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Contribute to the panorama photo book of the year!

by AlexandreJ » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:18 pm

We are all excited and impatient about the new big project of Kolor: we propose all Autopano Pro users to contribute to a book entirely dedicated to them!

150 to 200 pages of outstanding panoramic photos, superb printing quality, English and French commentaries, annual release… we will do everything to make this great contributive project the reference book in panoramic photography!

We invite all of you, amateur or professional photographers, to take part in this unique adventure!!! We will publish at least one of each user’s photos.

This is your book and we will be fully receptive to your potential suggestions.

This book is to be published in November 2008; you will be able to begin sending your images very shortly, via a dedicated webpage.

Get to your cameras!

The whole Kolor team

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Contribuez au livre d’images panoramiques de l’année !

Nous sommes tous très excités et impatients au sujet du nouveau grand projet de Kolor : nous proposons à  tous les utilisateurs d’Autopano Pro de contribuer à  un livre qui leur est entièrement dédié !

150 à  200 pages de magnifiques photos panoramiques, superbe qualité d’impression, commentaires en français et en anglais, publication annuelle… tout sera fait pour que ce beau projet contributif devienne l’ouvrage de référence de la photographie panoramique !

Nous vous invitons tous, photographes amateurs ou professionnels, à  faire partie de cette aventure unique !!! Nous publierons au moins une des photos proposées par chacun d’entre vous.

C’est votre livre et nous serons bien entendu très réceptifs à  vos éventuelles suggestions.

Ce livre paraîtra en novembre 2008 ; vous pourrez bientôt commencer à  nous envoyer vos images via une page dédiée sur notre site.

A vos appareils !

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by klausesser » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:53 pm

Hi Alexandre!

Great idea! And i´m sure, very helpful for all of us to have a detailed reference . . :P :cool:

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by Rico » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:13 pm

Hello Alexandre,

That sounds great. I am looking forward to submitting some images for this! Excellent idea!

Rico

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by marco-pano » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:59 pm

Bonjour,
Ouaou, quel superbe projet, cela sera le livre de l'année en photos panoramiques, j'en suis certain.

A moi de faire mon panorama de l'année d'amateur. Marco, trouves les sites, les ambiences de couleurs. Pour le reste, confiance en qq applications (HDR, finition) et surtout APP. :)
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by taf » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:40 pm

Superbe idée...

Pour les photos, il vous faut quelles dimensions ? Et quelle résolution min ?
Ca va être dur de faire un choix d'un seul pano... ;)
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by fma38 » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:26 am

Le topo de Denis Tremblay lors de la journée APP à  donné des idées, à  ce que je vois ;)

Quelle sera la date limite des envois ? On peut en envoyer plusieurs ? C'est vous qui ferez le choix final, ou ce sea par vote ?
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by yffic » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:36 pm

Génial... tu peux compter sur ma participation.
C'est une super idée !!!!!

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by taf » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:41 pm

on peut avoir des infos sur le format qu'aura le bouquin ?

Ce sera un truc genre avec pages qui se déplient ? Pour pouvoir rentrer des panos genre 120cm * 21cm ?
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by AlexandreJ » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:02 pm

Nous sommes en train d'étudier le livre, mais notre but est de faire un très beau livre si possible avec des pages à  volets qui se déplient ( en 1 ou 2 volets supplémentaires ).
- Taille approximative : 20 cm x 30 cm en paysage.
- entre 150 et 200 pages.
- chaque auteur proposera des images ( entre 1 et 10 ( 20 ), ne sait pas encore exactement )
Nous tenons à  ce que toutes les personnes qui contribuent à  ce projet aient au moins une image minimum dans le livre ( et même si la qualité estetique / graphique / sujet pourrait justifier de ne rien mettre d'un auteur ). C'est un projet communautaire : tous ceux qui participent ont un droit d'avoir une photo, voila ! C'est le seul point auquel je tiens vraiment beaucoup.
Certaines personnes auront plusieurs images, oui, probable. Comment le choix va se faire ?
Comment organiser tous ces panoramas pour en faire un livre cohérent ? Tout cela est en discussion et peut-être débattu.

En fait, c'est vraiment une idée que nous avons depuis longtemps et qui nous tient à  coeur : un beau livre de panoramas tout simplement.
(Oui fma38, le topo de Denis nous a inspiré ;) )

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We are currently working on this project; our goal is to create a very beautiful book with, if possible, several foldaway pages.
- Approx. size : 20 x 30 cm (landscape format)
- 150 to 200 pages
- Each one can propose between 1 and 10 (or 20) images… (to be defined)

We are very wedded to get all contributors have at least one image in the book (even if the artistic or graphical quality could justify not to put anything from a particular photographer). It’s a community project: all contributors have the right to have one of their photos in the book! It’s the only important point for me.

It is possible that some people will have several images in the book.
How to choose the photos? How to organize all those panoramas to create a consistent book? All this is to be discussed and debated.

It’s actually an idea that we had a long time ago and that we really value. Just a beautiful book of panoramas.

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by beeloba » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:09 pm

Je sais pas qui t'as inspiré, mais c'est super comme idée :)

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by taf » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:25 pm

Ca va être difficile de trouver un theme commun, ou un classement pour les panos dans le bouquin... Car les panos risquent d'être très très différents les uns des autres.

Mais bon, on verra peut être quand tout le monde aura propose ses oeuvres, peut être qu'une "trame" se dessinera entre tous nos travaux...
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by Fanfan » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:52 pm

Excellente idée ! Et puis une belle impression est toujours un régal à  voir. Je veux bien participer à  l'aventure.

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by DrSlony » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:22 pm

I believe I speak on behalf of every non-french speaking person here that if you can speak english, please use it in this thread. Since this is to be a collaboration I think its important that everyone understand whats being said. Babelfish doesn't translate French to English very well.

I propose a black background with no wasted room for frames.

I was thinking of sorting the photos by country of origin but that doesnt make much sense since it's quite probable that there wont be more than 1 photograph (or set of photographs from the same photographer) from each country, so next idea was to sort it by photographer surname/nick - that would make most sense if we were the book's intended audience.


Who is the intended audience?

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by Panorama fanatic » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:34 pm

You can select any from http://skoblov.livejournal.com

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by [bo] » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:02 pm

Who will "sponsor" this book? I suppose it'll be printed on Team Autopano's expenses, with hope of returning the investment by selling the book? Being in the prepress/print/publishing business myself, I cannot help but wander if that will be a feasible undertaking, speaking financially...

I can easily see such 160 page (1/8 of a full-format), full color, deluxe paper, hard cover + jacket, etc... production costs go above 10 euros a book with 1000 books emission, and that's local prices. I assume in France those would be double, so we're talking 20K euros upfront and I'm not sure you'll be able to sell a thousand or more books at 35-40 euro a piece, (again, assuming the distributors there work a similar scheme like the ones we have at home, and, assuming you're looking for a tiny profit).
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by marco-pano » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:07 pm

taf wrote:... les panos risquent d'être très très différents les uns des autres.

Tu as raison, Taf. Mais ce n'est pas toi (qui voyages au Chili, aux USA et Pétaouchnok...) qui niera que la différence fait la richesse.

Je ne pense pas que la technique (D-SLR/autres, bracket/non, full 360x180/partiel...) soit un bon critère, sauf peut-être les Gigapixels méritant un chapitre particulier. Un classement est possible : la région du monde de prise de vue, ou le style de panorama (paysages, architecture, la vie en ville, au chaud chez soi...).
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You are right, Taf. But you travel in many countries, you can't deny that "differences bring valuable interest".

I don't think that technics (D-SLR/others, bracket/single, full 360x180/partial...) is a good criteria, except for Gigapixels that may need a special chapter. Panoramas can be sorted : by world region where taken, by subject (landscape, architecture, life in town, my sweet home...).
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by DrSlony » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:56 pm

There are ways of publishing that do not require you to order an x amount of copies. They are called self-publishing service providers. One such provider that I know of (or the ONLY provider that I know of :] ) is Xlibris who publish the book K-PAX IV.

I would recommend that a list be created of all the people interested in contributing to this book, so we both know who's on it and what that person contributed, so no-one who's interested gets missed.

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by taf » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:35 am

marco-pano wrote:
taf wrote:... les panos risquent d'être très très différents les uns des autres.

Tu as raison, Taf. Mais ce n'est pas toi (qui voyages au Chili, aux USA et Pétaouchnok...) qui niera que la différence fait la richesse.

Houla, c'est sur... je ne souhaite absolument pas l'unicité de genre... C'est clair que plus il y aura de panos différents (technique, sujet, etc...) plus le bouquin sera intéressant, et c'est surement ce que recherche Alexandre...
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by AlexandreJ » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:11 am

'[bo wrote:']Who will "sponsor" this book? I suppose it'll be printed on Team Autopano's expenses, with hope of returning the investment by selling the book? Being in the prepress/print/publishing business myself, I cannot help but wander if that will be a feasible undertaking, speaking financially...

We will handle this book financially. Our aim is that everyone can get this book at a reasonable price. Financially, our goal for this project is zero : no extra cost, no more incomes : a zero profit. So we still need to estimate the number of book and the average unit price of the book charged by the printer. To this, we need to add shipping cost.
Our first estimation is that each book could be around 35 euros, but it will more depend on the print quantity ( 1000, 2000, 3000, more ? we don't know yet ).
Apparently, you are all enjoying this idea, so perhaps it will have the success we need to reduce cost and final price for everyone :)

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by [bo] » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:47 am

DrSlony wrote:There are ways of publishing that do not require you to order an x amount of copies. They are called self-publishing service providers.

Oh I'm pretty familliar with those services, be assured. The fact is there is no way a piece-by-piece production can be cheaper than a mass-produced item, and the quality *can* vary. Anyway, I see that the price Alex quoted is the same as my estimate, so...
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by fma38 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:25 pm

Faudra peut-être brancher Guy P. qui a bossé dans ce secteur...
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by Rico » Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:55 am

Alexandre,
I did the scanning and color work for the book "Kentucky Wide" published about a year ago. This beautiful book By Jeff Rogers was all panoramas and all film based, 6x17, 6x12, and a few X-Pans.

My point is that a key factor in printing quality is gamut control, and as such I would suggest that all contributors to the new APP book check the CMYK "out of gamut" preview within Photoshop to be sure the colors will reproduce properly...

Also I would suggest that all images are submitted in the same colorspace, for example "Adobe RGB 1998" for later conversion to CMYK. Furthermore, I might suggest some standard sizing and DPI parameters be established...

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by machart » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:57 pm

hello, guys!

1. the idea with the book is GREAT!
2. i agree with bo. there are only 2 ways of doing such a project:
- offset print technique: good quality, if worked out the right way
but you need at least 2.000 to have a good price... you need a lot of money at one time
- on demand laser production: it MAY be good quality... but maybe not...
on demand means no risc with the money, but on the other hand a quite high price for one book and a changing quality...
3. color profile: adobe RGB 1998 is not the right one... (for offset) i think it should be converted to some cmyk-iso-fogra profile... (if its printed in europe)
if you do it in laser technique, the foto pro profile is the right one...

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by AlexandreJ » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:45 am

machart wrote:1. the idea with the book is GREAT!

Thanks. "I have a dream" ... in fact, it was a book :)

machart wrote:2. i agree with bo. there are only 2 ways of doing such a project:
- offset print technique: good quality, if worked out the right way
but you need at least 2.000 to have a good price... you need a lot of money at one time
- on demand laser production: it MAY be good quality... but maybe not...
on demand means no risc with the money, but on the other hand a quite high price for one book and a changing quality...

Yes, I agree that we should have enough demand to be able to do offset. I think that we can achieve that.

machart wrote:3. color profile: adobe RGB 1998 is not the right one... (for offset) i think it should be converted to some cmyk-iso-fogra profile... (if its printed in europe)
if you do it in laser technique, the foto pro profile is the right one...

Perhaps. I'm not expert in that area :) But we'll find the good partner to answer every technical question to such a project.

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by ThomasPF » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:57 am

Thats really a cool idea.
Just got the idea to make an exhibition with all the big prints of the panos in the book?
Could be spectacular and will for sure help to raise the demand.
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