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The "Big" Merlin ? =====>>>>> AllView Mount

by claudevh » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:27 pm

Hello All,

Celestron has anounced the "AllView Mount"
http://www.celestron.com/c3/product.php?CatID=131&ProdID=742
http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=439-277-16243

Thank-you "soteroferreira" ! ;)
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by jeongyun » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:37 pm

claudevh wrote:Hello All,

Celestron has anounced the "AllView Mount"
http://www.celestron.com/c3/product.php?CatID=131&ProdID=742
[url][url]http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=439-277-16243[/url][/url]

Thnk-you Sotero ! ;)

Thank you for the heads-up.
Interesting that they mention panoramic photography.

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by claudevh » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:06 pm

Yes but this head have a load of 10 Kg !
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by Undertable » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:39 am

seems that it has its own tripod.
Not sure if it`s possible to mount it on an other tripod.
Are there standard threads UNC 1/4-20 or UNC 3/8-16?
Are the original pods removable without the use of tools?

For panoramic photography it would be particularly advantageous to keep the base as small as possible.
The smaller the base the less retouch is required (place battery packs into invisible pitch-unit)
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by claudevh » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:28 am

seems that it has its own tripod. Not sure if it`s possible to mount it on an other tripod

Own tripod, can be removed for using another tripod.
Are there standard threads UNC 1/4-20 or UNC 3/8-16?

Yes, standard UNC, 1/4 for camera and 3/8 for tripod
Are the original pods removable without the use of tools?

No tools, the removal system is part of the original tripod.
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by claudevh » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:35 am

Bigs problems will be :

- Global weight : 21 lbs (9.53 kg)
- External batteries
- Probably the price (will be sold with Goto Hand controler and has "new features" like double encoders")
- Foot print quite huge ...

More to come !

Most probably the "good old Merlin" will stay on the catalog !!! I hope really so ...

If some of you have more info's or have seen prototypes or "preserie" PLEASE SHARE !!!
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by AlexandreJ » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:46 am

We manipulate this head on Celestron booth during photokina ( was only a prototype at this time ).
Yes, it is really heavy, not at all the kind of stuff a photographer want in its backpack. The good point is the reversible harm : it allows to put on the head a giant telescope that would hit the background plate in standard telescope setup. That is quite great.

Nevertheless for photography work, I don't think it's an improvement over the old Merlin.

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by gkaefer » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:45 pm

10kg own weight and only 4.8kg payload sound like that the same motors are used...
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*** Edited by Rob - Oct 2012 - The head when separated from the tripod weighs about 4.8 Kg and may be mounted on a different tripod if you wish, it has a center screw hole location for this. The encoders and clutch mechanisms are heavier duty than the Merlin and the clutch may be disengaged allowing free manual rotation while the encoders still track the position. The stepper motors support an upper rate of 1000x which is faster than the Merlin which I believe is 800x ***
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by claudevh » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:41 pm

Hello All,

Skywatcher (the producer) has allways the "Classical Merlin" in his web site and not yet the "Big Merlin" who is probably reserved in the begining to CELESTRON ... one of his affiliate !

I believe and I hope really that the "Classical" will stay in production

So, I have renamed the subject from "New Merlin" to "Big Merlin"
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by mediavets » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:12 pm

I wonder how much of the overall 10kg is represented by that steel tripod?
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by soteroferreira » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:40 pm

10kg for sure I'm not superman! my curiosity goes about the controle system as they say it is a 360 panoramic photo head.
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by soteroferreira » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:58 pm

sorry...forgot: I'm a new one of you!
Hello every body!
360º photo is a wonderfull hobby! I'm waiting for my Merlin that must arrive this week.
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by krtekcz2000 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:40 am

The site says: Preorder - shipping March, 2012 (more than a year after the announcement)

User manual available here in the SUPPORT section:
http://www.celestron.com/astronomy/mounts/celestron-allview-mount.html

or directly here.
http://www.celestron.com/c3/support3/index.php?_m=downloads&_a=downloadfile&downloaditemid=732

I wonder whether it will comnpatible with the current BT dongle and where there will be any reasons for an upgrade.

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by vincen » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:19 am

krtekcz2000 wrote:The site says: Preorder - shipping March, 2012 (more than a year after the announcement)
User manual available here in the SUPPORT section:
http://www.celestron.com/astronomy/mounts/celestron-allview-mount.html
or directly here.
http://www.celestron.com/c3/support3/index.php?_m=downloads&_a=downloadfile&downloaditemid=732
I wonder whether it will comnpatible with the current BT dongle and where there will be any reasons for an upgrade.

Good luck with it, the preversion I have seen two years ago at Photokina were bulky and so heavy !! All the more it doesn't include battery or anything, it's outside and linked to head with a cable !
For bluetooth Module, difficult to know for now, I think we'll need to wait someone gets an unit in hands !

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*** Edited by Rob - Oct 2012- BT module from Claude and Papywizard works fine with the AllView head - The AllView has a battery compartment taking AA rechargeable cells, plus it has a power socket and can be driven from a 12V external Li-Ion CCTV power pack (about 25 Euros) or from a 12v DC 1 A power adapter (about 12 Euros) ***
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by claudevh » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:26 am

Anyway, this head will have a dedicated firmware and "without modifications" Papywizard will not work.

IT IS URGENT TO WAIT ... ;)

*** Edited by Rob - Oct 2012- Papywizard works fine with the AllView head ***
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by AlexandreJ » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:55 pm

Note : we have a prototype of this head here and it does work perfectly with papywizard.

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by klausesser » Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:30 pm

AlexandreJ wrote:Note : we have a prototype of this head here and it does work perfectly with papywizard.

Do you have any informations about the price, speed or precision?

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by vincen » Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:51 pm

AlexandreJ wrote:Note : we have a prototype of this head here and it does work perfectly with papywizard.

but prototype doesn't mean final version will be the same :/ so long final release is not avalaible, no way to know what to expect !
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by AlexandreJ » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:53 pm

No information at all ( it is really heavy but how much it will weight as a final product ... ). We just had to make sure that it works out of the box with papywizard.

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by Paul » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:21 pm

klausesser wrote:Do you have any informations about the price?

399.- $
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by claudevh » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:52 pm

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by skyml » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:22 am

Hey guys - sorry, been away from the forum for a bit - been busy with my Dynamic Perception rig. Was actually in Celestron a few months back and had the op to ak some questions on this mount and the Skywatcher (aka Merlin or Orion Accuter). It is official - the MERLIN is offically discontinued by Celestron :(.

I thought I'd repost this here for all:

Ok... I don't see this as good news for us here, but according to Celestrons Website the new All View mount is available for sale this March (http://www.celestron.com/portal/skywatc ... mount.html) at a whooping $399.

The mount DOES NOT detach from the tripod? Website says "Motorized head detaches for use with most prosumertripods using 3/8” thread" but FAQ says it DOES NOT detach from tripod Manual says nothing.

It does connect to a computer via a cable from the attached hand controller. It DOES have a built in panoramic and time lapse mode in the hand controller. It looks bigger and heavier (manual states 9 lbs) then the Merlin that has been discontinued.

Not sure about it's ability to interface with the MX2. There is a manual online to cover setup and use details (the manual looks like a draft copy).

The time lapse mode looks interesting thought the hand controller interface might be a bit confusing. Basically set the mount to the start point, move it to the end point, set the interval and exposure info and let it go - least that's how I read it.

Many mounting options for the camera. Comes with a cable for Canon EOS Rebel camera (?)

Anyone willing to risk the cash to test this out - am sure many are curious to see your results.
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by AlexandreJ » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:48 am

Hi Skyml,

We still have Merlin in stock :) So hurry up ! lol

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by claudevh » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:52 am

Hello Mike,

Kolor seems to have tested this Allview mount and have reported that Papywizard can work with this mount.
Anyway, as said in the post for Androïd, Skywatcher have published the "Skywatcher API" who is common for most mount of skywatcher and "affiliates" like Celestron.

I my opinion the "Allview mount" is NOT WELL adapted for Panoramic usage ! (too heavy, HUGE base, off-set dimensions for NPP etc ...)

The rumor that Skywatcher will stop the Merlin mount production isn't correct, Celestron will discontinue the commercialisation is true ...

Those are "un-official" informations.
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by my27questions » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:51 am

Hi Everyone,

I'm brand new to the site and to robotic panoramic photography. I've been trying to decide which mount I should use, and have decided on the new Celestron AllView for a couple reasons.

1. It includes the L bracket needed for portrait and landscape panoramas.
2. It supports more weight than the original merlin.
3. It has all the ports needed to use papywizrd (from what I can tell)
4. It will be better suited for long exposure, star tracking photography when I choose to use it.
5. The build quality seem better.

These are just the reasons I gave myself to justify the purchase. Once the mount arrives, I will be more than happy to be the guinea pig for the forum as far as running papywizard, and for any other questions you guys may have. Also, I am wondering if the bluetooth module is something that is required to connect to papywizard, or will a hardline work? I look forward to getting the ball rolling on this mount, we have to start somewhere!

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