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#1 2012-04-14 02:30:12

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Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

i think i let it to you before saying something - besides: the darker images are without ColorCorrection, the others with it.
All images had links. I over-exposed the lights one stop to see what happens in usual situation these days in spring when the light is rather brutal.

Ii would like to know some ideas what´s going on . . used anchors in every way btw.

best, Klaus

P.S.: "HDR Correction" instead of "LDR" can´t be activated. Choosing "LDR" indicates "Auto".

I can provide the 294 JPGs (small) zipped for donwload if somebody likes . . cool

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#2 2012-04-14 10:56:42

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

Hi Klaus
294 images ? Have you make bracketings ?
In other case, it's clear that APG can't really deal with this hard exposure differences.
Image 1 shows the reality ?
APG is magic but can't conjure smile


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#3 2012-04-14 14:28:24

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

lumelix wrote:

Hi Klaus
294 images ? Have you make bracketings ?
In other case, it's clear that APG can't really deal with this hard exposure differences.
Image 1 shows the reality ?
APG is magic but can't conjure smile

Hey Martin!

I know, the exposuring is extreme. But it´s not un-realistic. I didn´t do bracketing - i used a 105mm@f8, 20% overlap. That´s why it took 294 shots. I used JPG - that might be another problem - in small . . which is the reason for about 50000px instead of moren than 100000px
width (an 85mm provides 84000px using a fullframe camera).

Actually i´m exploring whether the 5D2 has some issues with this kind of exposuring - i mean i didn´t have that using my old 20D.
Maybe something in the internal processing of JPGs runs s bit wild . . i deactivated any kind of picturestyle in the camera of course.

Shooting RAW i also had this kind of uneven sky images, but not THIS heavy - the opera-scene: www.360impressions.de/Oper
(84000px width shot as RAW, 200pics, 20% overlap)

Georg kindly offered to try the JPGs - i´ll put them on my server in the afternoon.

I posted it here because o know there are lots of 5D2 users who also use APG.

best, Klaus
P.S.: the exposure was ONE stop over. Usually that´s not such a big problem at ISO 100 or 200 that it´s impssible to render.

But really: maybe the camera has an issue here - i´d like to pin the issue down in each direction.

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#4 2012-04-14 14:44:51

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

Hi Klaus
You show us in image one or three the real world with no color correction.
When you shoot manually with fixed exposure time, then the light have cange several times, most in the shadows.
When light haven changed so much, perhaps the is an issue with the shutter ?


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#5 2012-04-14 15:10:14

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

lumelix wrote:

Hi Klaus
You show us in image one or three the real world with no color correction.
When you shoot manually with fixed exposure time, then the light have cange several times, most in the shadows.
When light haven changed so much, perhaps the is an issue with the shutter ?

Hi Martin!

The light was constant, the shutter works perfectly - i had it checked on thursday by a camera-mechanic, who also cleaned the sensor.
That was before i shot this pictures.

I always use anything set to manual on the camera. No Automatics at all. I measured a point of average light - usually, with RAW, i would have
stopped down after that to have the highlights safe and would light up the shadows a bit (!) in the RAW converter.

best, Klaus

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#6 2012-04-14 17:04:59

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

If somebody wants to try:


Download: www.klausesser.de/JPG_Test.zip (352MB)

It´s the original JPG_small size - i didn´t want to change it to exclude issues by scaling.

best, Klaus


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#7 2012-04-14 18:43:02

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

klausesser wrote:

If somebody wants to try:


Download: www.klausesser.de/JPG_Test.zip (352MB)

It´s the original JPG_small size - i didn´t want to change it to exclude issues by scaling.

best, Klaus

correct link:

http://www.klausesser.de/JPG_Test/Need_Hof_14_04.zip
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Georg

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#8 2012-04-14 19:38:40

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

gkaefer wrote:

klausesser wrote:

If somebody wants to try:


Download: www.klausesser.de/JPG_Test.zip (352MB)

It´s the original JPG_small size - i didn´t want to change it to exclude issues by scaling.

best, Klaus

correct link:

http://www.klausesser.de/JPG_Test/Need_Hof_14_04.zip
cool
Georg

Oops - sorry!! big_smile

In the meantime i learned that Canon might have some funny processing of JPGs in the camera. Instead of leaving overexposed areas in images white - as it should be - they make them grey . . . force them to have a tone.
I´m afraid that happened here. Because i rarely use JPG - and if so they´re not heavy overexposed - i must confess i didn´t know that. I guess APG´s ColorCorrection is forced to do things then it doesn´t like at all . . . cool

The fact is: overexposing in my images was about a value of max. 1,5-2. Basically a region which must be handled without such extremely strong issues i guess. But: this is JPG . . . mad

I´m glad to having it tested before i start a new series on monday - where i definitely need to use JPG for bracketing in two sites. So i must care not to have overexposed areas in the images.

thank you for helping, Georg and Martin!

best, Klaus

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#9 2012-04-14 19:58:04

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

funny. each project seems to be a voyage of discovery big_smile
but we will conquer also this continent sad

I played first with your project loading the .pano file by changinging the color anchor points for indifidual images. This helps for top right sky images to equalize the differences. no satisfying results yet.

than I started to load the images to a new project. because no exif available the defaults of 50mm were used on my apg
I detected it without color correction and used gigapixel preset because more than 100 images used.
the result was a top side down and left-right mirrored pano (with no anormal results, all colors looked like in my second try). after using the rotation tool rotate left twice I got following result in screenshot the top result. so a wrong focal length used creates such result?
again: this triangle pattern was not there before using the rotation tool (2x for 180" rotation)
than I did the same again by using 105mm and f8 manually setting for the images. result is in sceenshot after 2x rotation left the bottom pano...
... here I will try the next steps (in some hours)

positivley surpised me that I did not used any xml file for importing the images and only some view images were misplaced. '(still unresolved in my screenshot)

Georg

EDIT1: if I use the left rotation tool I get result from screenshot. BUT If I use the right rotation tool twice instead I do get a correct result!!! reproducable on my side!


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#10 2012-04-14 20:58:47

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

gkaefer wrote:

but we will conquer also this continent sad

YES - BECAUSE WE CAN! big_smilecool

best to you, Klaus


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#11 2012-04-14 21:21:55

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

Hi Georg
Check the cooling solution of your GTX260 smile
With zero load, the temperature should be around 40 degrees. Maybe some dust in the cooler.


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#12 2012-04-14 22:24:55

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

lumelix wrote:

Hi Georg
Check the cooling solution of your GTX260 smile
With zero load, the temperature should be around 40 degrees. Maybe some dust in the cooler.

thats easily possible. last time i opened it is more than one year ago...
... will have a look.
Georg

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#13 2012-04-14 23:09:04

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

gkaefer wrote:

last time i opened it is more than one year ago...

Guess then you might have some bugs who live in the cooler . . tonguecool

best, Klaus


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#14 2012-04-17 17:32:36

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

@ Klaus: that would made some more crispy noise under the desk big_smile

Martin,
THAAAAANKS for going OFFTOPIC here - Sorry Klaus ;-) - but Martin did save some years of lifetime here !!!

AFTER CLEANING my 3 coolers inside I've constant 53" Celsius for my GPU and if I switch off the 15cm behind the cooler sitting 1m2 radiator (which is still on here...) than its falling to 46" degrees Celsius. but than my tooth are so loud rattling... ok winter temps will finally go away even here in Austria...

Liebe Grüße,
Georg

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#15 2012-04-18 00:26:05

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Re: Sorry for bringing up this issue again:

Hi Georg
You're welcome ! Set a date for next cleaning wink


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