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360 / 180 Panorama with Nikon D3200

by PanoFab » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:05 pm

Hi,

i just bought the Panogear. Now i wanna do a 360/180 Virtal Tour with my Nikon D3200 with Tamron 18-200 mm Lens.

Can someone please send me the Preset?

THANKS!

Greets

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by Christian Stüben » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:49 pm

PanoFab wrote:Hi,

i just bought the Panogear. Now i wanna do a 360/180 Virtal Tour with my Nikon D3200 with Tamron 18-200 mm Lens.

Can someone please send me the Preset?

THANKS!

Greets

You can simply make it yourself, it takes you only a few mouseclicks:

http://www.wackel3d.de/shootpatterngenerator.aspx

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by PanoFab » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:57 pm

Oh ein Deutscher :) Vielen Dank für die Antwort. Irgendwie komme ich nicht damit klar. Ist es mit meiner Hardware überhaupt mà¶glich ein 360 / 180 Panorama zu erstellen? Und Wie muss der Panogear auf "null" gestellt werden?

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by mediavets » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:58 pm

PanoFab wrote:i just bought the Panogear. Now i wanna do a 360/180 Virtal Tour with my Nikon D3200 with Tamron 18-200 mm Lens.

Look out for zoom and/or focus creep at higher positive and negative picth angles.
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by Christian Stüben » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:17 pm

PanoFab wrote:Oh ein Deutscher :) Vielen Dank für die Antwort. Irgendwie komme ich nicht damit klar. Ist es mit meiner Hardware überhaupt mà¶glich ein 360 / 180 Panorama zu erstellen? Und Wie muss der Panogear auf "null" gestellt werden?

Der Panogrear wird automatisch auf Null gestellt, wenn Papywizard gestartet wir. Sollte die Gradanzeige dennoch nach einigem Probieren / Handverstellen daneben liegen, gibt es in Papywizard einen Menüeintrag zum Nullstellen.

zum Mustergenerator:
Sind Dir die Bildwinkel von Objektiv/Kamera bekannt, einfach in den Feldern "Bildwinkel Horizontal / Vertikal" eintragen und auf den Button "Generieren" klicken. Feddich.

Ansonsten die gewünschte Brennweite im Feld weiter oben eintragen, Sensorgrà¶àŸe wà¤hlen, "Bildwinkel berechnen" oder "Hochformat" klicken. Und dann trotzdem noch auf Generieren klicken. Das generierte Muster muàŸt Du in der Datei presets.xml (im Programmordner von Papywizard, common, zu finden).

WICHTIG: vorher eine Backupkopie der presets machen.

Die Einstellung "Arm Linksseitig" in Papywizard VORSICHTIG nutzen, teilweise bei vertikalen Schritten unter 8 Grad fà¤ngt der Kopf an, endlos zu rotieren.

Wo genau kommst Du denn her?

mfg Chris


ps.: bevor ich es vergesse, der Mustergenerator ist nicht kostenlos. Sollte Dir das Muster helfen, kostet es Dich eine Spende zugunsten eine wohltà¤tigen Organisation Deiner Wahl.
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by Christian Stüben » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:29 pm

Ach ja, was Mediavet noch angesprochen hat ... Lenscreep *1) ist Dir ein Begriff? Nikon/Canon sind gleichermaàŸen betroffen. Solltest Du bei Zoomobjektiven beachten. Dagegen hilft schon ein etwas breiteres Gummiband.

mfg Chris

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by PanoFab » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:42 pm

ich bin überfordert... -.- kann mir keiner ein fertiges preset geben?

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by Christian Stüben » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:49 pm

PanoFab wrote:ich bin überfordert... -.- kann mir keiner ein fertiges preset geben?

Was hat Deine Kamera denn für eine Sensorgrà¶àŸe? Kleinbild, APS-C, DX, fourthird?

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by PanoFab » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:53 pm

APS-C

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by PanoFab » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:18 pm

Muss ich für ein 360 / 180 grad Panorama ZWINGEND den Nodalpunkt treffen? Das ist wegen meines Objektives nà¤mlich nicht zu 100% mà¶glich.

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by Christian Stüben » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:20 pm

PanoFab wrote:APS-C

das in der presets.xml einsetzen, feddich.

VOR dem Real-Einsatz einen Testlauf machen, ich garantiere nicht dafür daàŸ die àœberlappung überall vollstà¤ndig ist.

mfg Chris

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Antriebsarm rechtsseitig
vom Zenit zum Nadir
Bewegungseinschrà¤nkung von oben 90° bis unten -90°.
Querformat
Nikon D3200 mit Tamron 18-200 bei 18mm
created by www.wackel3d.de (slash) shootpatterngenerator.aspx
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by Christian Stüben » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:23 pm

PanoFab wrote:Muss ich für ein 360 / 180 grad Panorama ZWINGEND den Nodalpunkt treffen? Das ist wegen meines Objektives nà¤mlich nicht zu 100% mà¶glich.

Wenn Dir unbehebbare Paralaxfehler egal sind, dann nicht :P

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by PanoFab » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:32 pm

Vielen Dank. Kamera im Querformat? Habe Sie jetzt im Hochformat.

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by mediavets » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:35 pm

Christian Stüben wrote:Ansonsten die gewünschte Brennweite im Feld weiter oben eintragen, Sensorgrà¶àŸe wà¤hlen, "Bildwinkel berechnen" oder "Hochformat" klicken. Und dann trotzdem noch auf Generieren klicken. Das generierte Muster muàŸt Du in der Datei presets.xml (im Programmordner von Papywizard, common, zu finden).

WICHTIG: vorher eine Backupkopie der presets machen.

Adding the custom preset to this presets.xml file will make it permanently available.

You can instead just store the custom xml file(s) separately anywhere on the file system with any filename.xml and load it on a per session basis using the File/Import preset file... command.
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by PanoFab » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:48 pm

im querformat bin ich den nodalpunkt noch weiter entfernt wenn ich in der neigung volle 180 grad erreichen will

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by PanoFab » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:17 pm

Sooooooooooooo.... ich habe mir auf Basis deines ersten Presets eines gemacht mit Hochformat! 360 / 180 grad hat perfekt geklappt aber wie gesagt ich hab versatz im bild. Also diese Paralaxfehler . Angenommen ich würde mir ein 8mm Fischeye Objektiv kaufen, wà¤ren die Fehler dann weg? Was ist eigentlich mit Autofokus? Vorher fokussieren und dann auf Manuel schalten, richtig? Puhh Fragen über fragen. Anfà¤nger halt :)

P.S: ich spende gerne!

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by klausesser » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:21 pm

PanoFab wrote:Angenommen ich würde mir ein 8mm Fischeye Objektiv kaufen, wà¤ren die Fehler dann weg?

Auch das würde Dich einer *korrekten* Justage auf den NPP nicht entheben . . . .

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by mediavets » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:22 pm

PanoFab wrote:Sooooooooooooo.... ich habe mir auf Basis deines ersten Presets eines gemacht mit Hochformat! 360 / 180 grad hat perfekt geklappt aber wie gesagt ich hab versatz im bild. Also diese Paralaxfehler . Angenommen ich würde mir ein 8mm Fischeye Objektiv kaufen, wà¤ren die Fehler dann weg? Was ist eigentlich mit Autofokus? Vorher fokussieren und dann auf Manuel schalten, richtig? Puhh Fragen über fragen. Anfà¤nger halt :)

P.S: ich spende gerne!

You can shoot 360x180 panoramas with any camera and lens.

The higher the resolution of the senor and the longer the focal length then the higher the resolution of the stitched panorama.

You need to decide what final pano resolution will meet your requirements and then find a combination of lens and camera body that will produce that when the pano is stitched.

The longer the focal length the more images will be required to cover 360x180 FOV, and the longer the shoot will take to complete, this can make shoots more challenging if there is any movement in the scene or lighting conditions are changing quickly. It also makes stiching and post-processing the pano much more challenging. Longer focal length also mean shallower depths of field.

Using fisheye lenses significantly reduces the number of images required to cover a 360x180 pano FOV. However, unless shooting from a pole, a motorized pano head offers little, if any, advantage if shooting with a fisheye lens. A manual pano head will typically be as quick and convenient to use and will have a smaller nadir footprint.

When shooting 360x180 panos - or partial panos with a pano FOV of less than 360x180 - it's essential to position your camera/lens at the NPP unless there's nothing in the scene closer than about 100 metres.

The Panogear/Merlin mount is quite limited in the adjustments that are possible to enable you to position a camera/lens at the NPP. There is no built-in adjustmenet on the horizontal axis of rotation and the height of the vertical arm limits positioning on the pitch axis of rotation.

If the dimension between the base of the camera body and the centre of the lens mount is more than about 40mm (or the diameter of the lens barrel is more than about 80mm) then you will not be able to mount the camera in portrait orientation at the NPP regadless of the focal and physical length of the lens without modifying the dovetail clamp and /or the rail.
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by Christian Stüben » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:52 pm

mediavets wrote:When shooting 360x180 panos - or partial panos with a pano FOV of less than 360x180 - it's essential to position your camera/lens at the NPP unless there's nothing in the scene closer than about 100 metres.

I have done my first pano without pano robot or nodal mounting, it has been done with a simple tripod head for cine purpose *1). Everything in the pano has been at distances much farer than 100 metres. And there are still stitching errors left after hours and hours of manual optimizing control points and manual masking of erraneus areas.

No chance, even with distant objects.

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by mediavets » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:16 pm

Christian Stüben wrote:I have done my first pano without pano robot or nodal mounting, it has been done with a simple tripod head for cine purpose *1). Everything in the pano has been at distances much farer than 100 metres. And there are still stitching errors left after hours and hours of manual optimizing control points and manual masking of erraneus areas.

No chance, even with distant objects.

What lens did you use?

Was this a 360x180 or a partial pano?
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by Christian Stüben » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:45 am

mediavets wrote:
Christian Stüben wrote:I have done my first pano without pano robot or nodal mounting, it has been done with a simple tripod head for cine purpose *1). Everything in the pano has been at distances much farer than 100 metres. And there are still stitching errors left after hours and hours of manual optimizing control points and manual masking of erraneus areas.

No chance, even with distant objects.

What lens did you use?

Was this a 360x180 or a partial pano?

It was a partial pano, using my 5DM2, and the 24-105 4 IS @105. Ooops, or has it been the 2.8 100 IS Macro? I dont remember. The first pano i ever did, completely unuseable tripod head, no experience, exactly what we in germany call "Lehrgeld bezahlen" :rolleyes:

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