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#1 2009-02-27 22:10:53

grapedrink
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Help, Autopano doing funny things?

I have some panoramas that I've tried to stitch that look perfectly fine in the preview window but when i render them they come out completely different, often with empty spaces in them or all kinds of mistakes or the bottom part of the image missing.. i don't think i changed any settings, anyone know how to fix this? i can stitch them fine with my old version of autostitch so there's no reason why autopano shouldn't be able to.. i'm using bicubic/smartblend which are the default settings right?

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#2 2009-02-27 22:50:24

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

Hi Grapedrink,

Good to see you back.

Try rendering with a different blender than smartblend (the simpler the better) and see how that works.  Smartblend has a mind of its own. smile

Also, try outputting a layered PSD file (if you have PS) and see what picture should be under the empty space.

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#3 2009-02-28 03:26:26

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

Screenshots screenshots screenshots :]

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#4 2009-03-01 23:29:32

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

I just don't get it, i reinstalled, restored defaults and i still get these messed up panoramas.. here's a link to a zip file containing four pictures and the garbled panorama i get, its 5mbs. http://www.mediafire.com/file/yhyyzztjljy/a.zip

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#5 2009-03-01 23:52:51

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

grapedrink wrote:

I have some panoramas that I've tried to stitch that look perfectly fine in the preview window but when i render them they come out completely different, often with empty spaces in them or all kinds of mistakes or the bottom part of the image missing.. i don't think i changed any settings, anyone know how to fix this? i can stitch them fine with my old version of autostitch so there's no reason why autopano shouldn't be able to.. i'm using bicubic/smartblend which are the default settings right?

this problem threw me for a loop when I first started to use APP, the problem turned out to be simply poor stitching.

look in the editor to the left, you should see notes from APP on the quality of the pano. If there's anything there that looks bad, like a bad link or a negative RMS, try to fix that. There's nothing to say that the rendered pano has to look as good as the prerender.

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#6 2009-03-02 00:12:24

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

touristguy87 wrote:

There's nothing to say that the rendered pano has to look as good as the prerender.

If it looks good in the editor it can´t look worse in the rendering. If it does you´re doing something wrong.


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#7 2009-03-02 00:24:25

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

ive never had problems before, ever, but suddenly now often things will look perfectly fine in the editor and come out completely garbled in the render or sometimes they'll be really stretched out in the editor too. in every case i load the files up in autostitch and theres no problem.. try downloading the file i have and stitching those four pictures together, do you get the same result as me? i really don't get it, app used to do everything autostitch did and then some (much more), but now for whatever reason, or whatever setting its completely useless..

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#8 2009-03-02 00:32:36

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

grapedrink wrote:

ive never had problems before, ever, but suddenly now often things will look perfectly fine in the editor and come out completely garbled in the render or sometimes they'll be really stretched out in the editor too. in every case i load the files up in autostitch and theres no problem.. try downloading the file i have and stitching those four pictures together, do you get the same result as me? i really don't get it, app used to do everything autostitch did and then some (much more), but now for whatever reason, or whatever setting its completely useless..

sorry, just tonight i haven´t my cristal ball with me - so please tell me soemthing about the lens and crop you used . . . would you? tonguecool

ok - i underestimated the geniosity of APP: it worked without those informations (and without EXIFs).
but it definetely can do better having infos about lens and crop.

Last edited by klausesser (2009-03-02 00:35:40)


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#9 2009-03-02 00:57:18

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

grapedrink wrote:

I just don't get it, i reinstalled, restored defaults and i still get these messed up panoramas.. here's a link to a zip file containing four pictures and the garbled panorama i get, its 5mbs. http://www.mediafire.com/file/yhyyzztjljy/a.zip

I didn't have a problem with it. I used APP1.4.2 on Windows 2000 on an old laptop to stitch and render.

Even with no EXIF data the result is OK, I think.

I tweaked the CPs a little, but even the initial auto stitch was acceptable.

Rendered with spline36 interpolator and Smartblend.

What detection settings did you use?


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Last edited by mediavets (2009-03-02 01:02:33)


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Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
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#10 2009-03-02 01:00:15

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

klausesser wrote:

touristguy87 wrote:

There's nothing to say that the rendered pano has to look as good as the prerender.

If it looks good in the editor it can´t look worse in the rendering. If it does you´re doing something wrong.

...your ability to get on here and say that what I've experienced with APP myself and seen with my own two eyes is simply untrue, in a simple-minded, banal fashion, is simply stunning.

ps according to the manual the advanced distortion correction only applies to fisheye shots.

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#11 2009-03-02 01:25:35

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

ok so when i tried to stitch the compressed no exif files i uploaded for you guys, no problems, everything worked great. but when i went back again and tried with my original full size jpgs (with exif), it got all messed up.. and this problem happens with both my dslr -and- my p&s..

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#12 2009-03-02 01:29:01

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

grapedrink wrote:

ok so when i tried to stitch the compressed no exif files i uploaded for you guys, no problems, everything worked great. but when i went back again and tried with my original full size jpgs (with exif), it got all messed up.. and this problem happens with both my dslr -and- my p&s..

If you fancy uploading the orginal fullsize files - I'll try with those.

What camera and lens were these images shot with?

What version of APP are you using, what platform (Windows/Mac/Linux?) and what OS?

Last edited by mediavets (2009-03-02 01:30:30)


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#13 2009-03-02 01:55:40

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

grapedrink wrote:

ok so when i tried to stitch the compressed no exif files i uploaded for you guys, no problems, everything worked great. but when i went back again and tried with my original full size jpgs (with exif), it got all messed up.. and this problem happens with both my dslr -and- my p&s..

here´s my "quick and dirty" version:


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#14 2009-03-02 02:08:30

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

grapedrink wrote:

ok so when i tried to stitch the compressed no exif files i uploaded for you guys, no problems, everything worked great. but when i went back again and tried with my original full size jpgs (with exif), it got all messed up.. and this problem happens with both my dslr -and- my p&s..

please post a picture of the bad results. 

My guess is that  you get a few bad links that have to be removed.  I suspect that APP is mistakenly linking some of the arches that shouldn't be linked.  Look through the cp editor and see if two pictures are linked where they shouldn't be.

Or try using a different quality on CP detection.

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#15 2009-03-02 02:24:18

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

hankkarl wrote:

please post a picture of the bad results.  .

This is what the OP got.


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Last edited by mediavets (2009-03-02 02:26:18)


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#16 2009-03-02 02:27:32

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

Grapedrink included his badly stitched pano in his archive, it looked like what I got when I had incorrect exif focal length.

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#17 2009-03-02 08:44:25

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

thanks everyone but i figured it out, it only happened with vertical pictures and i'd been using canons zoombrowser to rotate my jpgs, i guess when it rotated them it did something that app didn't like. when i rotate them in photoshop or export a new jpg from a raw file in bridge app works just the way it should..

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#18 2009-03-02 09:46:19

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

grapedrink wrote:

thanks everyone but i figured it out, it only happened with vertical pictures and i'd been using canons zoombrowser to rotate my jpgs, i guess when it rotated them it did something that app didn't like. when i rotate them in photoshop or export a new jpg from a raw file in bridge app works just the way it should..

There is no need to rotate the images in order to stitch them with APP.

Do your cameras have an orientation sensor?


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#19 2009-03-02 12:46:39

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

mediavets: but the program he rotated them with forgot to update the exif, and so APP was fooled.

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#20 2009-03-02 13:00:04

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

DrSlony wrote:

mediavets: but the program he rotated them with forgot to update the exif, and so APP was fooled.

Hi!

If he used the Canon-program he did the settings wrong - usually the program saves all EXIFs.


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#21 2009-03-02 16:13:15

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

grapedrink wrote:

thanks everyone but i figured it out, it only happened with vertical pictures and i'd been using canons zoombrowser to rotate my jpgs, i guess when it rotated them it did something that app didn't like. when i rotate them in photoshop or export a new jpg from a raw file in bridge app works just the way it should..

OT: Have you tried DPP  (Digital Photo Professional) ?  Its a better editor than zoombrowser

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#22 2009-03-02 20:11:34

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

returning to the facts i must say:

i´m surprised that APG shows less mismatches than 1.4.2! Same settings of course.
There still are mismatches clearly visible - but remarkably less than with 1.4.2 on ma Mac.

Did somebody realize it also on Mac/1.4.2?

best, Klaus


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#23 2009-03-03 09:11:52

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

ok i didn't read all the arguing, i've been using zoombrowser for years, when i download the pictures of my card it automatically re-orients the photos that were shot vertical, its worked fine for 5+ years. something must have happened because now it doesn't automatically do it so i went and highlighted all the vertical shots and did it manually. these manually rotated shots in zoombrowser are what app cannot stitch properly. then i took an example of four jpgs that app was having trouble with, highlighted them, right click>convert in zoombrowser. this is just a quick and easy way to compress a jpg from 3-4 megs to 500k, i guess in the process it strips the exif. these are the jpgs i uploaded to you guys, but these stitch fine. so all that to say manually rotating images in zoombrowser (for me) creates jpgs that app does not like (but work fine in autostitch). not a big deal because i only use those jpgs for test panos, i shoot raw+jpg and eventually tweak and re-output everything from bridge but hadn't gotten to that stage with these photos. hope this helps you all, thanks again!

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#24 2009-03-03 11:17:06

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

grapedrink wrote:

i guess in the process it strips the exif. these are the jpgs i uploaded to you guys, but these stitch fine. so all that to say manually rotating images in zoombrowser (for me) creates jpgs that app does not like (but work fine in autostitch).

What i would like to know: the distortions in your shots are so heavy - which lens did you use? You were asked for that info several times but didn´t provide the information.
Basically the pictures were stitched ok by APP - but the editor showed clearly offsets . . so i ask again for  the lens because the kind of distortions. It looks like circular fisheye - but i´m not sure if it´s straightened  de-fished fe or a very wide rect. lens which produces heavy distortions.

best, Klaus


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#25 2009-03-03 13:05:23

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Re: Help, Autopano doing funny things?

grapedrink could you please test something for me? Take those incompatible shots and put them into a group in APP again and stitch, to make sure APP still has problems with them. If it still does, goes back to the group, open the image properties editor, and change any one parameter of just one of your shots by any amount, e.g. change "Focal (35mm equiv)" from 15 to 16 (in the table of images, not in the top text boxes). Now click on Detect again, and tell us if APP still had trouble with them.

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