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I want to buy Canon EOS 40d and Tokina AT-X 11-16 mm F 2,8. Will I have to make some modifications on my Merlin head to shot full-spherical panoramas?
Or please recommend me other camera and lens (around $1500).
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FelixAutopano wrote:
I want to buy Canon EOS 40d and Tokina AT-X 11-16 mm F 2,8. Will I have to make some modifications on my Merlin head to shot full-spherical panoramas?
Or please recommend me other camera and lens (around $1500).
Thanks.

Basically no problem. You just have to deal with the base of the Merlin - and make the Nadir-shot manually.

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What about EOS 500D + Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM + Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 USM IS?

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No problem also for the 500D who is a little smaller then the 40D ! The 500D has also Full HD video ...
No modification necessary for the Merlin (NPP positionning OK!)

The Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM is excellent (dedicated to APS-C camera's)

No experience with the Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 USM IS !
I have a Canon EF 24-105mm F/4 L IS USM who is also excellent but not playing into the same game of the 28-135 mm ...!

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I'm getting closer and closer ;)
Canon EOS 500D + Tokina AF 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX (maybe later Tamron AF 17-50mm f/2.8 SP XR Di II LD Aspherical [IF] + Sigma AF 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO HSM DG)
What about this?

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FelixAutopano wrote:
I'm getting closer and closer ;)
Canon EOS 500D + Tokina AF 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX (maybe later Tamron AF 17-50mm f/2.8 SP XR Di II LD Aspherical [IF] + Sigma AF 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO HSM DG)
What about this?

I never use zooms for shooting panos - in fact i own just ONE zoom amongst 18 lenses :cool:

Especially for a Merlin-beginner it might be tricky to find a NPP for each focus-lenghts he uses with zooms.

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Tokina AF 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX ... Good choice ! (but limited to APS-C), read the next:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tokina/11-16mm.htm

Sigma AF 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO HSM DG .... Excellent ! I have one ! (but no stabilizer)

Still missing something "in between" ...

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klausesser wrote:
FelixAutopano wrote:
I'm getting closer and closer ;)
Canon EOS 500D + Tokina AF 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX (maybe later Tamron AF 17-50mm f/2.8 SP XR Di II LD Aspherical [IF] + Sigma AF 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO HSM DG)
What about this?

I never use zooms for shooting panos - in fact i own just ONE zoom amongst 18 lenses :cool:

Especially for a Merlin-beginner it might be tricky to find a NPP for each focus-lenghts he uses with zooms.

best, Klaus

Not to mention the possibility of 'zoom creep'.

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Not to mention the possibility of 'zoom creep'.

Right! To have some tape in the bag is evident. :cool:

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No, no. I mean Tamron AF 17-50mm f/2.8 SP XR Di II LD Aspherical [IF] + Sigma AF 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO HSM DG for "normal" shooting. For pano only the Tokina AF 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX.

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Hi Felix,

In your place I will take the "Tokina 10-17 3.5-4.5 AF DX Fisheye" and not the "Tokina AF 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX" who is a wide angle ...

With the FE 10-17 you will need less pics for "spherical pano" !

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claudevh wrote:
With the FE 10-17 you will need less pics for "spherical pano" !

What means less? How much instead of (i think) 18?

http://www.vrwave.com/panoramic/photography/lens_database.html

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Minimum is 8 (4@-30°, 4@+30°). Some use 13 (6@-15°, 6@+30°, N).

There are presets in Papywizard for both configs.

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Like Frederic, I use 8 shoots (no Nadir & No Zenith) for the Tokina FE at 10 mm :)
Tokina 10-17 @ 10 mm on APS-C (x1.6)
4 picts @ +30°
4 picts @ -30°

For my WA canon 10-22 @ 10 mm I use 17 shoots : :/
1 nadir
4 picts @ - 60 deg
8 picts @ 0 deg
4 picts @ + 60 deg
(no zenith)

and this is at 10 mm not at 11 mm !

Remark: those figures are of course for the Canon 40D (APS-C x 1.6 crop factor)

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I see the difference ....
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Yes !
The difference is clear ! :)
And if, I presume, you use Autopano ... this isn't not a problem, nor for stichting ... nor for distorsion both two are extremely well managed !!! :cool:

The only difference could be the "global" pixels resolution due to less pictures for the FE but this is more "psychological" than "objective" ! ;)

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How big is the full spherical pano from your 40D (pixel HxV)?

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That's why the 10-17 is nice: you can also shoot @17mm, to have a better resolution (but I never made a preset for that focal...).

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FOV 360 x 180 FE Tokina 10-17 @ 10 mm (= 16 mm calculated equivalent)

8 pics of 2592 x 3888 (10077696 x 8 = 80621568 initial)
give 11178 x 5589 (62473842 final) <=======================
means 22,5 % overlap

Those are the figures for the Tokina FE 10-17 mm

When I have a little more time, I will give you the figures for the Canon WA 10-22 mm

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claudevh wrote:
Hi Felix,

In your place I will take the "Tokina 10-17 3.5-4.5 AF DX Fisheye" and not the "Tokina AF 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX" who is a wide angle ...

With the FE 10-17 you will need less pics for "spherical pano" !

What the Samyang 8mm? Which lens is beter? Samyang 8mm or Tokina 10-17?
Sorry for my "stupid" questions. But I buy this type of lens once in the lifetime -so I want the best. :rolleyes:

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Hi Felix,

In my opinion, (only mine)
The Tokina is the more expensive, but also
-the best image quality (resolution, little flare, no colour fringes etc...)
-the most flexible
The Samyang is the less expensive (1/3 of the Tokina) but
-lower but correct image quality
-less flexible

Have a look on the next posts (samyang discussion):
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t7851-samyang-8mm
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t7939-samyang

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I was totally agreed with the Tokina. But after reading the two posts and mainly the review on both lenses - http://www.lenstip.com/160.4-Lens_review-Samyang_8_mm_f_3.5_Aspherical_IF_MC_Fish-eye_Image_resolution.html and http://www.lenstip.com/19.4-Lens_review-Tokina_AT-X_107_AF_DX_Fish-Eye_AF_10-17_mm_f_3.5-4.5_Image_resolution.html - I am not sure if the Tokina IQ is better. I know there's other reviews - http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/271-tokina-af-10-17mm-f35-45-at-x-dx-fisheye-review--test-report?start=2 - but there is big CA, PF and not excelent picture quality.
So what now? Anybody please help me make the decision.

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Being a zoom FE the Tokina is more flexible (you can trade off resolution and number of shots), it is also apparently more resistant to flare; but if you are creating panos for on-line display as Flash VRs you probably wouldn't be able notice the difference in the final output most of the time.

Had the Samyang been available back in the day I was in the market for FE lenses I don't doubt I would have bought it - because I'm a cheapskate and I'm sure it would have been 'good enough' for me.

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I think I'm again closer to Tokina after viewing this:
http://michel.thoby.free.fr/SAMYANG/NIK+SAM+TOK_pour_Flash_SD.swf
http://michel.thoby.free.fr/SAMYANG/NIK+SAM+TOK_Extrait-Nadir_PS-CS.jpg
from: http://michel.thoby.free.fr/SAMYANG/Early%20test%20report.html.

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I think the real advantage of the Samyang 8mm comes as a 3 shot lens for full frame bodies with the hood shaved off. (Then it is only really up against the Sigma 8mm). If you are shooting on a crop body then I think the Tokina would make more sense as a general purchase.

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