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Newest Panoramic Tour

by David_Matthews » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:50 am

All:

Just finished a first draft of a really big job today for a commercial Realtor in Little Rock, Arkansas. It's the historic Packet House for sale.

http://www.arkansaspanorama.com/Packet%20House.html

Thanks for the look-see!

David Matthews
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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by mediavets » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:02 am

Do you plan to add floorplans?

Do you plan to add Descriptions for scenes/panos?

Do you plan to add Titles to panos/scenes?

What do you plan to do about nadirs?

What do you plan to do about your camera/panohead and tripod appearing in mirrors?

I find the hotspot tooltips difficult to read.

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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by klausesser » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:07 pm

mediavets wrote:Do you plan to add floorplans?

Do you plan to add Descriptions for scenes/panos?

Do you plan to add Titles to panos/scenes?

What do you plan to do about nadirs?

What do you plan to do about your camera/panohead and tripod appearing in mirrors?

I find the hotspot tooltips difficult to read.



Funny questioning, Andrew . . . sounds like a kind of inquisition . . . =D :cool:

Klaus
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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by klausesser » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:18 pm

David_Matthews wrote:All:

Just finished a first draft of a really big job today for a commercial Realtor in Little Rock, Arkansas. It's the historic Packet House for sale.

http://www.arkansaspanorama.com/Packet%20House.html

Thanks for the look-see!

David Matthews
arkansas360.co



Hi David!

The whole appearing seems to be quite dark on my calibrated displays.
Definitely too dark - almost unreadable - is the tooltip-text on the hotspots!

I wouldnt use such perspective-distorted views - usually people see that a mistakes.

The whole appearance to me seems dull and somewhat depressing. Needs more brightness,
more "airyness".

Doesn´t come over inviting to me! Looks somewhat "dead" (as we say here).

A last point: i suggest to shoot with more resolution - zooming in only a bit immediately makes it rather blurry.

best, Klaus

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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by mediavets » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:23 pm

klausesser wrote:The whole appearance to me seems dull and somewhat depressing. Needs more brightness,
more "airyness".

Doesn´t come over inviting to me! Looks somewhat "dead" (as we say here).

best, Klaus


Perhaps that's because it is a 'dead' business.

The restaurant is closed and up for sale having apparently failed just two years after opening with a history of rather 'mixed' reviews; and a more recent 'sale' fell though in mysterious circumstances.

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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by Cliquetsy » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:29 pm

klausesser wrote:
Funny questioning, Andrew . . . sounds like a kind of inquisition . . . =D :cool:

Klaus


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No-one ever expects the vets inquisition!!

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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by klausesser » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:21 pm

Cliquetsy wrote:
klausesser wrote:
Funny questioning, Andrew . . . sounds like a kind of inquisition . . . =D :cool:

Klaus


No-one ever expects the vets inquisition!!



=D =D =D :cool: :cool: :cool:

Good lads!

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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by David_Matthews » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:54 pm

Thank you all for your input. Very helpful, indeed. And, Andrew and Klaus (nice MP video, by the way), I took your questions as nothing but constructive--thank you.

You all all correct on your observations and was thinking exactly the same thing. Reality checks are a good thing!

It was really hard to get a proper exposure on the shoot because of such high contrasting dynamic lighting. I was trying to keep the ISO reading at 200 to reduce graininess and that probably contributed to the inconsistency in the panos. I'd push the exposure time to get a good exposure, but it blew out the very bright areas. Had to boost contrast and brightness to a couple in Gimp, but it made them "washed-out."

The shoot had a tight schedule and made it hard to get a nadir shot. I do, however, plan to put "mirror caps" on the tripod head.

I do plan to incorporate floor plans when the Realtor can provide them.

I saw where Panotour is selecting the shadowed tips and I'll change that to plain text and see what happens.

It is, indeed, closed--a most unfortunate deal. They must have spent millions rehabbing the place and it's a turnkey restaurant ready to go. Weird.

Any other comments would be very welcome.

Thanks again, folks. Very good community.

Cheers,

David Matthews

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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by klausesser » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:15 pm

David_Matthews wrote:It was really hard to get a proper exposure on the shoot because of such high contrasting dynamic lighting. I was trying to keep the ISO reading at 200 to reduce graininess and that probably contributed to the inconsistency in the panos. I'd push the exposure time to get a good exposure, but it blew out the very bright areas. Had to boost contrast and brightness to a couple in Gimp, but it made them "washed-out."



I strongly suggest to use bracketing in those situations. 3 steps with 2 EV or 5 steps with 1 EV diference.
This way you can handle extreme contrast very smoothly.

I use Photomatix for achieving this - 3 steps @2EV, Canon 5D2, Canon fisheye 15mm.

http://www.360impressions.de/TourK21.html
http://www.360impressions.de/Wohnung

Sad for the object - very interesting estate!

Klaus

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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by David_Matthews » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:09 pm

Is the workflow as follows:

1. Take however many bracketed shots (say three) of each position (I use eight positions that will result in a total of 24 shots for every scene).

2. Stitch together all three panoramas.

3. Use the software to combine the three completed panoramas.

It would seem if you combined before you stitched, you would get different sections, so you just want to bracket the finished three panoramas, correct?

Thanks, man,

David

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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by mediavets » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:52 pm

David_Matthews wrote:Is the workflow as follows:

1. Take however many bracketed shots (say three) of each position (I use eight positions that will result in a total of 24 shots for every scene).

2. Stitch together all three panoramas.

3. Use the software to combine the three completed panoramas.

It would seem if you combined before you stitched, you would get different sections, so you just want to bracket the finished three panoramas, correct?

Thanks, man,

David

No.

Either:

1. Process the bracketed exposures (fro each shooting position) before stitching with third-party software such as Photomatix and then stitch the resulting single images per shooting position.

Or.

2. Use APG's built-in exposure fusion capability; create 'stacks', use hard links within stacks.

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The built-in AEB capability of most DSLRs may be inadequate cover the dynamic range presented by many pano scenes.

The Promote Control device enables extended exposure bracketing:
http://www.promotesystems.com/products/ ... ntrol.html

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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by klausesser » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:10 pm

mediavets wrote:Either:

1. Process the bracketed exposures (fro each shooting position) before stitching with third-party software such as Photomatix and then stitch the resulting single images per shooting position.

Or.

2. Use APG's built-in exposure fusion capability; create 'stacks', use hard links within stacks.


I definitely suggest version 1.
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mediavets wrote:The built-in AEB capability of most DSLRs may be inadequate cover the dynamic range presented by many pano scenes.

The Promote Control device enables extended exposure bracketing:
http://www.promotesystems.com/products/ ... ntrol.html


Depends - these days more and more DSLRs provide an appropriate range for bracketing . .

Canon has the advantage to provide 2 EV (my 5D2) - while Nikon needs more shots @1EV . . at least that´s the case with my D800).

Here Promote Control is of great help - but i also can delete two of the 5 images of 1EV and get 3 images of 2EV. Anyway Promote Control is a very
fine utility.

Klaus

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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by David_Matthews » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:25 pm

Getting GREAT results from my 60D and Photomatix!

Just seeing what can be done. Used no pano head and watermarks included in stitch.

Where has this been all my life?
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Re: Newest Panoramic Tour

by klausesser » Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:40 am

David_Matthews wrote:Getting GREAT results from my 60D and Photomatix!

Just seeing what can be done. Used no pano head and watermarks included in stitch.

Where has this been all my life?



Yeahh! Well done!! :cool:

Klaus


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