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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:45 am 
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Hello,
can someone explain me this?
I think this is a problem that need to be solved somehow. It would help us a lot to sale our virtual tours. All the time I listen this: "Yes, it is very nice but I can't display it on my site. It is not supported and..."
Than I say: "No problem I can install that on your site for free."
They say: "Yes but I can't use it on other classifieds and agencies where I'm advertising."
And that is thrue. I can't do that on all sites of the world. And in many cases, others don't want to display the tour as a link because it is on another domain.

Now my question is this. Is it possible to create a system for embed virtual tours that will be supported by a lot of sites? Today everybody uses YouTube video as trusted and all installs their codes.
I suppose it would need that all tours are saved on one site like video is on YouTube. And that site need to be safe and give embed codes that all sites would be able to use if intergrate in the site a virtual tour player where be able to copy/paste the code.
But I can be sattisfied with less, just for my virtual tours stored on my site. As my target are tourist agencies and classifieds, I would like that I can save the tours on my server and display on on my site and offer -embed code- function to everybody. That is easy do do. I have created a classified where people can display virtual tours inside their ads and I am offering them the full service (take photos, create panos and tours). They can have their own touristic accomodation advertised. I can offer them embed code function but the other classifieds and agencies still don't trust to my codes and don't want to use it.
What can I do to change that fact?
Maybe my question will sounds stupid, but why everybody belive to YouTube embeded codes? How to make my own codes safe and trusted for use by other sites?
Is there somethign I can do? Maybe something about terms and conditions, disclaimer, SSL (https), garantie of safe codes... What other sites will accept as a security that my codes can't harm their sites. Maybe needs to be created a player like for you tube and a different codes to embed tours, something like iFrame or other different way...

For example, is it possible to do something about on all sites that offers to install YouTube video embed codes. Is there possible to make them allow to add my codes also (for display my virtual tours)? Users who advertise on sites where I succeed to make that ageement than can add code for display my virtual tour instead or some video from YouTube, Vimeo or other, and the system will recognize it as safe and allow it.

Hope I started an interting discussion for IT specialists.
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Hope I started an interting discussion for IT specialists.

I´m not an IT specialist - but i never heard such complains from clients or client-related web designers/agencies.

In my eyes that´s complete nonsense. You can embed a pano or a tour into EACH html-site
without any issues.
Just place a window in the html-construction and direct the tours´s .swf into it. That´s all.

Every web-designer can do that - even i as a non-web-designer but a photographer can do it: www.360impressions.de

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well than rethink your Business model.
Do I understand it correct: you create a pano & a tour, put it on your Server and than you go to potential customers to sell the tour? and propably to more than one customer not exclusivley?
if this I do understand correct, I can understand the restraints....

create some nice tours as Showcases and go to potential customers to make them an offer to create wonderful exclusive tours for them with individual Content (like themes) etc.
if customer does have own Servers the tour can be placed there, if not, the tour can be placed on your Servers ... the customer does have the choice and can pick the nuggests... the customers are getting XML, html, html5, css, JavaScript files, plain Images and if flashtour is included single SWF files. The local IT (from customers or the external 3rd Party IT can review the files and can inspect the files and classify them as normal secure files not Holding any suspicious code.

if your potential customers does not understand this dont waste time and search for real customers

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Yes Klauss, I do that myself also. But tell me some classifieds for turistic accomodation or real estate that offer you to integrate a html code in their paid ads. I never find one. All them will tell you that for security reasons they not allow external flash and JS content on their sites.
On the other side, most of them offer to embed youtube video in ads.

Next time before you tell something is nonsense, think twice, please. If you want to proof I am wrong, write here at least one well known classified that offers advertising of real estate or tourist accomodation and where anybody registered as advertiser can add a virtual tour. I am sure you will not find it.

I have a lot of people who would like to pay for avirtual tour but they know it is uneusefull to create a web site for that because nobody will find it on the web. To realise bookings they need to advertise on classifieds and by agencies. And there are no classifeds that accept code for embed a virtual tour saved on another server. If you tell me for one, I will be very happy to offer advertising on that site to all people interesed for virtual tours.
The only thing I can do is offer tours on a separate page like this and to add the link in the paid ad. www.8realestate.eu/villa-leonarda
Agencies have their own system of advertising and are not interesed in virtual tours. I tryed also with novasol, a wll known tourist agency. They are happy with middle quality pictures. http://www.novasol.co.uk/

It seams I will be the first to offer virtual tours integration in the ads. Look my site but don't comment the design, please. I nead to pay professionalists for redesign in autumn :) www.8realestate.eu
The classified I am developing will have more functions including booking off course. And a nice design. Everybody will be able to add virtual tours and I will offer a special option. You will be able to take shots and create panoramas, send me the material icluding your logo and I will create a virtual tour from that material, for the price of advertising (example 35-40€ + VAT/year - for one listing).
I am thinking now about what region to work. It would be maybe intersting to offer all the Europe or world and engage all photographers to colaborate. Example you work in Germany I have a request for a tour, I would ask you if you want to take shots and create panoramas and send you to the address for the price you want. Later you can create your own tour and be paid by the customer or I can create it for free from the material I'll recive.
Or I will work only my region maybe and do all the job myself.


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Yes Georg, and where they will display that tour? On their web site that nobody will find. Because today you need a CMS site with SEO optimization on site and off site and all that will be nothing. Tourists are searching for accomodations on sites like this: http://www.housetrip.com/

A lot of them will pay for a tour if it can be displayed on classifieds like that. That's the point.


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osmica wrote:
Yes Georg, and where they will display that tour? On their web site that nobody will find. Because today you need a CMS site with SEO optimization on site and off site and all that will be nothing. Tourists are searching for accomodations on sites like this: http://www.housetrip.com/

A lot of them will pay for a tour if it can be displayed on classifieds like that. That's the point.

I do work for an world wide operating Company in the IT department. YouTube, most other of social... and dropbox and co are rigorously blocked including non Business/Company related Forums etc.
so this is no individual case. In such cases the Chance is good to visit individual Company Websites with success but embedded Content coming from YouTube etc. will be blocked.
So your Argument is not counting in my experience.

the Argument "on their web site that nobody will find" is wrong too. hire an SEO specialist for the Companie s Website. The Company must provide interesting Content - own Content - not Content that suggests to endusers the Content is coming from "opensource/Freeware-world".

"Tourists are searching for accomondations on sites like this..." and this means what? that the pano has to be published at hoursetrip.com? wrong again. customer is searching for accomondation not panos. do advertise on that platform, create XML feed Holding accomondations offers that can be injected to the housetrip.com site. do avertise there with a Flash or static ad and link to your customers site where the accomdation offers and the Fitting panos can be accessed.

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We are talking about a vacation house or luxury apartment for sale or rent. They don't want their own web site and write content and spend all the time on hosting, support and other. They want good presentation and will pay for a virtual tour but all ask me where will be visible???
No good advertising site to support that, no need for virtual tour. In most cases that is the real situation. Somebody likes it and want it because it will be like their "business card".
I am not talking about hotels that really need a web site. Small accomodations don't need a web site. They are interesed just to book as much as possible.

I don't understand this: "create XML feed Holding accomondations offers that can be injected to the housetrip.com site"
Can you explain better what you mean, please?


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Now I have another question for you Georg. Yor told people are not search panos but booking. So what does that mean? I can conclude that you are telling me the presentation of the property or accomodation is not important and it is the same if you offer low quality pictures or high quality pictures and video, virtual tours and other. Nice opinion.
Why than exists photographers and virtual tours? Just for fun?? Nobody needs that for make better booking and earn money? You have probably right, why spend on that...


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Now I have another question for you Georg. Yor told people are not search panos but booking. So what does that mean? I can conclude that you are telling me the presentation of the property or accomodation is not important and it is the same if you offer low quality pictures or high quality pictures and video, virtual tours and other. Nice opinion.
Why than exists photographers and virtual tours? Just for fun?? Nobody needs that for make better booking and earn money? You have probably right, why spend on that...

to Show a pano to the public you Need a Webspace. platform like housetrip.com is free Service. They are not interested to give you free 600MB Webspace to host your tour.
so you have to link it. What is now better if the link goes to gigapan site or YouTube, Facebook (where you also can include panotours) or if the link goes to your customers Website?
Dont you think there could be the danger that potential customers could drift away form your customers offer and search for other panos there?

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We are talking about a vacation house or luxury apartment for sale or rent. They don't want their own web site and write content and spend all the time on hosting, support and other. They want good presentation and will pay for a virtual tour but all ask me where will be visible???

ok I understand that there're no resources to care about IT.
ISP can do that...
Hosting Provider can do that....
locallay advertisement agencies do that for them...
you could do that for them.

an own Website is the cheapest form of advertisement: it is available 24 hours worldwide
to promote the site a SEO specialist can define the requirements for that Website.
The customer must allready have internal Tools to handle bookings. This must be enhanced to create an live/online connection to the Website (so they dont have to Change their workflow nore have to learn X new IT Tools like CMS.

so you can set up an webserver to host the tours for your customers. If customer does not have a Website the tour can be linkt in housetrip.com & co to the tour on your webserver.
If your customers have anown Webspace/webserver than they can link the tour to your Website or they can host the tour by themeselve

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Next time before you tell something is nonsense, think twice, please. If you want to proof I am wrong, write here at least one well known classified that offers advertising of real estate or tourist accomodation and where anybody registered as advertiser can add a virtual tour. I am sure you will not find it.

I didn´t say it´s nonsense what YOU told. I meant the client.

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I got in contact with your site on this panormaa Forum: http://www.kolor.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=117950#p117950
where a discussion is ongoing how to embed a virtual tour (360" Images from an Location) to sites like housetrip.com. the panotour Software from www.kolor.com can create html, html5 and Flash tours. how is it possible to link them into an add/appartment offer on your site (data must not be saved on your site of course). Woudl be great if you could add some Statements about available Options on the Forum above.
thanks in advance,
Georg Kà¤fer
gkaefer@gmx.at
gkaefer @ www.Kolor.com/forum

this I did mail to the housetrip.com Support Team via contact form...
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Thanks George!
There is also another very good classified in Germany where people are booking very good vacations houses: http://www.fewo-direkt.de/
Who knows how many others there are on the market... :)
That are most known and most used from people in my region.

I just see virtual tours as a new tehnology of presentation that would need to be much more represented on the web. I am an enthusiast that want to push it up. I want everybody need a virtual tour :)
I sent you a private email about one my idea in development. Waiting your replay,
Best regards
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Agencies have their own system of advertising and are not interesed in virtual tours. I tryed also with novasol, a wll known tourist agency. They are happy with middle quality pictures. http://www.novasol.co.uk/

Then it seems you are 'stuffed'?

If these companies are making enough profit doing what they are doing why should they want to do something new?

They only reason I can think of is if their clients starting deserting en masse because they wanted to have virtual tours with their listings.

If the existing systems/services result in high booking rates then what advantage could there be to clients to spend more on virtual tours, unless having just adding a VT enabled then to charge more rent which seems a little unlikely.

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I think owners of very nice properties sometimes can't show only with pictures how much is their accomodation better and nicer than others. That kind of properties don't need to be afraid to show all details. In fact it can just attract more the customers to book their accomodation. So you have right, that classifieds really don't need virtual tours to increase their profit. But owners of accomodations can get more bookings then other if offers a better presentation. Would me nice that classifieds allow them to increse bookings of properties with better presentation. Don't you think so?
The only problem is how to securly allow external JS and Flash in the ads and how to control what's going on. In my PM, there is my vision. Hope you will replay!


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