klausesser wrote:marzipano wrote:HansKeesom wrote:I have good experience with real photographers that I teach panorama-photography. They bring so much knowlegde to the equation that once they've learned how to make a panorama they combine that knowledge with what they already know about light, composition etc.
Your last sentence is what I see more and more and am building my business on. Photographers realise that they can't do everything themselves if they don't want to spend a lot of time learning the stitching technique. As long as I return them a good quality panorama and sometimes layers, they can see the win-win situation. Together with some hosting and ICT and integration support this works fine for both parties
I'm sure that's very true but the point I was making is that people who go to the trouble of posting ON HERE with their APG stitching problems are very likely to want to know how they could improve their technique not just hand it all over for someone else to solve with no feedback
Right - but when you buy a car you need to learn how to drive. When you start to shoot panoramas it´s the same. Doing panoramas means to know or to learn at least two things:
1) how to shoot.
2) how to stitch.
Expecting everything to go automated is a bit blue-eyed. In the end it´s photography, as said. If the way of shooting isn´t appropriate - it´s either impossible to achieve a good stitch or
it needs WAYS of work to compensate faults which would have been avoidable with more basical understanding the shooting-process.
When issues rise one needs to know where they come from to compensate them. Here we again have TWO things which need to be understood:
1) photography
2) stitching.
Some people say they don´t want to learn the basics. Ok - their decision. But it means to need asking for help each time an issue rises - without learning that most of the issues are connected
to each other that means permanently asking for help.
So when a photographer doesn´t know about perspective, distortions, the way different focal-legths act in terms of stitching, shooting distances related to focal-lengths and so on he/she inavaoidably will run into issues.
Even the best post-pro guy or gal not always will be able to make a faulty shoot a perfect stitch.
Amen.:cool:
best, Klaus
HansKeesom wrote:Yes you need to understand how to make the photos for a panorama. So all that stuf about nodal point and zenith and nadir and stacks and how to choose the middle exposure and white balance........
HansKeesom wrote:More importantly however, even if they would teach themselves how to stitch and buy enough computer power, they sometimes prefer to spend their time meeting their potential customers and discussing exiting new projects instead of pixel peeping behind a computer ;-)
HansKeesom wrote:Klaus,
In the history of the economy we have seen many examples of specialisation that allowed people to be more productive and earn more wealth.
HansKeesom wrote:Important is to decide where one can do the right cut when splitting an job in two.
marzipano wrote:I'm sure that's very true but the point I was making is that people who go to the trouble of posting ON HERE with their APG stitching problems are very likely to want to know how they could improve their technique not just hand it all over for someone else to solve with no feedback
As an outsourcing arrangement for busy professional photographers, that is a different situation and I'm sure you provide a valuable service
best
Martin
Track wrote:OT: I have tested Hand's method and it works - when you only place the two photos in AutoPano, there's no stitching error. However, when stitching all the photos, the problem persists.
HansKeesom wrote:Track wrote:OT: I have tested Hand's method and it works - when you only place the two photos in AutoPano, there's no stitching error. However, when stitching all the photos, the problem persists.
Well I must have missed that........only two photos were available so I stitched them.
Can you dropbox me all files so that I can reproduce the error and then find a solution for your problem. Share a folder with hans@alsofjeerbent.nl
Track wrote:Which begs the question - why are they even on this forum? Help forums exist solely for the purpose of getting a heads up and fixing a problem without having to read the entire guide. They're either in the wrong place or they don't realize that the real reason they're here is to show off and feel superior..
con wrote:Young man, you need to create control points between the adjoining photos, and then optimize.
Track wrote:You know, I honestly dislike coming here anymore when I am certain to run into an elitist "professional" photographer (literally) three times my age who'd rather preach to me than help me.
con wrote:And having a dig at people because of their age is spectacularly shortsighted
Young man, you need to create control points between the adjoining photos, and then optimize.
klausesser wrote:Intelligent people make mistakes - all of them - and then *learn* about the *reasons* the mistakes happened for avoiding them next time.
klausesser wrote:You don´t - you said it - want to *learn* about *why* you made a mistake. You want to be taken by the hand and have your fault corrected
klausesser wrote:Your business - not mine.
klausesser wrote:What does my age - or anybody´s age - have to do with that? I learned - and i still learn
klausesser wrote:. . and i´m glad being able to pass on the knowledge to others. Which i did many times here - to be honest.
klausesser wrote:That´s the way it works. Childish behavior doesn´t work at all.
klausesser wrote:This is a forum to (!)discuss(!) and (!)communicate(!) about APG and PTP. Us "old agers":cool: are glad - i said it - to help others. And that´s usually working good! Any time you help somebody you learn more and more for yourself.
klausesser wrote:But sometimes - we had it before - some people seem to feel "offended" already by hearing the truth - and the truth is: they simply made mistakes. They feel even more "offended" by being asked to *learn* from their mistakes
and why they occurred.
klausesser wrote:I really don´t need to "show off and feel superior" - superior to whom??? You?
Artisan New wrote:con wrote:Young man, you need to create control points between the adjoining photos, and then optimize.
An if that does not work first time, do it again, and again and again......made a pano with a motorized mount with shifting light and fog, haze, dust, spray (from anti-dust sprayers used about 200 meters under me)......it all in all took 12 hours of work to get it to a stage that I (< as in me) like it. What our young brash freind is asking is an easy fix, but easy fixes are not a part of the panorama shooting world. You are asking a camera to do something it was not intended for using software. That means you're in hardhat land no matter how great Kolor (or PTGui for that matter since I own both) build their software there will always be problems (we like to call them challanges). If you're prepared to deal with them and shave on your technique through a thing called experience....be my guest. If not well bugger of will you since quite frankly, easy fixes sometimes work but most of the time they kick you in the nuts elsewhere in the panorama. "yes now the fence stitches, but now the rest of panorama drops apart".....and if nothing else helps:
- use photoshop and correct the stitch error manually using some localised stretching, pulling and cloning, but as Klaus will surely say (ifhe's still reading this thread)....if you have to resort to that, update your technique......again, and again, and again.
Greets, Ed.
mediavets wrote:Enough...this thread is going nowhere.
klausesser wrote:mediavets wrote:Enough...this thread is going nowhere.
You name it.
Klaus
Track wrote:If what I need to have done cannot be done without having the background information, I'll accept that answer.
klausesser wrote:Track wrote:If what I need to have done cannot be done without having the background information, I'll accept that answer.
Funny - that´s what i´m telling you for hours . . but i don´t have a feel you accept it.
Klaus
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