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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:15 am 
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Hi everyone,
I had this morning a request from a client that want to display the tour I recently created for them on a Tv screen. This is the first time I have a request like this but indeed, this make a LOT of sense (let's say client want to display the tour during a trade-show on a big screen). My first thought is to set up tour in "autotour" and then display locally the VR on a labtop connected to the screen.
However, if let's say that this is not suitable for 'esthetic' or security reasons to have a computer next to their big flat tv screen, would it be possible to go with an other solution ?
I tried to convert my swf to avi but well, only first pano display and then, quality is really bad.
If anyone have an input on a similar client's request, I'm more than willing to ear it ;-)

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Hi everyone,
I had this morning a request from a client that want to display the tour I recently created for them on a Tv screen. This is the first time I have a request like this but indeed, this make a LOT of sense (let's say client want to display the tour during a trade-show on a big screen). My first thought is to set up tour in "autotour" and then display locally the VR on a labtop connected to the screen.

The easiest solution.
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However, if let's say that this is not suitable for 'esthetic' or security reasons to have a computer next to their big flat tv screen, would it be possible to go with an other solution ?
I tried to convert my swf to avi but well, only first pano display and then, quality is really bad.
If anyone have an input on a similar client's request, I'm more than willing to ear it ;-)
Thanks very much

Solutions involving screen capture from a running PTP tour and conversion to video do not work work well.

You could create a video using still images and something like Muvee or Photo-To-Movie:
http://www.muvee.com/
http://www.lqgraphics.com/software/phototomovie.php


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:23 am 
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Thanks Mediavets for this quick answer. Appreciated :)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:59 am 
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f-visuals wrote:
If anyone have an input on a similar client's request, I'm more than willing to ear it ;-)



We´re facing those requests from time to time - and did lots of research.
In the end we decided to advise the client to run the tour from a little computer - MacMini - which
is attached unvisible to the display-stand and runs alone the whole day. You also can pre-configure several
tours or a mix with other content.

One of the clients ha a trackball attached to the desk: using it interrupts the autotour and goes back to it when
the ball isn´t in use any more. This way you have ultimate flexibility combined wth the best image-quality.
We ran it on a very big screen in very best quality - we use to shot in 35000 x 15250px and higher averagely.
The quality is stunning even on the biggest screens.

Here´s an example which ran as an autotour on a very bigscreen during a presentation: http://360impressions.de/KBogen413/
(this is not the automated tour!)

But we also had it run very well on big plasma screens using 15000 x 7500px.

That´s the only acceptable solution quality-wise. Making movies from the tours wasn´t an acceptable way to go for us
and our clients - though we use high end applications for moviemaking.

Running it from a computer provides the use of multiresolution. You cannot achieve this quality with a movie so far.
There are no 8k displays at affordable costs.

Klaus


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:46 pm 
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If you ran the tour from a small PC I would imagine that it would need to have internet access.
Is there a way of running the tour without internet access?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:54 pm 
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If you ran the tour from a small PC I would imagine that it would need to have internet access.
Is there a way of running the tour without internet access?
Steve

Of course - why do you think it would need Internet access.

To work properly the tour would need to be delivered from a web server, but you can use an offline server.

krpano offers one:
http://krpano.com/tools/ktestingserver/


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:04 pm 
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Thanks mediavets, you have answered my question. I still have a lot to learn.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:45 pm 
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signmaster wrote:
If you ran the tour from a small PC I would imagine that it would need to have internet access.
Is there a way of running the tour without internet access?
Steve



You don´t need any internet-access but can it have runing offline from the disk.
PTP2.0 provides a local-server option to do so.

We used PTP1.8.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:38 pm 
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klaus can you explain how to use the local-server option?
The small PC that the tour would run from would not have PTP2.0 installed.
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signmaster wrote:
klaus can you explain how to use the local-server option?
The small PC that the tour would run from would not have PTP2.0 installed.
Steve
Klaus used PTP 1.8 for his applications.

Tours creatde with 1.8 do not require the use of a local server for full tour functionality.

I think Klaus was refering to the lightweight built-in web server in PTP 2.x that is invoked by the View last Built tour ... button in PTP 2.x.

If you don't have PTP 2.x installed and running then you need to use an offline server to ensure view tours created with PTP 2.x can be viewed locally with full functionality.

krpano offers an offline server:
http://krpano.com/tools/ktestingserver/
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ ... ing_Server


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:13 am 
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Thanks everyone for your input !
Best


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:27 am 
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I like the KRpano option for the offline server. but we are running into more and more issues where we need to be able to deliver offline tours to customers who for a variety of reasons can't put the tours on a web server. I'd rather not deliver the tour with a copy of PTP2, or KRpano along with the tours. I know Kolor is working on a solution for this, I'm looking forward to what they come up with! :)


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Jeremiahscott wrote:
I like the KRpano option for the offline server. but we are running into more and more issues where we need to be able to deliver offline tours to customers who for a variety of reasons can't put the tours on a web server. I'd rather not deliver the tour with a copy of PTP2, or KRpano along with the tours. I know Kolor is working on a solution for this, I'm looking forward to what they come up with! :)

Does the krpano testing server require a krpano license?

In any case there are other free/low cost offline web servers.

I remain puzzled about all these clients who 'for a variety of reasons can't put the tours on a web server'. How are these people using the tours?


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I like the KRpano option for the offline server. but we are running into more and more issues where we need to be able to deliver offline tours to customers who for a variety of reasons can't put the tours on a web server.


I completely agree. That´s a bad thing being forced to go this server-only way. We need to fully automatize it. It´s definitely unacceptable for a client being forced to use a dedicated webserver for running a tour.
There are clients who have not the remotest idea about this technology. They are used to just start the tour we provide to them - no matter in which configuration.
They don´t all have IT-specialists or are skilled in PC-using themself.

Klaus


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:29 pm 
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I remain puzzled about all these clients who 'for a variety of reasons can't put the tours on a web server'. How are these people using the tours?


I understand that, Andrew - but that´s just ONE perspective.

You are not working commercially providing tours to clients as far as i know. Things are completely different when you work commercially.
Yoe need to meet expectations of people whose business is whatever it is - but definitely NOT pano-making or IT affiliated.

Clients are very different: there are some who are familiar with PCs or Macs and know what a "web-server" is or wht it means.
But the vast majority not only have no idea what that is - they don´t want to be bothered by things which are not of THEIR business at all . .

When i give a tour to a client he expects - for example - being able to give a stick with our automated tour to his secretary and tell her/him to put it into the beamer
and start the presentation.

This NEEDS to be possible. Without teh need on an IT-specialist to build up a local web-server.

So: when we are able to integrate an imediate start of a local web-server the moment the tour is started without the client needs to do ANYTHING ELSE but start the tour - then
it´s ok.

To be honest: I myself have no idea how to achieve that actually . . . .

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Clients are very different: there are some who are familiar with PCs or Macs and know what a "web-server" is or what it means.

But the vast majority not only have no idea what that is - they don´t want to be bothered by things which are not of THEIR business at all . . .
Klaus

Is this apparent tendency for senior managers to take a perverse pride in being technologically illiterate a particularly German phenomenon?

Perhaps they should just ask a typical child. ;)

My 10 year old grandson taught his father how to use an iPhone and at the time my grandson didn't even have one himself.


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mediavets wrote:
klausesser wrote:
Clients are very different: there are some who are familiar with PCs or Macs and know what a "web-server" is or what it means.

But the vast majority not only have no idea what that is - they don´t want to be bothered by things which are not of THEIR business at all . . .
Klaus


Is this apparent tendency for senior managers to take a perverse pride in being technologically illiterate a particularly German phenomenon?
Perhaps they should just ask a typical child. ;)
My 10 year old grandson taught his father how to use an iPhone and at the time my grandson didn't even have one himself.



Andrew - i refuse to answer such a stupid and arrogant as well as almost offending reply. But maybe my English isn´t good enough to really understand
what you say.

Just that much:
As long as you´re just toying around with what you´re talking about it maybe ok for you. But providing your work to clients who pay a lot of money for fluent
and effortless functionality they don´t need to think much about themself . . . the world definitely looks different.

Please accept that. You several times just missed this vital point.

Klaus

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THIS is what´s written about "run you tour locally":
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ ... ld_tab#FTP
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ ... ing_Server

Can you imagine what that might help a sales man, a woman who runs a boutique, a hotel director who wants just to show the tour on a
gathering, an architect who wants to present it on a beamer in some meeting???

No. You can not imagine those situations.

I don´t understand this extremely narrow-angled view of yours, Andrew.


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klausesser wrote:
mediavets wrote:
klausesser wrote:
Clients are very different: there are some who are familiar with PCs or Macs and know what a "web-server" is or what it means.

But the vast majority not only have no idea what that is - they don´t want to be bothered by things which are not of THEIR business at all . . .
Klaus


Is this apparent tendency for senior managers to take a perverse pride in being technologically illiterate a particularly German phenomenon?


Andrew - i refuse to answer such a stupid and arrogant as well as almost offending reply. But maybe my English isn´t good enough to really understand what you say.


I was being provocative. Actually I don't think it is exclusively or particularly a German phenomenon. Yet it's strange that senior decision makers in businesses consider it's fine to be technologically illiterate themselves but continually complain that potential employees lack those same skills.

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Just that much:
As long as you´re just toying around with what you´re talking about it maybe ok for you. But providing your work to clients who pay a lot of money for fluent and effortless functionality they don´t need to think much about themself . . . the world definitely looks different.

Please accept that. You several times just missed this vital point.

Klaus

I am trying to better understand the need for offline tours from those whose clients apparently demand them.

I don't subscribe to the mantra that the client is always right. In a client role I know that I am often not right, just ill informed.

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THIS is what´s written about "run you tour locally":
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ ... ld_tab#FTP
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ ... ing_Server

Can you imagine what that might help a sales man, a woman who runs a boutique, a hotel director who wants just to show the tour on a gathering, an architect who wants to present it on a beamer in some meeting???
No. You can not imagine those situations.

I don´t understand this extremely narrow-angled view of yours, Andrew.

There's no reason for the client to have to know that - you are capable of setting this up - and documenting it - for the client who then can invoke the tour with a few clicks.

I always smile when you use the term 'beamer'. In colloquial English a 'Beemer' is a BMW motor car. What you call a 'beamer' we call a projector.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:37 pm 
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mediavets wrote:
Yet it's strange that senior decision makers in businesses consider it's fine to be technologically illiterate themselves but continually complain that potential employees lack those same skills.


"Senior decision makers" usually need to have very much different things in mind, Andrew.

mediavets wrote:
I am trying to better understand the need for offline tours from those whose clients apparently demand them.
I don't subscribe to the mantra that the client is always right. In a client role I know that I am often not right, just ill informed.


No . The client isn´t always right of course. But he has the right to expect being provided with things he can handle.

Usually clients have their specialists for using the things we provide them correctly - of course.

But that´s not always the case. Sometimes especially the "decision makers" need our content to run on their private iPads locally
when they have half-private meetings with people who might be very interesting for us as potential clients.

One of our clients held a speech on a famous architectural museum. He wanted us to prepare his tour in a way he easily could present
it from his iPad - connected to a beamer - in his speech. This must be possible.

I did it using the "html book" app: worked perfectly and the listeners - creme de la creme of european architects - were much impressed.

Will this work also having produced tours with PTP2.0 and it´s local server strategy? Downloading and running locally on iPads?
Didn´t get any answer so far.

AM I CAPABLE of setting this up? No. I´m not. Read the "documentation". Can you definitely assure me our tours will be downloadable and work locally on iPads using a local web-server?

btw.:
I don´t care about your "colloquial English", BMW or whatever.
"Beamer" is a widely established word for electronic projectors. The word "projector" does not tell about whether it´s a film-projector, a stage-light projector (projecting Gobos/masks) or an electronic projector "beaming" websites, images, movies or whatever onto a special screen.

NOBODY was able to state so far that our tours will be able getting downloaded and being presented locally on iPads - as it´s possible with tours created in PTP 1.8.

I would prefer to give up on 75% of PTP´s funny features for having the few features i really need to work perfectly . .

Are there features in it working perfectly and flawlessly at all?? From what i read i have doubts about that.

Klaus


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klausesser wrote:
I don´t care about your "colloquial English", BMW or whatever.
"Beamer" is a widely established word for electronic projectors. The word "projector" does not tell about whether it´s a film-projector, a stage-light projector (projecting Gobos/masks) or an electronic projector "beaming" websites, images, movies or whatever onto a special screen.

Klaus

Maybe..but oddly enough not in English. But I knew what you meant by the word.


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NOBODY was able to state so far that our tours will be able getting downloaded and being presented locally on iPads - as it´s possible with tours created in PTP 1.8.

I would prefer to give up on 75% of PTP´s funny features for having the few features i really need to work perfectly . .

Are there features in it working perfectly and flawlessly at all?? From what i read i have doubts about that.

Klaus

I can't help you there - I don't have or have access to an iPad.


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But I knew what you meant by the word.


Finally . . . =D :cool:

The term "Beamer" meaning "Video-Projector" is acknowledged all over the world. Use Google.

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klausesser wrote:
NOBODY was able to state so far that our tours will be able getting downloaded and being presented locally on iPads - as it´s possible with tours created in PTP 1.8.

I would prefer to give up on 75% of PTP´s funny features for having the few features i really need to work perfectly . .

Are there features in it working perfectly and flawlessly at all?? From what i read i have doubts about that.

Klaus

I can't help you there - I don't have or have access to an iPad.


Funny:

yesterday i again tried a small tour (2 secenes) in PTP2, put it on a stick and loaded it up as a .zip file.

My son could download the zip, saved on his Android tablet and was able to play the tour offline.
He also could play it offline from the stick directly.

In both cases neither i nor he needed to setup a local server for playing it offline.

Now: i was told here all the time one needs to setup a local server to run the PTP2 content offline.

WHAT is the truth?

Klaus


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klausesser wrote:
mediavets wrote:
klausesser wrote:
NOBODY was able to state so far that our tours will be able getting downloaded and being presented locally on iPads - as it´s possible with tours created in PTP 1.8.

I would prefer to give up on 75% of PTP´s funny features for having the few features i really need to work perfectly . .

Are there features in it working perfectly and flawlessly at all?? From what i read i have doubts about that.

Klaus

I can't help you there - I don't have or have access to an iPad.


Funny:

yesterday i again tried a small tour (2 secenes) in PTP2, put it on a stick and loaded it up as a .zip file.

My son could download the zip, saved on his Android tablet and was able to play the tour offline.
He also could play it offline from the stick directly.

In both cases neither i nor he needed to setup a local server for playing it offline.

Now: i was told here all the time one needs to setup a local server to run the PTP2 content offline.

WHAT is the truth?

Klaus

If you create an HTML5 tour and avoid most of the new plugin features that may work; but some plugin features do depend on the tour being delivered from a web server because otherwise they will be 'blocked' by browse security features. So the simple 'rule' is that you need to deliver tours via a web server.


It may also depend to some degree on what browser you use to view the tour; some browsers are more 'paranoid' than others.
Beyond that some features supported in Flash tours are not supported at all (yet) in HTML5 tours - for example, dircetional sound and polygonal hotspots. But PTP 2.x warns you of that before you build the tour.


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If you create an HTML5 tour and avoid most of the new plugin features that may work; but some plugin features do depend on the tour being delivered from a web server because otherwise they will be 'blocked' by browse security features.



Can you tell which plugins are related?

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