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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:28 am 
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Hello.

I have one of my clients asked me to put his virtual tour on USB keys.
I do not know if this is possible. But I used to complete sites on CD-Rom. I just put on a self-running executable on the index.html page

Also, many hotspots use the plugin "Website Box" and therefore redirect to a website.
So I think to put the complete file of the external site to the root folder of the visit and change the link hotspots with this "directory / page.html"

Do you think this is possible?

In advance, thank you.
Stephane

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Visite virtuelle sur clé USB

Hello.

J’ai un de mes clients qui me demande de mettre sa visite virtuelle sur des clés USB.
Je ne sais pas si c’est possible. Mais, j’avais l’habitude de mettre des sites complets sur CD-Rom. Je mettais simplement un auto exécutable sur la page index.html

Aussi, de nombreux hotspots utilisent le plugin « Website Box » et redirigent donc vers un site web.
Je pense donc mettre le dossier complet du site externe à la racine du dossier de la visite et changer le lien des hotspots avec ceci « repertoire/page.html »

Pensez-vous que cela est réalisable ?

D’avance, je vous remercie.

Stéphane


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:59 am 
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yodabel wrote:
I have one of my clients asked me to put his virtual tour on USB keys.



I did it with PTP1.8 made tours. No problem. You just need to put the complete folder on the stick and start the tour.html or an index.html in the folder.
On my Macs i can place an Alias on the desktop which starts the pano in the folder on the stick - don´t know whether it works also on PCs.

Whether it also works with PTP2.0 tours i don´t know.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:12 pm 
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Thank you, Klaus
That's what I thought.
I'll try
How did you do to put the icon on mac?

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This also works on with PanotourPro 2!
But plugin "Gallery" does not foctionne
Most importantly, the plugin "webside bo"x works . But is not the right size and menus to enlarge and to close the window has disappeared.
Someone an idea?
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Hi. You have posted this request on the PTP V2 thread, so I assume you are using this version.. In that case what Klaus suggest will not work.. PTP V2 uses a lot of JS, therefore it needs to be on a server to work. The work-around to this is to use an internal software testing server. I suggest you try this... viewtopic.php?f=92&t=21223#p135628

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:15 pm 
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Or try one of these offline web servers:

http://www.usbwebserver.net/en/
http://www.server2go-web.de

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BTW why does your client want to to run a tour from a USB key?

PTP is deigned to create online tours not offline tours?

I find it hard to imagine a client for virtual tours who doesn't have Net access.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:28 pm 
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BTW why does your client want to to run a tour from a USB key?


1) that´s the client´s business. There are several reasons - all of them must be easy to handle. The clients usually are business-people
who just are able to switch on their computers . . . and more they don´t need to know.
2) i often had this case too. Depending on the kind of client - ad-agencies, distributors, promotion people or whatever -
they have many different ways to present the tours on presentations at THEIR clients place, on exhibitions/fairs or whatever.
3) you CANNOT expect from clients to A) know at all about "web-servers", B) to handle panos in a way they are NOT USED to handle them and so on.
This is IMPOSSIBLE.
C) If PTP 2 doesn´t provide easy and fast handling of panorama-content . . . it´s not usable business-wise. Period.

When i give a CD/DVD) Stick to a client he/she must be able to put it into the computer and start the tour. ALL other manipulations are obstacles - and
not their business. They have NO IDEA AT ALL to build up or even to use a local web-server. That´s ridiculous.
Also ridioculous would be to limit presentig a tour ONLY online without further circumstances. That would be extremely user-unfriendly.

I can´t metion it often enough: the client MUST NOT NEED to do ANYTHING else as loading my tours and start them.

That would be like selling a car and forcing the buyer to need adjusting the motor first befor he can start driving . . . I would be lost there: i don´t have any idea how the motor works.
Never i will put my clients into exactly the same situation just for starting a tour from a stick or DVD which i made for them. Never. Unacceptable.

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PTP is deigned to create online tours not offline tours?


?? I thought PTP was designed to create tours . . whether for online or offline must not be PTP´s business! Tours i made in PTP 1.8 can run offline from a disk, stick or whatever.

Is it possible to integrate a web-server into the presentation on a stick without the client needs to do anything but starting the tour resp. clicking ONE button?

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I find it hard to imagine a client for virtual tours who doesn't have Net access.


What is hard for you to imagine, Andrew, is your business ;) .
Fact is that in commercial life there are many occasions where it´s a NEED to have a tour running offline - for example integrated in a presentation. And, as said, it is definitely not the client´s business to prepare their computers IT-wise first for being able to run the tour.

Clients not always have net-access everywhere they are - have you?

Klaus


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:37 pm 
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klausesser wrote:
mediavets wrote:
BTW why does your client want to to run a tour from a USB key?


1) that´s the client´s business. There are several reasons - all of them must be easy to handle. The clients usually are business-people who just are able to switch on their computers . . . and more they don´t need to know.
2) i often had this case too. Depending on the kind of client - ad-agencies, distributors, promotion people or whatever -
they have many different ways to present the tours on presentations at THEIR clients place, on exhibitions/fairs or whatever.
3) you CANNOT expect from clients to A) know at all about "web-servers", B) to handle panos in a way they are NOT USED to handle them and so on.
This is IMPOSSIBLE.
C) If PTP 2 doesn´t provide easy and fast handling of panorama-content . . . it´s not usable business-wise. Period.

No-one is asking the clients to learn new 'tricks for them to have offline tours, OTOH the service provider (you or your sub-contractor) may have to learn new 'tricks' occasionally as technology changes. This is one of those instances.

All your client needs to know is how to use a Web browser - I imagine most can do that however 'creative' they are?

If not I'm amazed they are still in business in this day and age.

Ir do you specialise in servicing intellectually-challenged clients, or the terminally bloody-minded?

I would imagine most of your clients' clientele also have Net access.

And it hard to imagine any fair or exhibition that doesn't offer exhibitors Net access.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:58 pm 
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klausesser wrote:
That would be like selling a car and forcing the buyer to need adjusting the motor first before he can start driving . . . I would be lost there: i don´t have any idea how the motor works.

Or maybe it's like a client buying a car and then later insisting it be made to run on water rather than petrol?


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mediavets wrote:
PTP is designed to create online tours not offline tours?


?? I thought PTP was designed to create tours . . whether for online or offline must not be PTP´s business!

I think it is - and has always been - quite clear that PT/PTP is designed primarily to create online tours.

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Tours i made in PTP 1.8 can run offline from a disk, stick or whatever.

Is it possible to integrate a web-server into the presentation on a stick without the client needs to do anything but starting the tour resp. clicking ONE button?

PTP 2.x is a very different 'beast' from PTP 1.8. If PTP 1.8 meets your needs stick with it.

But yes I believe it is possible to produce and offline tour using PTP 2.x - plus additional software - that can be activated with one click. Although it will take more work that with 1.8.

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mediavets wrote:
I find it hard to imagine a client for virtual tours who doesn't have Net access.


What is hard for you to imagine, Andrew, is your business ;) .
Fact is that in commercial life there are many occasions where it´s a NEED to have a tour running offline - for example integrated in a presentation. And, as said, it is definitely not the client´s business to prepare their computers IT-wise first for being able to run the tour.

Clients not always have net-access everywhere they are - have you?

Klaus


Integrating a tour in presentation is a completely different issue.

Do I have Net access everywhere? No, but I have it or can arrange to have it anywhere I really need it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:16 pm 
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mediavets wrote:
All they need to know is how to use browser - I imagine most can do that however 'creative' they are?

If not I'm amazed they are still in business in this day and age.

Ir do you specialise in servicing intellectually-challenged clients, or the terminally bloody-minded?

I would imagine most of your clients' clientele also have Net access.

And it hard to imagine any fair or exhibition that doesn't offer exhibitors Net access.


Andrew - i realize you are not or never were in the business of producing video or interactive content commercially?
I also realize that your view on the business-reality seems somewhat strange . . . ;)

When i sell a product to a client i first need to analyze what kind of client it is:
1) a business man/woman - who is perfect in HIS/HER kind of business.
2) a advertising strategy man/woman who creates ideas, campaigns or whatever and is perfect and successful in HIS/HER kind of business
3) a technically working man/woman - who is perfect in what he/she does . . not neccessarily related to computers . . .
4) somebody who is used to handle computers and most likely will be able to handle a local-web server
or whatever.

The problem is: commercially producing interactive content and selling it for a price means to provide optimal working results -
without the client´s need to care for anything but starting the index.html or the tour.html on a stick, a CD or a DVD.
Because THAT is what they are used to do waching the content online.

And THAT is what he/her buys. Providing to a client a result he need to configure him/herself for showing it offline
definitely is a no-go in business life. I - as the producer - NEVER can know for sure what the clients do with my product.
The client MUST have ALL options presenting my product in his/her workflow without further circumstances. He need to be able
to use the content in Powerpoint-presentations (offline of course), with beamers on a fair or exhibition (nor always you have a good
and fast working conection there), or as a sales-pro going to fairs/exhibitions visiting 25 potential investors, distriobutors or whatever
and showing them the tour from a laptop/macbook . . or so.
I myelf several times encountered the question to leave the tour at the booth on a stick for the potential client presenting it in the
evening on a meeting . .

And so on. You see: there are many occasions to present a tour offline! And usually teh people who present it have no ideas what "local webservers"
are or how to configure them.

It´s naive not to takes this points in regard.

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mediavets wrote:

?? I thought PTP was designed to create tours . . whether for online or offline must not be PTP´s business!

I think it is - and has always been - quite clear that PT/PTP is designed primarily to create online tours.
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Is that mentioned explicitly somewhere?

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klausesser wrote:
The problem is: commercially producing interactive content and selling it for a price means to provide optimal working results - without the client´s need to care for anything but starting the index.html or the tour.html on a stick, a CD or a DVD.
Because THAT is what they are used to do waching the content online.

And THAT is what he/her buys. Providing to a client a result he need to configure him/herself for showing it offline definitely is a no-go in business life.


I accept that and have stated that it is possible to create such offline tours using PTP 2.x PLUS additional software.

As the provider you may have to work a bit harder (that you did with PTP 1.8 tours) but the clint doesn't have to.

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I - as the producer - NEVER can know for sure what the clients do with my product.
The client MUST have ALL options presenting my product in his/her workflow without further circumstances. He need to be able to use the content in Powerpoint-presentations (offline of course), with beamers on a fair or exhibition (nor always you have a good and fast working conection there), or as a sales-pro going to fairs/exhibitions visiting 25 potential investors, distributors or whatever and showing them the tour from a laptop/macbook . . or so.

You could never guarantee that all or any of these things will be easy for the technically illiterate whatever software you use to create tours.

There are too many unknown variables. And you know that's the case.

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I myself several times encountered the question to leave the tour at the booth on a stick for the potential client presenting it in the evening on a meeting . .

And so on. You see: there are many occasions to present a tour offline! And usually the people who present it have no ideas what "local webservers" are or how to configure them.


I accept that, and there's no need for your client to need to know any of that...but you and/or your co- developers may well need to know.

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It´s naive not to takes this points in regard.

Klaus

Is it Kolor's role/responsibility to produce a product that can create tours that can be used by the technically illiterate in every situation you have described?

I think not.


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mediavets wrote:
Is it Kolor's role/responsibility to produce a product that can create tours that can be used by the technically illiterate in every situation you have described?
I think not.


Well - that´s the way the promote their product. Don´t they? :cool:

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PTP V2 is a Web presentation multimedia showcasing Virtual Tours online.. It was never designed around DVDs, or to be viewed on standalone hardware.. Since most of the new features of PTP V2 are Javascript based, a Web Server is need to view it, this has nothing to do with Kolor, its a Web protocol to activate Javascript, just like an animated Gif that needs to be hosted on a Server to work or software server.. Kolor has been directed in the most part by the action of Adobe not guaranteeing the continued development of Flash.. Therefore it had to look to the future and develop a software app that did not threaten its future by adding a lot of Javascript and HTML5 features into PTP V2+. Since there is no real standard for HTML5, no one owns it so the rules governing it are still a bit too flexible..

It might be possible to embed a Virtual Tour into a Stand-alone player, using Adobe Director, but that has issues too.. You need two players, one an exe and the other a dmg.. I have in the past made Stand-alone players using Director, but I do not have a Mac version, only a V8+ Windows version.. You might be able to download a demo trial and test it.. Director is a very powerful software app, perhaps worth investigating... However, if any urls are set to remote, i.e. Google Map or a webs site hosted on a different server, then its obvious that this media will NEVER be able to be displayed on any other platform than a remote web server..

Sorry to tell you Klaus.. PTP V2 hasn't been solely-and-holy designed around your needs... :p

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Thank you for all your comments .
And I certainly agree with many of them .
Regarding the possibility of the virtual tour on a phisical support, i think it should be obligatory !
Here is my case . My Client is a director of a multinationnal . He wants a physical support to a " natural gift" to its partners. I think his will is legitimate. Why ? Because, well, everyone must have a connection to the internet today. But this is not always the case. And the desire to give a physical object can be part of the request of a clien . PTP2 is an exellent professional product. But to be perfect, it must answer all market demands . If my client asks me a physical support , I must be able to do that. If I do not, I risk losing credibility and I risk losing the market.
That said, I agree that the USB key is a discontinued product. But it is part of a request for some people who are not aware of the new technologies as we are, users PTP V2. Yet these people are at the head of big company. I do not think they are illiterate °)
I think the Kolor’s Team must work on the possibility of a physical support.
In the present case , I think I'll propose a usb key with direct access to the virtual tour on the net. I have no other choice. Anyone know how to do it quickly?
In advance , thank you
Stéphane
Sorry for my english... Now in french :
Je vous remercie pour tous vos commentaires.
Et, je suis bien d’accord avec beaucoup de ceux-ci.
Concernant la possibilité de mettre la visite virtuelle sur un support physique. Je pense que cela doit être obligatoire !
Voici mon cas. Mon Client est administrateur d’une multinational. Il veut un support physique pour faire un "don physique" à ses partenaires. Je pense que sa volonté est légitime. Pourquoi ? Parce que, même, tout le monde doit avoir une connexion à internet, aujourd’hui. Mais, ce n’est pas toujours le cas. Et, la volonté de donner un objet physique peut faire partie de la demande d’un client. PTP2 est un produit professionnel excellent. Mais, pour être parfait, il doit répondre à toutes les demandes du marché. Si mon client me demande un support physique, je dois être en mesure de faire cela. Si je ne le fais pas, je risque de perdre de la crédibilité et je risque de perdre le marché.
Cela dit, je suis d’accord que la clé USB est un produit obsolète. Mais, il fait partie d’une demande de certaines personnes qui ne sont pas au courant des nouvelles technologies comme nous le sommes, utilisateurs de PTP V2. Pourtant, ces personnes sont à la tête de grosse société. Je ne pense pas qu’ils soient analphabètes ;°)
Je crois que l’équipe de Kolor doit travailler sur la possibilité de faire un support physique.
Dans le cas actuel, je pense que je vais proposer une clé USB avec un accès direct à la visite virtuelle sur le net. Je n’ai pas d’autre choix. Quelqu’un sait comment le faire rapidement ?
D’avance, je vous remercie
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yodabel wrote:
Thank you for all your comments .
And I certainly agree with many of them .
Regarding the possibility of the virtual tour on a phisical support, i think it should be obligatory !
Here is my case . My Client is a director of a multinationnal . He wants a physical support to a " natural gift" to its partners.

OK - we might have moved forward quicker had you explained the context at the beginning. :rolleyes:

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I think his will is legitimate. Why ? Because, well, everyone must have a connection to the internet today. But this is not always the case. And the desire to give a physical object can be part of the request of a client .

Your client is a director of a multinational. Most large companies and organisations (in the UK at least) have IT departments that configure employees computers in such a way that they cannot load anything from CDs, DVDs or USB connected devices - or strict rules/policies against doing so - for fear of viruses and other security risks. This would defeat your client's 'natural gift' intentions; in fact the recipient of such a 'natural gift' might very well be quite annoyed to receive such a thing for a partner.

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PTP2 is an excellent professional product. But to be perfect, it must answer all market demands.

That's nonsense, and you know it. No software product in nay category meets 'all market demands'.

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If my client asks me a physical support , I must be able to do that.

And you can, but it's not an out-of-the-box feature of PT/PTP. You need to use some third-party software and have the knowledge of how to create your standalone tour offer. But even then given the wide variety of platforms and OS and browser that might be used to view it - and your client has no control over that - there's a good chance that it won't work in some cases, for all sorts of reasons. Does your client wish to take that risk - along with all the other risks?

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If I do not, I risk losing credibility and I risk losing the market.

You might in fact gain credibility if you were to point out why your client's demands are not such a good idea. If you blindly follow his/her orders and the result if not as the client expected/intended who do you think will get the blame?

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That said, I agree that the USB key is a discontinued product. But it is part of a request for some people who are not aware of the new technologies as we are, users PTP V2. Yet these people are at the head of big company. I do not think they are illiterate °)

You seem to contradict yourself. You say that people who made the request are not aware of new technologies, yet say they are not technologically illiterate; when they plainly are.

Many heads of large (and small) organistaions are relatively technologically illiterate, that's OK if they are willing to listen to those who know better/more than they do (sadly many of these macho bosses are not).

It is up to you as a service provider (hopefully with the support of their in-house 'geeks') to 'gently educate' them if you feel they are making a bad decision. I worked in the PC industry - for a then leading PC manufacturer - for about 1O years and most of the top bosses were both woefully technologically illiterate, and dreadfully macho, and made some awful decisions as a result.

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I think the Kolor’s Team must work on the possibility of a physical support.

If you make a reasoned future feature request I'm sure they'll give it hearing.

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In the present case , I think I'll propose a usb key with direct access to the virtual tour on the net. I have no other choice.

Hmmm... in which case it can only work if the person with the gizmo has access to the Net and is allowed to plug such devices into their PCs - and there may still be issues.

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so Anyone know how to do it quickly?

Quickly? I'd want to test anything like that very extensively before offering it to an important multinational client.


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The better way, for the moment, is to use mini server as :
- MAMP for MacOS
- Server2Go or Uniform Server Free for Windows
(others software exists too, as configurables XAMPP or WAMP stacks to make them portable)

Add your tour data into "htdocs" or "www" directory to display the tour.

For windows autorun.inf file will load server automatically if into a supported device.

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benji33 wrote:
The better way, for the moment, is to use mini server as :
- MAMP for MacOS
- Server2Go or Uniform Server Free for Windows
(others software exists too, as configurables XAMPP or WAMP stacks to make them portable)

Add your tour data into "htdocs" or "www" directory to display the tour.

For windows autorun.inf file will load server automatically if into a supported device.



Hi Benji!

I also use to give away a pano or a tour on a stick/CD/DVD when clients ask for to run it offline in a discussion or a presentation. This NEEDS to be possible.
They need to be able to put the stick onto a beamer and start.

Also i sometimes carry a presentation on a stick when i don´t want to take my MacBook into a meeting - sometimes it´s better to wait being asked to show examples.
Then putting a stick into the beamer and run the tour is very much impressing clients - because it´s more unexpected as when you show up carrying a laptop/MacNook.

I guess it must be possible to integrate a small server on the stick for running a touer from it without the client needs to do anything else but hit the tour.html or the index-html?

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mediavets wrote:
yodabel wrote:
Thank you for all your comments .
And I certainly agree with many of them .
Regarding the possibility of the virtual tour on a phisical support, i think it should be obligatory !
Here is my case . My Client is a director of a multinationnal . He wants a physical support to a " natural gift" to its partners.


OK - we might have moved forward quicker had you explained the context at the beginning. :rolleyes:


Andrew - are you producing panos and tours commercially for multinational clients? I guess not - because you would have understood the context. I mean you´d better learn to respect the situation of those who have needs which extend beyond your one ones.

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klausesser wrote:
benji33 wrote:
The better way, for the moment, is to use mini server as :
- MAMP for MacOS
- Server2Go or Uniform Server Free for Windows
(others software exists too, as configurables XAMPP or WAMP stacks to make them portable)

Add your tour data into "htdocs" or "www" directory to display the tour.

For windows autorun.inf file will load server automatically if into a supported device.



Hi Benji!

I also use to give away a pano or a tour on a stick/CD/DVD when clients ask for to run it offline in a discussion or a presentation. This NEEDS to be possible.
They need to be able to put the stick onto a beamer and start.

Also i sometimes carry a presentation on a stick when i don´t want to take my MacBook into a meeting - sometimes it´s better to wait being asked to show examples.
Then putting a stick into the beamer and run the tour is very much impressing clients - because it´s more unexpected as when you show up carrying a laptop/MacNook.

I guess it must be possible to integrate a small server on the stick for running a touer from it without the client needs to do anything else but hit the tour.html or the index-html?

best, Klaus


Yes, it is. Benji has listed some of the offline web servers you might use.

And this has been discussed many times before on this forum.

It doesn't mean that such a solution will always work in every situation for reasons I outlined earlier - corporate IT policies, idiosyncrasies of OS/browser combinations and so on.

The same was true back in the day - before the widespread availability if the Internet - when it was popular to distribute autorun presentations (typically created with Director) on CDs.


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klausesser wrote:
Andrew - are you producing panos and tours commercially for multinational clients? I guess not - because you would have understood the context.

No, but I have worked in the marleting department of an IT corporate that produced/used promotional giveaways for its partners and customers and potential customers.

It was never explicitly stated that the client wanted a promotional giveaway item on a memory stick (USB key) for partners.

That raises additional issues -quite different from controlled in-company use - which I sought to address in my earlier post.

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I mean you´d better learn to respect the situation of those who have needs which extend beyond your one ones.

Klaus

I believe I understand and respect his situation. I was merely seeking to communicate that it may not be as simple a matter as he thought; and a rushed 'quick-n-dirty' solution may later cause as many problems as it solves for his client.


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