RobSherratt wrote:The advice Klaus Esser kindly gave me is that XML positioning files are necessary for use with Autopano Pro or PTGui Pro in order to get the best possible results especially with Gigapixel HDR panos.
RobSherratt wrote:Hello Claude,
Thanks for your reply. My question is complex, but I hope you will be willing to help.
I ordered a SkyWatcher AllView head which comes with a new controller with comprehensive pano photography modes. It should be delivered some time in the next 4 weeks. The controller does not generate XML positioning files, and I know that Papywizard can do this in conjunction with the Merlin head.
The advice Klaus Esser kindly gave me is that XML positioning files are necessary for use with Autopano Pro or PTGui Pro in order to get the best possible results especially with Gigapixel HDR panos.
The XML generation remains static for particular configurations, and can be done "at home". The downside if I was to use Papywizard in the field, would be the cost and effort of buying a compatible handheld device, RS232-BT adapter etc.
a) the documentation I was hoping to find is a definition of the XML file format, plus correlation of the XML to the 3-axis position of the Merlin head and camera x-y view angles at the time a picture is taken.
b) can I provide a list of 3-axis positioning coordinates for input to Papywizard, allowing Papywizard to generate the XML?
I may be mistaken but as far as I know PTGui Pro cannot make use of Papywizard-compatible XML data files.
A Nokia N800 or N810 Internet tablet and the Deltawave PapyMerlin Bluetooth adapter wouldn't cost you that much.
You can find the file format here: http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/view/Panohead_XML_data_file
RobSherratt wrote:Are the Nokia tablets the only ones possible, or would e.g. a small Android tablet with BT be an alternative? Is there a list of tested devices / OS versions it works on?
I guess there's no App version for my iPhone or iPad on the way is there? ...
klausesser wrote:Generating xml always must be in combination with the real shooting. Doing a sphere it´s easy: here the positions depend only on the lens/sensor. But shooting Gigapixels usually you set a start- and an end-point - the positions in between are calculated then depending also on lens/sensor. But as said you need to define a start- and an end-point - which you don´t need with spheres.
PapyWizard runs on PC/Netbook/Notebook and on Nokia N800/810 (Linux). That´s it afaik.
I strongly suggest to think about a T&C handheld. But i don´t know whether it´s compatible to the Allview.
If it´s not i´m afraid the Allview is kind of dead-end regarding controlling - at least in Europe.
Another feature of SynScan AZ is the ability to connect to a computer via a serial communication cable. Many commercially available planetarium software programs can be used to control the mount. Any SynScan AZ hand control version 3.00 and later is compatible with the Celestron® NexStar™ 5i/8i and NexStar™ GPS command protocol.
RobSherratt wrote:Thanks for your reply. If I were to use the exact same "preset configuration" in Papywizard to take six different Gigapixel panoramas in six geographically different locations, won't the number of rows, number of images per row, and the XML data that is sent to Autopano pro be 100% identical for each of the six panoramas? I think Papywizard is generating XML data values by "dead reckoning" and that it's 100% repeatable if the user preset remains the same. If that is not the case, then what "real time" sensor inputs are taken into account?
Regards,
Rob
RobSherratt wrote:Can you point me to the control protocol definition for the Merlin head, and I'll check if they are identical?
RobSherratt wrote:Can you point me to the control protocol definition for the Merlin head, and I'll check if they are identical?
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RobSherratt wrote:wrote:
Can you point me to the control protocol definition for the Merlin head, and I'll check if they are identical?
Don´t know whether it can help you - here is a Panoneed/TC PapyWizard compatible xml from an 85mm lens on FX:
phill.butte wrote:I've done some more testing on the AllView head after receiving a KeySpan USB to RS232 Adapter today and I can report:
1. The TrippLite KeySpan Adapter USA-19HS will work with the AllView head using PapyWizard 2.1.20 on a Windows 7 Pro 32bit laptop.
2. You must download the Windows 7 KeySpan adapter drivers from the Tripplite website, the ones on the included CD are for earlier versions of Windows.
3. Versions of PapyWizard after 2.1.20 do not work with the AllView on Windows 7 Pro or Windows XP Pro, as soon as a mosaic starts the second row the pitch motor goes into an uncrolled spin.
4. The XML generated by PapyWizard is correctly recognized by PTGui pro and does a good on initial alignment. You will still need to do an "Align Images". But a least the sky/clouds come out good even if there are no control points.
Based on my testing I think I'll keep the AllView and not send it back. Now that I have it working on a laptop that has a couple hours of battery life and only weighs a few pounds, I think I prefer using PapyWizard versus using the native controller, even if it were to work correctly. Getting the images of the sky to line up when stitching saves me hours of adding manual control points on gigapixel panos.
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