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How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:45 am
by immersiva.it
Hallo,
I have to reduce (from full 36x180 pano images) their field of view for making invisible some elements.
(I have 50 panos and different masking)
I always thinked that cropping panos it could helps me but this crop works only for vertical crop, not horizzontal crop that I need.

What can i do?


Thanks

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos  [SOLVED]

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:48 am
by mediavets
immersiva.it wrote:Hallo,
I have to reduce (from full 36x180 pano images) their field of view for making invisible some elements.
(I have 50 panos and different masking)
I always thinked that cropping panos it could helps me but this crop works only for vertical crop, not horizzontal crop that I need.

What can i do?


Thanks


Select the pano, manually edit the HFOV from 360 to 359 in panorama properties, deselect and reselect the pano and you will find you now have crop handles also on the H axis.

Crop as desired, then change the HFOV back to 360.

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 1:55 pm
by immersiva.it
Yes, it works.

Is not much ergonomic but ... it should be in the next new release.... ;-)

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:03 pm
by klausesser
immersiva.it wrote:Yes, it works.

Is not much ergonomic but ... it should be in the next new release.... ;-)



You also can do it by editing the xml - limiting movements by editing numbers. Works fine.

I did it here for a client - just by typing in a certain hor. and vert. angle: http://www.licht-im-raum.de/de/showroom ... lerie.html

Klaus

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:13 pm
by immersiva.it
I've a lot of panoramas. it could be very slowly for me xml editing.
this is one of my standard works
http://immersiva.it/brescia

now i'm working for 1000 miglia race. 60 panos in a day (with editing and pubblishing) :-)
That's why I need speed

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:27 pm
by klausesser
immersiva.it wrote:I've a lot of panoramas. it could be very slowly for me xml editing.
this is one of my standard works
http://immersiva.it/brescia

now i'm working for 1000 miglia race. 60 panos in a day (with editing and pubblishing) :-)
That's why I need speed



Well - then leave them as they are. :cool:

Klaus

PS: at least i suggest to take care of chromatic abberations!

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:30 pm
by immersiva.it
:-) ah ah ah! Really!!
For 1000 Miglia race there is a lot of people around cars and the interest should be the cars, not the ghosts all around they.

PS: now a left all panos at 360...

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:46 pm
by mediavets
immersiva.it wrote:I've a lot of panoramas. it could be very slowly for me xml editing.
this is one of my standard works
http://immersiva.it/brescia

now i'm working for 1000 miglia race. 60 panos in a day (with editing and pubblishing) :-)
That's why I need speed


The 'walk through' style of navigatiion with hotpots doesn't excite me.

Results in too many uninteresting scenes IMO.

I'd rather have 'map' (floorplan) with hotspots, to provide context, and thumbnails.

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:31 pm
by immersiva.it
Yes, maybe you like single and simple one shot project.
We say: "de gustibus non est disputandum" :-)

I don't like many hotspot in a map. I made so many times but now a dislike because it's never used by users.

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:48 pm
by mediavets
immersiva.it wrote:Yes, maybe you like single and simple one shot project.
We say: "de gustibus non est disputandum" :-)

I don't like many hotspot in a map. I made so many times but now a dislike because it's never used by users.


OK - we'll agree to differ.

I find it hard to imagine that casual viewers of the tour will be willing to go from hotspot to hotspot on a walk-through of tens of scenes.

I had to go through 3 0r 4 scenes/panos just to get in through the main gate, and was losing the will to live by then.

I believe your thumbnails could be improved with more informative titles/tooltips.

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 6:51 pm
by klausesser
mediavets wrote:I find it hard to imagine that casual viewers of the tour will be willing to go from hotspot to hotspot on a walk-through of tens of scenes.



I definitely agree here. I have the same problem - my business-partner insisted on this way of go-through the tour.
I myself don´t like it much - i mean it´s a bit boring.

Currently i´m re-designing the 360impressions site - i quit the collaboration with my partner.

Basically it´s a question of a certain design - that´s quite individual.

best, Klaus

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:22 pm
by immersiva.it
"my business-partner insisted on this way of go-through the tour."
..but I ask you... wich is the alternative? very little project.

I think your opinion is done only by a strange fear of quantity.

In the past I reached a record of 30.000 panos in a day, around Italy i made 1 million panos, before google starts with its street view Italy was covered by panos. I don't have any fear of quantity :-)

this is quantity and quality for me: http://immersiva.it/varese/viasacra/
also this: http://immersiva.it/lovere/santamaria

but single "aerial" panos i make only for this type:
http://immersiva.it/lovere/volo/

;-)

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:49 pm
by klausesser
immersiva.it wrote:I think your opinion is done only by a strange fear of quantity.



I have not fear about quantity - wen there´s enough is time to produce quality.

look here: http://www.360impressions.de/K21Full/ (klick on "Fullscreen")

I mean going the whole tour by using the spots is boring.
Using the thumbnails is better - but it´s hard to have an orientation.

Another example:

http://360impressions.de/KBogen413/

Using the combobox instead of the hotspots brings you directly to what´s in your interest.

Combining combobox and thumbnails might be a better choice - especially with many szenes.

I do not shoot panos with verey much szenes - but see here:

http://www.360impressions.de/EllerPad/

I guess that´s a good way to navigate.

Klaus

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:06 pm
by immersiva.it
in the way of personalism, i don't like long and slow zoom in and zoom out like a blocket direction. I prefer free navigation.

It's sure that object and location frequently do this choice for us.
Here i used thumbnails navigator like yours but IMHO I don't like so much. I think is confused.: http://immersiva.it/coccaglio/villacalini/ and don't utilizable in case of very high number of panos.

Usually I make also a map with hotspot (all) but is noise and boring opening and closing map all the time.

In my street/urban relief i follow an itineray, and user can follows it by next/previous botton, but same "free change of direction" i think is necessary. Also many people, viewing panos stay blocked seeing image and never interact :-| hotspots is really necessary.

Yes , if relief is only one virtual tour or a low number of it that thumbails can be all showed in screen all these problems they don't exist.

Listbox... really I hate it! :-)

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:16 pm
by immersiva.it
big problem that I have to solve now is....
http://immersiva.it/brescia/millemiglia.html
do you undestand? people and faces!

ehm .. and .. there's no hotspots! :-D

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 11:01 pm
by mediavets
immersiva.it wrote:big problem that I have to solve now is....
http://immersiva.it/brescia/millemiglia.html
do you undestand? people and faces!

ehm .. and .. there's no hotspots! :-D


Is there some legal requirement to obscure faces in Italy?

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 9:31 am
by immersiva.it
We are full of legal problems about work in italy. work easly it's impossible.
Making everything is a problem. We're full of beauty to shoot photo but it's hard to have permission, authorization, etc.

Most of faces you see was blurred by its moving in scene, but more of them I must blur manually.
I've a masking software but for only 60 panos.... handly!

in Germany don't so many problems?

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 9:49 am
by mediavets
immersiva.it wrote:We are full of legal problems about work in italy. work easly it's impossible.
Making everything is a problem. We're full of beauty to shoot photo but it's hard to have permission, authorization, etc.

Most of faces you see was blurred by its moving in scene, but more of them I must blur manually.
I've a masking software but for only 60 panos.... handly!

in Germany don't so many problems?


I'm in the UK - and as far as I know there would be no problem showing the faces of the people in your example tour

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:25 pm
by klausesser
mediavets wrote:
immersiva.it wrote:big problem that I have to solve now is....
http://immersiva.it/brescia/millemiglia.html
do you undestand? people and faces!

ehm .. and .. there's no hotspots! :-D


Is there some legal requirement to obscure faces in Italy?



Should be no problem on public places like streets also in Italy.

But it´s looking VERY ugly having such heavy ghosting.

I suggest to mask the ghosts.

Klaus

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:31 pm
by klausesser
immersiva.it wrote:I've a masking software but for only 60 panos.... handly!



A good working masking feature is implementetd in APG or PTGui. But you need to do it manually.
Take your time - "Nothing comes from nothing" as we say here . . ;-))

But APG also provides some kind of real good working ghost-compensation (well- to a certain extend).
Have a look into the documentation.

Klaus

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:34 pm
by klausesser
mediavets wrote:
immersiva.it wrote:We are full of legal problems about work in italy. work easly it's impossible.
Making everything is a problem. We're full of beauty to shoot photo but it's hard to have permission, authorization, etc.

Most of faces you see was blurred by its moving in scene, but more of them I must blur manually.
I've a masking software but for only 60 panos.... handly!

in Germany don't so many problems?


I'm in the UK - and as far as I know there would be no problem showing the faces of the people in your example tour


Same in Germany. Public places.

Aside from shooting commercially for advertising - which is not the case here - you don´t need kind of releases.

Klaus

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 1:26 pm
by immersiva.it
Masking don't works fine in all cases.
What I mean is that you don't yet understand that speed of "shooting/publishing", like "industrial shooting" if you want, it's very different from artigianal/artistic shooting/publishing.

I know every possibility to have clean scenes, beautiful colors, exellent stich and so on, but all of this extra work needs a lot of time and for these works there isn't.

I can use also a ND filters for my shots, stay 20 minutes (or more) shooting for a single panos, spending hours for adjust stich and masking all I don't want and I don't need, but it's impossible shooting and be online in 5 hours. (for these project of 1000 Miglia cars I shooting for 1 hour and an half (61 full panos), come back studio, stich, edit in 3 hours and upload during the night.

I ask you, how many time you think you need to publish a project like this and with quality and problem solving you say? :-)

Now, with project online, I can (I try now) take photos of one pano, stich and mask best way I can and take time I need for one single pano. :-)

I.E. for this I have not been in a hurry:_ http://immersiva.it/project/hotel-des-iles-borromees/

Is always time to choice time or other for me.

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 1:33 pm
by mediavets
immersiva.it wrote:Masking don't works fine in all cases.
What I mean is that you don't yet understand that speed of "shooting/publishing", like "industrial shooting" if you want, it's very different from artigianal/artistic shooting/publishing.

I doubt that Klaus will ever agree with you because I don't think he would never undertake an 'industrial shooting' project as a matter of principal.

I can use also a ND filters for my shots, stay 20 minutes (or more) shooting for a single panos, spending hours for adjust stich and masking all I don't want and I don't need, but it's impossible shooting and be online in 5 hours. (for these project of 1000 Miglia cars I shooting for 1 hour and an half (61 full panos), come back studio, stich, edit in 3 hours and upload during the night.

Was this a paid commission? Was the client satisfied with the result?

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 1:40 pm
by immersiva.it
I don't really know why you don't WANT to understand what I mean.

It seems that you want only be unpleasant... lol
I made this question:
"I ask you, how many time you think you need to publish a project like this and with quality and problem solving you say?"

No, is not commercial. It's for timely informations about race and event

Re: How Reduce field of view of single panos

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 1:47 pm
by klausesser
immersiva.it wrote:Masking don't works fine in all cases.
What I mean is that you don't yet understand that speed of "shooting/publishing", like "industrial shooting" if you want, it's very different from artigianal/artistic shooting/publishing.


Well - not too hard to understand, you know . . . :lol: :cool:

immersiva.it wrote:Now, with project online, I can (I try now) take photos of one pano, stich and mask best way I can and take time I need for one single pano. :-)


I don´t know anything about your hardware - so:

Given you use a real precise manual head or a precise motorized head writing XMLs you can make a template resp. generate a pattern which
stitches all your shoots in some few minutes as batch.

In terms of masking - here i suggest to use a manual head and look through the finder whether there are people in your fov or not. Takes some more minutes to shoot but saves plenty of time afterwards by no need for masking.

Klaus