angutir wrote:

Here is the tour:

http://www.villaamaranta.es/wp-content/ … rtual.html

I noticed a few spelling mistakes:

1.  it's bicycles not bicicles.

2. and night not nigth

3. and swimming pool not simming pool

Last edited by mediavets (2012-07-12 00:34:32)

multilingual tours... many things can be done with the xml files just with using krpano scripting syntax...
http://www.gigapixel.at/test2/build.html

take a moment and wait until the 2 intros are finished.
I did create multilingual help screens. this is done with a ptp template. so via ptp the default language can be set (which will be displayed for all users) and by clicking the "?" button next the help screen some flag buttons are placed so you can change the language...

... PS:
try the sound on/off... the volume bar is also just done with image slices and pure xml... so it should be ipad compatible (have no to test it...)
if help screen is enabled: go fullscreen: then the helpscreen and the "replay intro" buttons are resized & replaces

.. so finally I could image that the multilungual mousover/hotspot texts etc should also be possible with pure xml...

Georg

Last edited by gkaefer (2012-07-12 11:36:12)

gkaefer wrote:

multilingual tours... many things can be done with the xml files just with using krpano scripting syntax...
http://www.gigapixel.at/test2/build.html

Hi Georg, thanks for you feedback, i have tested your tour with my Ipad1, and the volume bar shows and work correctly (can up and down), but not change the volume, the real volume still the same.

Yes, what i am looking it is about the "captions of spots", with some xml code that can "see" if the browser is US_en or ES_es language and display automatic the correct language, even a switcher to change the "captions of spots" like you have for help.

Maybe it is possible on the html code...like "see" if is a device or pc, the same can "see" if the browser is spanish or english and then call the swf for that language...i don't know

One question, how many bracketed photos to take this light in the first pano? it is really good.

Antonio

angutir wrote:

gkaefer wrote:

multilingual tours... many things can be done with the xml files just with using krpano scripting syntax...
http://www.gigapixel.at/test2/build.html

Hi Georg, thanks for you feedback, i have tested your tour with my Ipad1, and the volume bar shows and work correctly (can up and down), but not change the volume, the real volume still the same.

That is interesting because the volume control did work for me (adjusting the volume of the audio) with Safari on Windows XP 32-bit wth user agent set for iPad and loading the HTML/javascript version of the tour.

I thought this setup emulated the i-Device in terms of functionality of the krpano HTML/javascript Panorama Viewer - but maybe not?

Last edited by mediavets (2012-07-12 15:30:20)

Aperol wrote:

angutir wrote:

gkaefer wrote:

multilingual tours... many things can be done with the xml files just with using krpano scripting syntax...
http://www.gigapixel.at/test2/build.html

Hi Georg, thanks for you feedback, i have tested your tour with my Ipad1, and the volume bar shows and work correctly (can up and down), but not change the volume, the real volume still the same.

Antonio

same thing on the new iPad, the volume bar shows and work correctly (can up and down), but not change the volume

thanks for feedback - with ptp 2 than I've to rewrite all code and than I will have to find a solution ;-)
Georg

osmica wrote:

Hi Georg,

I am a beginner and I am reading topics and learning how to make changes in XML to get what I need. I found in this topic that you told this:

<< the "debug" window opened on bottom is also set enabled in this demo (could be disabled via xml variable ;-)

Sometimes I have virtuals that are working perfect but that window opens and inform about some error. Can you tell me how to disable it, please. I am creating tours via PTP 1.8 and need to understand what part I need to change and how exactly.

Second thing is to make the template in multilanguage. I am working on a classified for real estate and have my own agency also. There are listings in 6 diferent languages at the moment. I would like to have help menu like yours for Italian, French, German, English, Croatian and Russian. I would like also that every name for panos can be shown in each language by swithing the language. Do you know how to do that if it is possible. Maybe you want help me or give me an offer to make the template for me. I would like to make the visual part myself and give you all images in a zip file. I need that you write me the code than and explain me to understand how to make it works.

Thank you!
Toni

Hi Toni,

tours generated by panotour does never show a debugwindow in general - because there are no errors to show ;-). If you forget to upload all files and images to your webspace and they're missing now, than the error message shows up. Maybe additional info or warning messages are displayed, but if you solve the missing files than the info and warning messages are no longer shown. In my template I wrote I added debugging information to any of the features I added to verify that the values are correctly taken.

if you want to disable any possible error, you have to open the xml files of your panotour tour ans search for the plugins <plugin ....> there values can be added, such like

<plugin name="soundOFF" showerrors="false" debug="false" ... onloaded="set(debug,false)" />

that means that if the soundOFF button is loaded the debug feature is disabled for this plugin and additional you disable any possible error messages caused by this plugin.
(the onloaded is not needed in general, only if some user action should change the debug behaviour, so set(debug,true) could be used to enable it if you click on a special debug icon you place on your menu etc.)
on krpano site you can see detailed documentation: http://www.krpano.com/docu/xml/#krpano.showerrors
to disable debugging globally and not plugin wise you have to place the debug="false" and showerrors="false" in the main XML node <krpano> which can only be found in the final xml files generated by panotour, but not in the panotour templates. So you can create currently with panotour 1.8 an own template and add on each plugin the debug and showerrors statements or you can edit the final by panotour created xml file to place the statements in the global krpano node. Simple to edit, but than each rebuild by panotour does overwrite all your editing...

to be honest: my template I did create is a huge dinosaur with several thousands of xml lines of code.... I didnt touch it since April/May since it was clear that panotour 2.x is coming with huge changes. It was clear to me thy my template could serve the flash-Clients but only limited the mobile devices. So now starting a new project with panotour 1.8 with multilingual feature, multilangual helpscreens and individual design takes a month of work and some days later in january (hopefully) panotour 2.0 is available with much more GUI-enabled wonderful easy to use features... and the template needs to be redone.

I will rewrite my template from scratch if panotour 2.0 is available and it will than be available for a one time fee of a few euros.

Liebe Gruesse,
Georg

Last edited by gkaefer (2012-11-24 20:04:24)

have a look here... a slideshow about autopano 3 features (first half of the 139 slides) and panotour 2.0 starting with slide 46...
http://www.kolor.com/blog-en/2012/07/05 … nce-ivrpa/
Liebe Gruesse,
Georg

Last edited by gkaefer (2012-11-24 20:52:12)

osmica wrote:

I see, thank you George.

I have a question about. Probably you know about this tool.
I found this head: http://www.agnos.com/prodotti.htm?v_lin … MROTATORCP
And they have also this: http://www.agnos.com/prodotti.htm?v_lin … ROTATORRPE
WIth 3 Nikkon and 3 Sigma 8mm fisheye it can create one shot sphere images.
I found also other stuff like this but it is very expencive and I am not sure if it is a good stuff, the nadir is big and they have no samples in small places: http://www.nctechimaging.com/

With Mrotator CP, my Canon 500D and Sigma 8mm fisheye I can create a full sphere with 4 photos. The nadir is very small. That is a great tool for my real estate virtuals, I belive. The only problem is that Autopano can`t stich that images. Am I wrong maybe? I tryed
On the other side, it can be stiched very easy with PTgui. You can try, there are samples in the link.

Can you tell me if the new Autopano will able to stich that images? I didn`t find topics related to work with that head in this forum.
And I would like to know about the new video stiching function. If I create panos with this head and make a video also, what can be done? Can I stich panos with PTgui and than in Autopano add the video I have created into the sphere panorama?

well - sad to say - and hopefully someone can overrule my following statement:

if you create such image like downloadable here:
http://www.agnos.com/prodotti.htm?v_lin … da=SAMPLES
(I tested with the first example: Galleria di Milano)
and you wanna make an pano like in the zip file attached, than you can use autopano - but time is needed - I finally spent 1 hour on these 3image example (to find fitting settings).

autopano 2.6 and 3.0 can stitch them (using 3 images) to get somehow a result, but its hard to find settings (next posting) to:
+ to achieve an horizon that is a horizon like in ptgui result
+ to stitch these 3 images without holes (empty areas)
+ to get the correct proportion of the buildings in spherical mode

I attached the orig ptgui result and the best preview I could get out of 3.0
and finally after using the "automatic horizon" tool a "perfect" result...

my resume: with autopano I would def. use not 3 but 4 images and one for nadir. that should avoid the holes and stitching errors in most used settings combinations. if its possible to create a perfect horizon out of these source images (which are horizontally shifted) I cant tell you...

and once more - here now an example for indoor fisheye images: the automatic horizon tool does do worse the result and using the vertical tool to try to get an perfect horizon does not work, because using a single verticall line on any place will  correct it on that exact location but ruin the horizon on another place. and using several (tried up to a dozen) is like playing lotto and never givin a perfect straigt horizon.

please correct me...

PS: I also dont know if the ptgui result was achieved in seconds or after hours of tweaking and postprocessing....

Liebe Gruesse,
Georg

Last edited by gkaefer (2012-11-26 13:12:16)

osmica wrote:

With Mrotator CP, my Canon 500D and Sigma 8mm fisheye I can create a full sphere with 4 photos. The nadir is very small. That is a great tool for my real estate virtuals, I believe. The only problem is that Autopano can`t stich that images. Am I wrong maybe?

You are wrong. Let us download an example image set shot with that setup so we can test stitch it.

I've stitched all the sample images sets from the Agnos site in the past.

The 3-around MrotatorC images are not the easiest to stitch because of the small overlap and the roll. It was designed for 3-around, there's no point in using the MrotatorC pano head if you are going to shoot 4-around, you can use a more conventional pano head in that case.

As Georg says you need to set Detection quality to High, but they are quite easy to stitch once you are familiar with the technique of placing (and editing) Control Points and use the Yaw/Pitch/Roll tool in the Panorama Editor to orientate the pano image - tip: use the Centre point (or Vanishing point, as  they call it now) tool to centre on the nadir then use the pitch tool (set to 90 degrees and use repeatedly) to reorientate the pano image, then you can use the Vertical line tool to refine the position if you need to.

The MroratorR 3-around image sets shot from a pole on a gondola in the middle of a Venetian canal are the most challenging I think.

Last edited by mediavets (2012-11-26 14:46:04)

@Andrew: wow - much simpler and much better result than using the vertical line tool ... thanks for this tip
would be a great enhancement to the case studies manual "Fixing the panorama's horizon"!

@Toni: ok now with an workable and reproducable workflow - the example pano and similar ones now can be done within 10 minutes or even shorter if no Colour correction or CP manipulation is done - i think its not needed to think about buying additional panohead hardware...

Liebe Gruesse,
Georg

osmica wrote:

Thank you Georg,
and btw, Canon can`t work with 3 images, it needed 4 becouse of the crop factor. Nikkon have 1.5 and Canon 1.6, that is the reason. But I belive Nikkon will also get better results with 4 images.

The MrotatorC pano head is quite an old design and it was designed originally/specifically for the Nikon DX sensor body (the D70 back in the day) with the Sigma 8mm fisheye, which does produce 180 degree FOV on the long axis. It was designed specifically to minimise the number of shots required for producing a 360x180 pano (with small nadir hole) when shooting outdoor scenes with movement/people in the scene. To achieve coverage with just 3-around shots the overlaps are very small and the images are rolled by 60 degrees.

As you say the Canon cropped sensor (1.6x crop factor) with Sigma 8mm fisheye does not produce 180 degree FOV on the long axis - so shooting 3-around with the MrotatorC you will have a small hole at the zenith as well as small hole at the nadir I think.

I can't really see how shooting 4-around rather than 3-around will resolve that issue - the 5-degree positive pitch of the MrotatorC is just not enough to close the zenith as I understand it - you'd need something like a 7-degree positive pitch to do that if shooting with a cropped sensor Canon with the Sigma 8mm fisheye.

The MrotatorC pano head offers no advantages if you plan to shoot 4-around with either Nikon or Canon cropped sensor bodies and Sigma 8mm fisheye. You be better off with a more conventional pano head from Agnos (like the MrotatorTCS/TCP) , or the Nodal Ninja 4, or an R-series ring-style mount from Nodal Ninja.

Last edited by mediavets (2012-11-26 15:06:18)

osmica wrote:

Hi Andrew,

I will give you samles of 4 images when the panohead will come in my hands very soon, in about 2 weeks. I can`t make 3 with Canon because the crop factor is bigger (1.6) that Nikkons (1.5).

I use Canon but in future maybe I could buy the Agnos head for 3 Nikkon cameras and than I can make photos wherever I want, like I am making a regular photo. If it is a football game, dancing, concert...whatever, just need to set the speed correctly and here it is a perfect sphere panorama without ghosts, while there was movement all arround.
Toni

The MrotatorR setup - three cameras and three Sigma 8mm fisheye lenses - is quite expensive, and I imagine it would be quite unwieldy too - all that mass on a pole...and itwould take a while to set up, and will be far from discreet too....Hmmmmm...

But if you afford it, why not.

Then again you could also look at using a fast robotic pano head witha single camera/lens - such as the Seitz VR2, or the Panomachine 6, or the Panoneed (shortly to become available from T&C). All far more versatile than the single purpose MrotatorR.

Last edited by mediavets (2012-11-26 15:14:02)