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by gkaefer » Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:05 am


klaus, why do you choose to have only a fullscreen button in your panos. The zoom in and out can be done by shift and STRG/CRT keys - clear, but your way i think its not so handy for users not familar with krpano features....
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by klausesser » Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:13 am

gkaefer wrote:klaus, why do you choose to have only a fullscreen button in your panos. The zoom in and out can be done by shift and STRG/CRT keys - clear, but your way i think its not so handy for users not familar with krpano features....

Hi Georg!

You´re right. Navigation should be explained. That will come in the final version of the site as text.
I want to have as few icons in the picture as i can. I hate a battery of clumsy icons spread over the image . . :cool:

We´re actually working on a design to stand for the whole site as a kind of CI.

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by john_willetts » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:31 am

Klaus,

You really do have problems with your Nadirs, don't you.

1/. Viewers need tips - not necessarity masses of instructions.

2/. You don't have to have a battery of icons spread over the image. Take a look at any of my panos - discrete, with tips and can be slid out of the way - all done with Pano2VR's skin editor.

3/. Is this an example (using a KRpano button) made with your 'specialist' software?

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by mediavets » Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:20 pm

john_willetts wrote:Take a look at any of my panos - discrete, with tips and can be slid out of the way - all done with Pano2VR's skin editor.

John

Let's have some links to your exemplars of 'The Joy of the Pano2VR Skin Editor' (by your account it's better than s*x). ;)
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by klausesser » Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:03 pm

john_willetts wrote:Klaus,

You really do have problems with your Nadirs, don't you.

1/. Viewers need tips - not necessarity masses of instructions.

2/. You don't have to have a battery of icons spread over the image. Take a look at any of my panos - discrete, with tips and can be slid out of the way - all done with Pano2VR's skin editor.

3/. Is this an example (using a KRpano button) made with your 'specialist' software?

John

John,

quite obviously i showed work in progress :rolleyes:

"You really do have problems with your Nadirs, don't you."

No.

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by mediavets » Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:51 pm

john_willetts wrote:2/. You don't have to have a battery of icons spread over the image. Take a look at any of my panos - discrete, with tips and can be slid out of the way - all done with Pano2VR's skin editor.

John

Perhaps I missed something but I didn't find any virtual tours on your web site, only single panos:
http://www.j-a-willetts-esq.com/

By virtual tours I mean two or more panos linked together via some sort of coherent navigation system - hotspots, or thumbnails, or a map, or ....
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by klausesser » Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:53 pm

mediavets wrote:
john_willetts wrote:2/. You don't have to have a battery of icons spread over the image. Take a look at any of my panos - discrete, with tips and can be slid out of the way - all done with Pano2VR's skin editor.

John

Perhaps I missed something but I didn't find any virtual tours on your web site, only single panos:
http://www.j-a-willetts-esq.com/

By virtual tours I mean two or more panos linked together via some sort of coherent navigation system - hotspots, or thumbnails, or a map, or ....

rarely 360x180 (often lacks Nadir - problems with it, John? :P) and fullscreen-resolution isn´t impressing at all in spite of a slow loading time (i have 16MB cable).
Lots of CA at the landscapes (especially at the nevertheless very fine fog-shot).

But honestly: i like the the site´s design! The navigation button solution is elegant - very fine!


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by john_willetts » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:10 pm

http://www.j-a-willetts-esq.com/ppsnowbridge.html

This is the most recent. I'm not making excuses because I agree with everything you say, Klaus. The Nadirs might not be perfect, I'm not as good as you but at least you won't see the tripod - I'm spending these dark winter days redoing everything with NX2 and Autopano Pro, for a new Portfolio which will have at least a year's shelf live. Hence my urgent interest in KRPano and desire to use a simplified version of my existing interface - why, because people know it.

However, FPP's poor documentation and now Page Flip's expectation of Flash expertise which I am struggling with I am extremely wary of XML. (This is why I'm wasting time writing this to avoid having to do some real work).

Andrew, I don't do Virtual Tours, I think they're to complex for the average punter. I prefer a narrative style - which is why I've gone for Virtual Walks - which are sitting somewhere on my provider's hard drive and is another reason why I have to redo the Portfolio.

Can't think of any more reasons not to get back to Flash - oh yes I can, it's coffee time.

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by klausesser » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:31 pm

john_willetts wrote:The Nadirs might not be perfect, I'm not as good as you but at least you won't see the tripod -

That´s not a question of being "good" or not - it´s a question of how important it is to see the Nadir. I mean it´s not important in 90% of all cases (who cares for the floor under the camera . . ).
But sometimes it is - i did insert the Nadir in another version of this pano (QT-version) but not in this version yet.

What i think is definitely important is the resolution/sharpness and the loading time - and here my experiences using P2VR showed it´s not good.
But maybe i used wrong settings or so - it´s some time ago.

KRPano´s image quality also depends on the Flash-player version.Version 9 isn´t as good as Version 10 in displaying diagonal lines/edges and overall-sharpness. The "High" or "HighSharp" option and setting of detail-quality in the xml helps a lot with keeping details alive when played with FlashPlayer10.

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by mediavets » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:32 pm

john_willetts wrote:However, FPP's poor documentation .........

Just out of interest did you ever try Flashificator - the GUI front-end/XML generator for FPP?

Andrew, I don't do Virtual Tours, I think they're to complex for the average punter. I prefer a narrative style - which is why I've gone for Virtual Walks -

How does one of your Virtual Walks differ from a virtual tour?
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by john_willetts » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:13 am

Andrew,

In my book, a Virtual Walk is linear: A,B,C,D,E whereas a Virtual Tour is random: A,E,C ....

I did try Trausti's first version of Flashificator shortly before I discovered Pano2VR. It works. From what I understand, Flashificator is still under development.

I quite agree with Klaus' comments about Pano2VR's quality. It's very frustrating to see how much is lost from the original equis and I can't find a satisfactory solution. But in spite of this, the Skin Editor outweighs this. Take a look at the Pano2VR Forum and see what people have achieved.

Has anyone out there produced a pan with KRP with a different interface?

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by [bo] » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:30 am

Klaus, the house shown on the first panorama - where it is located and is that for rent or just a house of a friend? I really liked the interiors!
Some of my panoramas, posted in the Autopano Pro flickr group.

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by mediavets » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:44 am

john_willetts wrote:Has anyone out there produced a pan with KRP with a different interface?

John

Of course they have - here's a couple by Karine et Thierry Kergroac'h - http://www.arrets-sur-images.com/index.html:
http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/visite-grand-port/index.html
http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/visite-jardins-secrets/index.html
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by spherorama » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:03 pm

This tutorial may help to increase the quality of flash export in Pano2VR : http://gardengnomesoftware.com/tutorial.php?movid=10_2
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by klausesser » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:39 pm

'[bo wrote:']Klaus, the house shown on the first panorama - where it is located and is that for rent or just a house of a friend? I really liked the interiors!

Hi Bo!

It´s indeed the house of good friends from Düsseldorf. They want to sell it - it´s located in Soller/Mallorca. Beautiful place with some thousands of square meters ground.

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by john_willetts » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:30 pm

Thanks, Bo. It's a new one.

Andrew thanks, the first link got a 404.
The other two were lovely pans and the sound was perfect. However, the interface, though pretty wasn't particularly sophisticated. Can you - or anyone else, come up with anything matching PanoV2R?

Or, is there any way of importing the Pano2VR skin XMLs into KRP?

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by mediavets » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:29 pm

john_willetts wrote:Can you - or anyone else, come up with anything matching PanoV2R?

John

Please provide a link to something you consider a good example, produced with Pano2VR, of what you'd like to see matched by something done with krpano.
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by john_willetts » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:05 pm

http://www.j-a-willetts-esq.com/xmas09.html

I know some of you people thought it was over the top (particularly Klaus) so forget the content. This is a Pano2VR interface. Show something as complex in KRP.

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by mediavets » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:34 pm

john_willetts wrote:http://www.j-a-willetts-esq.com/xmas09.html

I know some of you people thought it was over the top (particularly Klaus) so forget the content. This is a Pano2VR interface. Show something as complex in KRP.

John

This is complex for a different sort of reason:
http://www.krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&postID=9637#post9637

Read about it here:
http://www.krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&postID=9637#post9637
.............

Complex UI - but clumsy IMO:
http://www.virtualnorthland.com/panos/caf/

Read about it here:
http://www.krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&postID=11254#post11254
..............

Off the wall use of krpano:
http://www.virtualtuur.com/studio/

Read about it here:
http://www.krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&postID=11417#post11417
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by klausesser » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:36 pm

john_willetts wrote:http://www.j-a-willetts-esq.com/xmas09.html

I know some of you people thought it was over the top (particularly Klaus) so forget the content. This is a Pano2VR interface. Show something as complex in KRP.

John

I think it´s nice - now that i got known to it. But the first tie seeing it i was rather irritated.

Tried to click the bubbles - are they intended to be links?

Regarding the interface thing:

http://krpano.com/examples/interface/

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by john_willetts » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:21 am

Andrew, the exampleshave to be admired, purely because of the sheer amount of hand-coding involved. And, looking at the documentation, you have to have a certain type of mind to get your head round it - compare with Pano2VR's Tutorials.

Claus, no links only the pleasure of playing the Hallelujah Chorus. More uplifting than banging on drums.

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by mediavets » Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:23 pm

john_willetts wrote:Andrew, the examples have to be admired, purely because of the sheer amount of hand-coding involved.

How about this one - simpler but quite effective I feel:
http://www.360imagery.co.uk/VT/aerial/jubilee/jubilee.html
And, looking at the documentation, you have to have a certain type of mind to get your head round it - compare with Pano2VR's Tutorials.
John

Yes, I agree completely - without APT I don't think I'd have never been able to do anything with krpano.
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by klausesser » Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:33 pm

john_willetts wrote:More uplifting than banging on drums.

Right! :cool:

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by [bo] » Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:34 pm

Wow, a full aerial panorama... I wonder how they shot that...
Some of my panoramas, posted in the Autopano Pro flickr group.

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