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by fma38 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:28 am

DrSlony wrote:I know running tufuse using the command line from wine works.
Do you know of any way that linux users can use tufuse from a gui?
Do you know if PTAssembler can run from wine?
Is compiling tufuse to run on linux planned at all, or just on a 'some day' basis? Because if you will do that soon, Im seriously considering writing a gui in python myself. I will have to learn it first of course, because so far the only pythoning I did was a simple batch script thing for gimp, but this would be a good investment, I think. I would like to make it opensource and all that, but then I'd have to spend more time learning about svn or git.

Learning python is always is good investment ;)

What do you need in the GUI? Can't you use a simple image viewer, like gqview, and write a little shell script which take images to blend? If needed, you can even use xdialog to ask for output file name (there are also wrappers for python, if you want to write a python script). Then, you just have to process different layers in APP, output them as images (tif), and select them in gqview...
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by DrSlony » Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:50 pm

Oi!

I need a gui to be able to do what EnfuseGUI does - load a dir, set the number of bracketed shots (eg. 3 or 5) and have the gui split the photos in that dir into groups of 3 in this case and send them to tufuse.exe
Thats why I need a linux version of tufuse...
...or do you know whether its possible to write a gui like that, that would invoke tufuse.exe under wine?

I used something like xdialog before! I dont think it was exactly xdialog, but same philosophy!

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by AlexandreJ » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:08 pm

digipano wrote:2nd problem with enfuse is also solved I don't see any ghosting at all with enfused files.

Oh definitively no ! It's even a Google summer of code proposal for enfuse.

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by fma38 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:09 pm

DrSlony, does enfuse make something other than showing the images? Isn't enough to select the images you want to merge in gqview, then right-click and use an external script which calls tufuse through wine? The name of the output image, and maybe other usefull params, can be asked from the script using xdialog...
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by DrSlony » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:02 pm

You mean EnfuseGUI? It does basically just what I described - you can drag and drop a folder and select how many shots per bracket, eg. 3. The gui segregates all files in the folder into groups of 3 and sends each group to tufuse.exe, one group at a time. Output names based on input names + suffix _tufused. A script might work as well I think, but I have no idea how to write a script that knows what it is I selected in gqview and sends that to a program in wine.

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by digipano » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:15 pm

I think you made a typo error.

Or
are you able to use enfuseGUI to use tufuse.exe instead of enfuse.exe?

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by DrSlony » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:17 pm

No typo, I use EnfuseGUI to run tufuse.exe

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by digipano » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:25 pm

So you mean that under linux it works, I cant get enfuseGUI to work under windows XP pro using tufuse.exe, when I chose a path to tufuse.exe, the file does not show instead it looks for enfuse.exe
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by DrSlony » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:25 pm

digipano wrote:after installing enfuseGUI It ask for enfuse.exe path, so how do I get Tufuse to work with it.
Do I rename the tufuse> as enfuse.exe?

No need to rename. Download and save tufuse.exe somewhere, I chose the same dir as the one I installed EnfuseGUI to. Then in options point EnfuseGUI to the tufuse.exe file, as in the screenshot.

digipano wrote:So you mean that under linux it works, I cant get enfuseGUI to work under windows XP pro using tufuse.exe, when I chose a path to tufuse.exe, the file does not show instead it looks for enfuse.exe

tufuse.exe works under wine in linux, EnfuseGUI doesnt.





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by fma38 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:09 pm

DrSlony wrote:but I have no idea how to write a script that knows what it is I selected in gqview and sends that to a program in wine.

It's very simple: in gqview, just add a line in the custom editors, like for 'editing in gimp':

%vwine /home/fma/tufuse.exe -o /tmp/output.tif %f

That's it! %v at the begining means that it will open a window and print all custom editor outputs. Then, the name of the script; here I directly use wine. %f is expanded with all files you selected in gqview. I added a fixed output file name, but if you write all this in a bash script, you can use xdialog. I'll try to write such script this week-end.

Unfortunally, tufuse does not work with my 64bits computer (wine complains about Unhandled page fault) :(






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by GURL » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:10 pm

:) enfuseGUI.exe (february 3, 2008) and tufuse.exe (march 6, 2008) working together on my Windows computer...

Thank you Dr. !
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by fma38 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:24 pm

Ok, here is the script:

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#!/bin/sh

cd `dirname $1`
files=""
for file in $@; do
    files=$files" "`basename $file`
done
wine /opt/tufuse.exe -o `dirname $1`/tufuse.tif $files
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by digipano » Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:41 am

Quite strange I tried on 2 different computers but its not working
I have 1.03 enfuseGUI & I copied tufuse1.31to that directory, now when I go to enfuseGUI options>enfuse path & want to select the path to tufuse.exe, it wont show in the file list bcoz the gui has a file option looking for enfuse application & the file list says no file type found.

So I renamed but that too not working, I then manually typed the path to tufuse.exe in the dialog box & it worked finally.

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by DrSlony » Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:16 am

digipano wrote:it wont show in the file list

When you click on browse, just type *.* in the filename box, hit enter, and you will see all files!

GURL: happy to help :]

fma38: the main problem, or purpose, is to have the script split all the source photos up into photo groups, so I suppose you would have to put all filenames into an array and break up that array into photo groups, and then pass those groups on to tufuse. Output filenames really are not important, anything will do, although I would suggest using the directory name and append ####. I used something like cdialog before and i know its very easy to use, but is it capable of doing things like splitting all the source photos into groups? If not, then I assume im getting no sleep tomorrow either because I'll be learning python :] I was just doing a guestbook and refreshing my php basics.
Once we get the basic photo-grouping script or gui working, we can add less important but very useful stuff, like a slider (from 2 to 12) for specifying the number of brackets per group (terribly simple if we use xdialog), another slider for sigma, and two radio buttons for choosing output bit depth (thx Max Lyons!). Thx fma38! ;]
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by digipano » Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:27 am

Thanks,
last few years completely forgot to use *.*.............spoilt windows GUI user=)=)

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by fma38 » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:30 am

What is the purpose of groups? Is it because you use tufuse *before* using APP? Why don't use APP before, then tufuse the resulting layers (saved as tif images) ?
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by digipano » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:00 am

Sometime when we don't need panos just hdr only then auto sorting of groups like enfuse/tufuse do is quite helpful.

Lets there is 1 day shoot which you have all hdr shots, just drag the folder to enfuseGUI & it will sort out the images & do batch processing.

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by GURL » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:15 am

I used Enfuse and now use TuFuse for some tests: the series of "source" bracketed shots I use come from the DVD included in The HDRI Handbook - Christian Bloch - rockynook - http://www.hdrlabs.com

This is interesting because the DVD includes final versions from the same source images the author (no doubt he is qualified)combined to get HDR files (in various formats) and then "tone mapped" using various applications and different filters (PS tone mapping filters, Picturenaut, Photomatix, FDR Tools, Artizen HDR and ...manual tone mapping using 32bit Photoshop tools.)

I will not write my conclusions because I'm a HDR and tone mapping newbie nor will show you the results I got using Enfuse or TuFuse because I don't know whether or not this could be seen as fair use (en France, on trouve le droit de citation, mais qui ne concerne que les écrits, et exclut les images.)

[sup]To exchange our views about HDR, tone mapping and fusers we badly need image sets having no copyright of any kind attached [/sup]
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by AlexandreJ » Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:47 am

To GURL. I would be interested in any results you made with images fromm the HDRI handbook.
The book results will serve as a background and we will be able to compare enfuse / tufuse to that.

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by DrSlony » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:47 pm

fma38: processing eg. 150 8bit images will take much longer than processing 50 16bit images (or even 50 8bit images if there are no large gradients where all postprocessing is most visible), thats why I use it before APP. Also I dont know how well tufuse uses RAM. With Photomatix I can only do 15 000 x 7 500 pixel panos, not large, with 4GB RAM. Thats quite #### imho, and they're not planning to implement any method of processing a large pano bit by bit. Tufuse doesnt do hdr so I suppose it uses less ram and would let me do bigger panos, but I dont know just how much bigger.

To be fair, I will make a test - 1 pano with bracketed shots (e.g. my room, 33x3 shots) , and then the same pano with fused shots (just 33 shots). I will time: detection with lens optimize, fine tuner and rendering. Then we can be sure.

Would adding the grouping functionality for a dir or set of files to your script be difficult?

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by maxlyons » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:56 pm

I dont know how well tufuse uses RAM

Internally, TuFuse uses 4 channel (red, green, blue, alpha) 16 bit images for processing. So, a 10 Megapixel TIFF file requires 80 MB of RAM (10MP * 4 channels * 2 bytes per channel) when uncompressed in memory. When performing the pyramid operations, TuFuse needs about 1.5 times as much memory as it does to hold a single image. TuFuse also requires some other smaller amounts of memory for other operations. So, as a rough estimate of the amount of RAM needed in bytes, multiply the number of pixels in the input image by 12. For example, TuFuse will need about 120 Megabytes of RAM to process a 10 Megapixel image.

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by DrSlony » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:17 pm

Photomatix needs MPx32 when tonemapping, MPx64 (IIRC) if the '360' option is checked.

Very glad to hear that tufuse only needs x12 :] So with 4GB RAM, assuming I have 3GB free, I can process a 256MP pano, or 22 500 x 11 250 pixels assuming its a 360x180. Which is nice, since thats the typical size of my panos.

I will still do the tests I mentioned. Time taken and output quality will be the two deciding factors. I think it will be good to test one outdoor scene with the sun shining and a clear sky to see which result will offer better color matching and livelier colors, and one indoor scene, e.g. a church, where there are no large gradients. I will do them this week.

AlexandreJ: would you find it useful if I released the source images of these two panos under a creative commons license?
They will comprise of probably 99 10MP jpg shots each (3 x 33). Or do you think 6MP? The smaller they are, the less visible the difference in processing time (detection, fine tuner, rendering) there will be, thats why I dont want to go too small.
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by fma38 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:29 am

DrSlony wrote:Would adding the grouping functionality for a dir or set of files to your script be difficult?

If you need to manually select images in groups, you need a entire GUI, like enfuse; if it can be automatically done using EXIF, then it could be processed in the script. But I don't know how enfuse sort the images...

There is another thing I don't understand: if you tufuse individual images from a pano before processing them in APP, how are they aligned?
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by GURL » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:38 pm

AlexandreJ wrote:To GURL. I would be interested in any results you made with images fromm the HDRI handbook.
The book results will serve as a background and we will be able to compare enfuse / tufuse to that.

Le tour du dossier HDR images\_Bracketed Exposures que j'ai fait avec Enfuse m'a entièrement convaincu: par exemple pour Kitchen Window "15 EV, the hardest one" seul le résultat "tone mapped manually" du DVD est meilleur que Enfuse ou TuFuse (mais un petit coup de Photoshop suffit à  ratraper le différence!)

Ceci dit Il va falloir que je fasse un tri sérieux dans mes résultats:
J'essaie de répondre à  beaucoup de questions à  la fois (peut-être trop, mais c'est des questions très pratiques, très concrètes et très lourdes de conséquences):
- quelle est l'étendue utile pour le bracketing ? (toutes ces images complétement noires ou délavées dont on se demande à  quoi elles peuvent bien servir et qui avec APP provoquent un nombre déraisonnable de liens qu'il faut suprimer un par un)
- une différence aussi faible que 1 EV pour le bracketing est-elle vraiment utile ? (après essais je suis convaincu que 2 EV ça suffit puisque j'ai beaucoup de difficulté à  voir la différence, deux fois moins d'images source et une ou plusieurs centaines de liens en moins sur les panos sphériques ça compterait énormément!)
- pourquoi vouloir à  tout prix un processus entièrement "mécanique" si un petit coup de Photoshop à  la fin facilite grandemant les étapes précédentes (autrement dit y a-t-il nécessité à  ce que le tone mapping ou le fuser donne directement le résultat optimum (pour le moment les résultats que j'ai avec TuFuse manquent de contraste mais ça peut aussi bien être vu comme un avantage que comme un inconvénient!))
- quels sont les cas où Tons foncés/Tons clairs (Photoshop ou autres) ne suffirait pas?

Pour ce qui est de cette dernière question Tons foncés/Tons clairs je parts d'un point de vue très différent du point de vue habituel puisque ma technique (avec PTgui puis avec APP) a consité jusqu'ici à  exposer la rangée du haut pour le ciel et à  exposer la rangée du bas pour le sol puis à  "les accorder" avec l'équivalent Tons foncés/Tons clairs du raw-processeur avant de les assembler (color: NONE - Smartblend - PSD multilayer pour les petites corrections qui sont faciles parce que les deux séries de photos ont des valeur proches donc pas besoin de faire des trous à  bord nets dans le Blended_layer pour ces corrections.)

Je ne partage pas du tout le mépris général pour Tons foncés/Tons clairs (il semble que peu de gens l'utilisent ou n'osent pas le dire.) Je l'utilise depuis longtemps (évidemment pas avec les ridicules valeurs par défaut) dès que le contraste du sujet est élevé (c.a.d. en pratique dans tous les panos 360°, même si en cherchant bien je peux trouver une ou deux exceptions.) Ca me permet tout à  fait d'éviter les ciels bleus roses ou vert près du soleil , les ciels gris trop pâles, les murs blancs surexposés et en même temps les grandes zones où on ne voit rien du tout parce que c'est trop sombre (je les ramène au moins au niveau où, même si on ne voit pas très bien ce qu'il y a, on devine quand même un peu...) Ca m'est complétement égal de savoir si c'est du HDR du LDR, ou du MDR (médium dynamic range :lol:) mais par contre il est clair pour moi que c'est du tone mapping local.

Remarques importantes :
- Je n'ai plus peur du bruit! je considère ce problème comme résolu depuis que je utilise un reflex à  la place des bridges que j'avais avant avec lesquels le bruit était un vrai problème (et pourtant c'est un reflex 4/3 que j'utilise, format décrié "à  cause du bruit".) Quand on a un trépied on a pas besoin de dépasser 100 ISO, ça vient peut-être de là ...

- Il y a des spécialistes - je pense à  Andrey Ilyin et à  Gilles Vidal qui sont des photographes que j'apprécie par ailleurs énormément - sur les panos sphériques desquels je remarque souvent des parties surexposées qui font tâche (et justement l'un comme l'autre se sont mis à  utiliser xxxfuse en poussant des cris de joie!)

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by DrSlony » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:52 am

fma38:

drslony@localhost ~ $ wine tufuse.exe -o tufused.tif -a 16 -w 0001.tif 0002.tif 0003.tif
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err:advapi:service_get_status service protocol error - failed to read pipe r = 0 count = 0!
TuFuse 1.34
(c) Tawbaware Software, 2008
http://www.tawbaware.com/tufuse.htm

Creating Output: tufused.tif
Processing 3 input images in 2 iterations, using 10 levels

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[3/3] Analyzing 0003.tif..........
Iteration 1: No similar exposures found
Iteration 2: 3 images remain to be fused
Fusing 3 images:
0001.tif, exposure=0.08
0002.tif, exposure=1.49
0003.tif, exposure=12.76
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Collapsing..........
Writing tufused.tif



The resulting file looks wonderful :]
Then I edited your script to save 16bit output with deflate compression and blend across the 180° border and set it up in gqview, also works.

Specs:
x86_64 gentoo linux
wine-0.9.57
tufuse.exe v1.34

No segfaults, maybe try my wine version?

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