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#226 2010-10-19 20:57:07

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

fma38 wrote:

Maybe you can also try to reduce the value below 1° (try 0°), so the first move goes too far, and the final goto will have to reverse the direction...

I'm reluctant to try this because of Claude's earlier reports that setting Inertia angle to less than 1 degree causes very erratic head movement:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p65162-20 … -57#p65162


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#227 2010-10-19 22:14:23

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

mediavets wrote:

fma38 wrote:

Maybe you can also try to reduce the value below 1° (try 0°), so the first move goes too far, and the final goto will have to reverse the direction...

I'm reluctant to try this because of Claude's earlier reports that setting Inertia angle to less than 1 degree causes very erratic head movement:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p65162-20 … -57#p65162

For real, DON'T set it to sub 1° values!  You head will go out of control and not stop moving sometimes.  If this is a pitch movement, you could easily damage the camera or head before you stopped it.  I accidentally set it too small and my head went crazy yikes

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#228 2010-10-19 22:44:43

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

I confirm what John ("jriley") said !!!
DON'T DO THAT !!!mad


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#229 2010-10-19 22:47:52

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

Thanks for the warnings.


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#230 2010-10-20 00:26:26

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

Was it with the latest release? I think this is something I fixed (I remember the bad test I was doing...). Or it may be only in the svn version, and didn't release it yet...

If you try it, just keep your finger on the power switch wink


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#231 2010-10-20 13:47:01

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

mamoo wrote:

All,Arigato gozaimasu.

I will not bother at all.
Rather, TouchCP Please improve due to slow things.
Panogear (FW 020681) & TouchCP (FW 2.0) are black box, so know nothing.

Thank you.

Hi mamoo!

Do you mean the T&C controller? It´s got nothing to do with PapyWizard besides of using the same xml-data-structure for importing and positioning images in APG.
The speed which the T&C controller provides is higher than the one using PW on a Nokia - but it can be still improved by a firmware-update of rthe head. Focal-lenghts longer than 105mm use only the "fine" modus becaus the distances are too small to change from "fast-to-fine" on every shot.
Below 105mm - at 85mm for example - it´s quite fast anyway.

So if you use longer than 105mm lenses you should upgrade your Merlin´s firmware.

I´m not sure you meant the T&C controller when you wrote "TouchCP" in combination with PapyWizard.

So IF you mean the T&C controller i can ask Josef (the developer) to hang in here - which would be a good idea anyway i mean . . cool

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#232 2010-10-20 13:53:17

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

klausesser wrote:

So IF you mean the T&C controller i can ask Josef (the developer) to hang in here - which would be a good idea anyway i mean . . cool

I suggest you open a new thread for the T&C related questions.


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#233 2010-10-20 14:02:16

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

fma38 wrote:

klausesser wrote:

So IF you mean the T&C controller i can ask Josef (the developer) to hang in here - which would be a good idea anyway i mean . . cool

I suggest you open a new thread for the T&C related questions.

The existing Panogear sub-topic would seem to be the appropriate place?
http://www.autopano.net/forum/f31-panogear


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#234 2010-10-20 16:19:50

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

fma38 wrote:

klausesser wrote:

So IF you mean the T&C controller i can ask Josef (the developer) to hang in here - which would be a good idea anyway i mean . . cool

I suggest you open a new thread for the T&C related questions.

Hi Frédéric, hi Andrew!

Yeah - but i still don´t know whether he means the T&C . . . cause we know he can´t controll it using PapyWizard, do we cool

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#235 2010-10-20 21:23:00

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

klausesser wrote:

fma38 wrote:

klausesser wrote:

So IF you mean the T&C controller i can ask Josef (the developer) to hang in here - which would be a good idea anyway i mean . . cool

I suggest you open a new thread for the T&C related questions.

Hi Frédéric, hi Andrew!

Yeah - but i still don´t know whether he means the T&C . . .

He does - or at least the version of it marketed by Kolor, and SkiVR, under the Panogear brand/banner.

There's no reason for such purchasers to be aware of the source (T&C - http://www.typeandcolour.de/ ) of the Touch Controller, the Lithium Ion battery power system or the custom dovetail rail.

So Mamoo is probably mystified by your reference to the T&C controller.


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#236 2010-10-20 21:55:52

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

mediavets wrote:

So Mamoo is probably mystified by your reference to the T&C controller.

Well - besides of course there´s being some kind of magic with me tonguecoolwink i never had a feeling of "mystifying" the T&C . . it´s just an always effortlessly working device. That´s all.
And it´s under constant observation and developement by Josef - and constantly getting updated by email.

Nevertheless that whole pano-thing isn´t as easy as many people think - and here it seems to be the biggest problem.

best, Klaus


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#237 2010-10-20 22:36:44

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

klausesser wrote:

mediavets wrote:

So Mamoo is probably mystified by your reference to the T&C controller.

Well - besides of course there´s being some kind of magic with me tonguecoolwink i never had a feeling of "mystifying" the T&C . . it´s just an always effortlessly working device. That´s all.

You've been the most effective person to date at de-mystifying the T&C (aka Panogear Touch Controller).Your recent post describing it made me think I might want one, for the first time.

And it´s under constant observation and developement by Josef - and constantly getting updated by email.

But how do the benefits of that constant development and so on reach Panogear Touch Controller customers?

Nevertheless that whole pano-thing isn´t as easy as many people think - and here it seems to be the biggest problem.

best, Klaus

You are soooo right there!


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#238 2010-10-21 11:44:09

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

Hi !

Mixup sorry.
T & C controller thread for the Upload:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t10293-si … controller

Thank you.


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#239 2010-10-21 15:44:25

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

mediavets wrote:

Your recent post describing it made me think I might want one, for the first time.

That´s what makes me so magic . . . winktongue

mediavets wrote:

But how do the benefits of that constant development and so on reach Panogear Touch Controller customers?

I guess contacting Kolor - but Josef also is quite communicative. Don´t know what Josef and Kolor agreed to handle this.

A problem is that he´s not the manufacturer of the head - he just developes and builds the controller. Though of course he has a good understanding of the head there may rise issues when the manufacturer of the head makes changes on motors or firmware and so.

A word on firmware-update on Merlin: afaik it works only via the merlin´s serial port - which is a very "special" one.
So you´d need an adapter to use either USB-->>Adapter-->>Merlin, SERIAL-->>Adapter-->>Merlin or    MAYBE a Bluetooth-->>Adapter-->>Merlin to run a firmware upgrade on Merlin.

Fact is: the new firmware - i guess it is "020 781" - makes the Merlin about 2-3 times faster!

BUT as mentioned before: how can customers feed the Merlin with that upgrade . .


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#240 2010-10-21 16:18:10

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

klausesser wrote:

mediavets wrote:

But how do the benefits of that constant development and so on reach Panogear Touch Controller customers?

I guess contacting Kolor - but Josef also is quite communicative. Don´t know what Josef and Kolor agreed to handle this.

A problem is that he´s not the manufacturer of the head - he just developes and builds the controller. Though of course he has a good understanding of the head there may rise issues when the manufacturer of the head makes changes on motors or firmware and so.

I think it needs to be sorted out and communicated to Panogear users/customers.

A word on firmware-update on Merlin: afaik it works only via the merlin´s serial port - which is a very "special" one.
So you´d need an adapter to use either USB-->>Adapter-->>Merlin, SERIAL-->>Adapter-->>Merlin or    MAYBE a Bluetooth-->>Adapter-->>Merlin to run a firmware upgrade on Merlin.

Fact is: the new firmware - i guess it is "020 781" - makes the Merlin about 2-3 times faster!

Does this performance gain apply when you control the Merlin from Papywizard too? Or only when using the Touch Controller?

BUT as mentioned before: how can customers feed the Merlin with that upgrade . .

There's a set of serial interface cables doing the rounds under Claude's management I believe. But that arrangement was really put in place for Merlin/Papywizard users with DIY systems.

Not sure where one would obtain/download that latest firmware from?

I hope that all current shipping Panogear Merlins have this latest firmware installed before shipping to customers?


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#241 2010-10-21 16:19:57

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

Hello Klaus,

Trials are ongoing for the upgrade of the Merlin to 02.07.81.
But this can only be done on Merlin V2 (not the V1)
The firmware update can be done without problems with the "circulating" USB to TTL adaptors (= wired connection) !!!


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#242 2010-10-21 16:45:39

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

claudevh wrote:

Hello Klaus,

Trials are ongoing for the upgrade of the Merlin to 02.07.81.
But this can only be done on Merlin V2 (not the V1)
The firmware update can be done without problems with the "circulating" USB to TTL adaptors (= wired connection) !!!

How does one identify whether a Merlin mount is V1 or V2?

IF a Merlin V2 has the 02.07.81 firmware do you get a significant performance improvement with Papywizard as well as with the Touch Controller? Do you still get the stepping effect when using Papywizard with long focal length lenses?

I see Klaus yet again repeated the claim on the T&C Web site that using the Lithium Ion batteries speeds up the Merlin by 20% - compared to using AA NiMH batties. Is this true? If it is how/why does it work/happen?


Andrew Stephens
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#243 2010-10-21 17:51:42

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

Hello Andrew and all others ...

Merlin V1 is name used for all Merlin with Firmware 01.##.##.
Those are equiped with a different Motor controler board (other Microprocessors then the V2)

Merlin V2 is used for all Merlin with Firmware 02.##.## (new Motor controler board with other Microprocessors then the V1)

We have get a warning from Synta (the manufacturer) to avoid the upgrade of Merlin V1 with Firmware  02.##.## and
"vice versa" !

Kolor and SkyVr are more and more in contact with the manufacturer and that's good for our community . smilesmilesmile

Be patients, stay tuned  !!! wink


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#244 2010-10-22 00:13:43

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

claudevh wrote:

Hello Klaus,

Trials are ongoing for the upgrade of the Merlin to 02.07.81.
But this can only be done on Merlin V2 (not the V1)
The firmware update can be done without problems with the "circulating" USB to TTL adaptors (= wired connection) !!!

Hi Claude!

Good! I didn´t know that. I guess i have an old version - bought it in 2007 i mean . .
Will check it.

Besides: i´m very pleased since the beginning of my using Merlin of the fine community that cares for features and problems around Merlin - a BIG, BIG thanks to all who contributed!

best, Klaus

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#245 2010-10-22 00:16:15

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

mediavets wrote:

Does this performance gain apply when you control the Merlin from Papywizard too? Or only when using the Touch Controller?

Don´t know!

best, Klaus


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#246 2010-10-22 00:19:50

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Re: Merlin does not center correctly when taking shots

I think it mainly improves the usage with Papywizard (GOTO function faster).

As T&C controller uses manual move (JOG), it can goes as fast as it wants... Except that it might be limited by the CPU (can't do the external closed loop positionning if it goes to fast).


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