Destiny wrote:Personally, I hate the fact icons like the Papy Wizard Export are so hidden from view.. There is a stack of space on the menu where it could be made more visual, with a nice wizard hat icon perhaps... This is truly a KEY features of APG so I believe it should be made more visually apparent.. This new feature without a doubt will be a huge assistance to many users who are not using a robotic head, where the xml code is automatically generated, therefore it would benefit those users greatly. To be honest, it should have been part of APG years ago..
Destiny...
Destiny wrote:Hi Georg..
Its here.. Fantastic if you use a Nodal Ninja with lots of sky or featureless plain walls.. Add your images, detect and then export the Papywizard then re-add your images using the Papywizard xml... I asked for this feature and AlexJ made it happen.. You will find it will make a difference, which you will notice in your detection quality..
All I have done is requested that this feature has its own icon on that tool bar... a little wizard hat perhaps..![]()
Destiny..
gkaefer wrote:Destiny wrote:Hi Georg..
Its here.. Fantastic if you use a Nodal Ninja with lots of sky or featureless plain walls.. Add your images, detect and then export the Papywizard then re-add your images using the Papywizard xml... I asked for this feature and AlexJ made it happen.. You will find it will make a difference, which you will notice in your detection quality..
All I have done is requested that this feature has its own icon on that tool bar... a little wizard hat perhaps..![]()
Destiny..
ok have it toonever saw it before ....
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but to be honest I dont see the value of this Feature:
youve a Project with 5000 Images, 1000 such sky or water or other ugly (because ugly dam hard to stitch them without XML files) surfaces Images.
IF you do have an XML file coming from papywizard Software or from from your panohead.... your're on the smile side of life... load XML & Images and stitching....
but you have no XML file, you have to manually move the Images, detect the pano so all Images are somehow more or less precise on correct place....
you now use this Export to papy Option to generate a Fitting XML file you can use... by opening new Project using papy Import XML wizzard loading the original Image so apg can detect the pano again with now more precise results?
this makes no sense at all... it is still time consuming because Ive still to manually place the Images to fit somehow before a pattern is established that can be exported in form of papy XML file.... if I do this I can invest some more decades of hours to place the Images more perfect and I can save the additional Project Import of Images and detection...
Georg
Destiny wrote:since I really do not understand how to run Papywizard in simulation mode or what I need to have to achieve this...
Destiny..
Destiny wrote:I do not think it works with Mac Andrew.. So.. thank goodness for the new Papywizard export in APG 3.5..![]()
Now I just need a nice icon....![]()
Destiny...
Destiny wrote: As Andrew says, you could use the xml from your stitching pattern that produced a good result
klausesser wrote:Destiny wrote: As Andrew says, you could use the xml from your stitching pattern that produced a good result
For precisely doing what?
Klaus
mediavets wrote:klausesser wrote:Destiny wrote: As Andrew says, you could use the xml from your stitching pattern that produced a good result
For precisely doing what?
Klaus
For assisting with the location of 'featureless' images when shooting with a manual pano head.
gkaefer wrote:
but this is a hen and egg prob...
if I use a lot of featureless Images with no XML file. and I load the Images & detect the pano ... it will fail to place the featureless Images... in more or less cases. so in result I do get a nonperfect pattern detected. so now exporting the XML file is useless. I've to manually move the Images to more or less correct place. than I can Export the XML file .... but at this Point I did invest already a lot of work and time to place the Images to correct place.... so why should I throwh all away to restart again with the still not perfect pattern containing XML file....
Georg
mediavets wrote:klausesser wrote:Destiny wrote: As Andrew says, you could use the xml from your stitching pattern that produced a good result
For precisely doing what?
Klaus
For assisting with the location of 'featureless' images when shooting with a manual pano head.
klausesser wrote:But what i meant: the manual head needs to meet the geometical values in the xml very precsiely.
Klaus
mediavets wrote:klausesser wrote:But what i meant: the manual head needs to meet the geometical values in the xml very precsiely.
Klaus
Does it?
mediavets wrote:Then you export the XML from that for use with different image sets shot using the same camera/lens and shooting pattern.
klausesser wrote:mediavets wrote:Then you export the XML from that for use with different image sets shot using the same camera/lens and shooting pattern.
Of course! But: as long as the manual head reproduces the adjustment very precisely each time: you also can save a template
for not needing to have the stitcher looking for CPs each time again. Pano-photographers do that for quite a long time.
The major difference: you can use this PW-xml export in other stitchers too - as long as they can read it . .![]()
Exporting PW-xml should be fine to have a manual head do the same as a motorized head with xml export . . which means that
the manual head mechanically needs to meet the mathematical values in the xml precisely enough (which a motorized head of high accuracy does).
That´s what i said.
Klaus
mediavets wrote:klausesser wrote:mediavets wrote:Then you export the XML from that for use with different image sets shot using the same camera/lens and shooting pattern.
Of course! But: as long as the manual head reproduces the adjustment very precisely each time: you also can save a template
for not needing to have the stitcher looking for CPs each time again. Pano-photographers do that for quite a long time.
The major difference: you can use this PW-xml export in other stitchers too - as long as they can read it . .![]()
Exporting PW-xml should be fine to have a manual head do the same as a motorized head with xml export . . which means that
the manual head mechanically needs to meet the mathematical values in the xml precisely enough (which a motorized head of high accuracy does).
That´s what i said.
Klaus
AFAIK by default APP/APG uses the XML positioning data as a guide to positioning the images, it also uses CP detection plus optimisation it does not stick rigidly to the XML image co-ordinates.
So IMO the manual head need not be as precise as the most precise robotic mounts.
I would vcenture to say that no manual head can reproduce a set of image co-ordinates precisely from shoot to shoot, nor can most robotic mounts; nor is it essential unless one is aiming for (batch) stitching without CP detection.
360Precision claims this is possible with some of their manual heads along with PTGui templates but some experts disagree.
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