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Panogear for astro photography?

by nidrig » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:40 pm

Hi,

I couldn't find the answer in the previous posts..so I ask it here:

Can the panogear be used for astro photography? I would like to shoot night sky panorama. The panogear will handle the pano part, but will it handle the long exposure? What I mean is that, will the head keep moving to follow the earth rotation? I know that the Merlin head was supposed to do just that when it was built, but I don't know if it's now possible as it has been customized for panography.

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by aaronpriest » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:12 pm

I'd like to know this too! I think it would require something like this to be accurate enough for long exposures though:
http://www.ursaminor.hu/bluetooth_interface_en.html

I never could get mine to interface with Stellarium.

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by fma38 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:23 am

At least, Papywizard does not handle this application; triggering shutter is only done after a move, not during a move...

But if you use the original hand controller (which comes with the Panogear as with Merlin/Orion), you can still use the original features.
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by nidrig » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:14 pm

Hi,

So, if I understand correctly; the panogear can be used either for panorama photography, either for astrophotography, but not both at the same time?

Thanks.

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by klausesser » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:56 pm

nidrig wrote:Hi,

So, if I understand correctly; the panogear can be used either for panorama photography, either for astrophotography, but not both at the same time?

Thanks.

The Panogear can - but you need two different controllers. It´s sold as a device for photography.

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by claudevh » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:02 pm

Hello Nidrig,

All is depending of what you understand as "astrophotography" ...
In principle "astrophotography" is :

"Astrophotography is a specialized type of photography that entails recording images of astronomical objects and large areas of the night sky"

The answer to your question according the above definition is YES !

But you must in this case use the hand controler delivered with the Panogear/Merlin head.

Papywizard can help you to shoot some night photography and or night timelapse ...

Have a look on the next subjetc:
http://www.kolor.com/forum/f42-timelapse-and-related-applications

and some real exemples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nenmhAEjFHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRv7U-cTDow
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Re: Panogear for astro photography?

by Photo-Web » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:35 pm

Hello,

I try to use the Panogear with the hand controller and I choose speed 1 (Documentation says 1 rotation in 24hour). But in fact, the speed was 1 rotation in 5'. So, it'snt possible to use Panogear as astrophotography. Don't know what Kolor change...

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Re: Panogear for astro photography?

by claudevh » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:12 pm

Herafter a exemple of a "Night/Day" timelapse wich has been done with a Merlin head ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0pQ9GJXQuY
In this video, most of the Night timelapse is realized at "sidereal speed"
Have a look on the comments of AirPlay...

To enter sidereal speed (speed 1), you must use Speed 1 BUT with "traking" activated !
Please have a look on page 8 of the manual:
http://www.papymerlin.com/app/download/1719271916/TeleTrack+9441+Rev+C.pdf?t=1245361296

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Re: Panogear for astro photography?

by Mateusz Malinowski » Sat May 03, 2014 9:02 am

Hi
anyone tested skysafari with panogear + pappymerlin bluetooth (connected directly without goto hand controller)? I can't connect. Probably papymerlin is not supported.
http://skysafariastronomy.com/products/ ... index.html

But ... here are compatibile scopes http://www.southernstars.com/products/s ... ntrol.html and is described "SkyWatcher mounts with SynScan controllers" Maybe that is the problem.
I connect papymerlin as usually - directly to panogear, but I have also synscan goto controller.
Can I connect goto hand controller to panogear and papymerlin to hand controller like here viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16056 (note it is not papymerlin)?
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Re: Panogear for astro photography?

by mediavets » Sat May 03, 2014 9:41 am

I think you may need a Buetooth-RS232 device, rather than the Papymerlin which is a Bluetooth-TTL device.

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Re: Panogear for astro photography?

by leifs » Sat May 03, 2014 10:19 am

I have been looking for a way to shoot the milky way and may end up buying this device
http://www.vixenoptics.com/mounts/polarie.html
It's yet another device =( but it's made for this purpose :)

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Re: Panogear for astro photography?

by claudevh » Sat May 03, 2014 3:52 pm

The Polarie is a good choice ... :cool:

If you can also find a Synscan Hand Controler for the Merlin/Panogear, this will do the job too but this is also expensive (+/- 190Euros) and VERY difficult to find one with the right Merlin/Panogear connector:
exemple :
http://www.astroshop.eu/controls-with-goto/skywatcher-synscan-goto-handcontroller/p,8364

Claude

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Re: Panogear for astro photography?

by claudevh » Sat May 03, 2014 5:15 pm

Last minute update ..

Just coming out ...
A Android application "SkySafari 4 plus just come out"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simulationcurriculum.skysafari4plus
This one is normaly able to control the Merlin/Panogear via Bluetooth or Wifi.
I will install and test with the Merlin and the PapyMerlin BT module ...
I will come back in 2-3 days with practical results.
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Re: Panogear for astro photography?

by claudevh » Sun May 04, 2014 11:37 am

Hello Leif,

Do-you have the hand controler of the Merlin/Panogear ?

Wich one ?
-the small one
-the Az Syinscan (big one with small screen ?

You have simple way to take pictures of the MilkyWay (just with your camera), the only condition is to limit the pose to 30 Sec maximum !
See the next link:
https://improvephotography.com/5955/how-to-photograph-the-milky-way/
or more in details:
http://www.lonelyspeck.com/how-to-make-an-amazing-photo-of-the-milky-way-galaxy/
http://www.lonelyspeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/nightscapes-quick-guide.pdf

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Re: Panogear for astro photography?

by leifs » Mon May 05, 2014 9:18 pm

Hi

No, I don't have the hand controller.
I have a Merlin stoved away with the bluetooth adapter from the time I tried to use it with a Nokia N900. I gave up and bought me a Seitz VRdrive2.
The VRdrive is superb but it can't do astrophotography (afaik).

I'm also gearing up for the total solar eclipse on Ferøyane 20th march 2015 :)
Polarie can do that too.

Leif

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Re: Panogear for astro photography?

by Mateusz Malinowski » Sat May 10, 2014 11:42 am

claudevh wrote:I will install and test with the Merlin and the PapyMerlin BT module ...
I will come back in 2-3 days with practical results.


Claude - did you test it?

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Re: Panogear for astro photography?

by claudevh » Sat May 10, 2014 3:18 pm

Yes Mateusz but I get problems ...
The program say "BT connexion is established, but the head doesn't respond to the program".
I suspect some wiring problems with the BT module who use a unique wire for the TX and RX signals ... (half duplex communication)
This give no problems with Papywizard and PandroidWiz.
I should take some time to modify the BT wiring of my PapyMerlin BT, but I have no this time at the moment...

Sorry, I will come back with some results when availlable.

Claude


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