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Interesting idea! But in my case, the problem came from the lens diameter, which is too large for the original crown...

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http://www.autopano.net/forum/t4857-l-avis-d-un-utilisateur-mediavet is a translation in French language of the mediavet's first post in this thread.

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http://www.autopano.net/forum/t4857-l-avis-d-un-utilisateur-mediavet is a translation in French language of the mediavet's first post in this thread.

Georges,

Thank you. It's very kind of you to do this translation. I hope it helps more people to get started more easily with Merlin/Papywizard.

The photo is great - I should add one (or more) to my post.

The link to the Papywizard software - http://trac.gbiloba.org/papywizard/ -seems to have gone missing in the translation.

Perhaps we should have references/links to French suppliers of the Merlin/Orion head in the French translation?

I read your translation back via computer translation and you seem to say that the head is branded as the Orion Teletrack in English speaking countries. Well, in UK it is sold as the Merlin Multi-Function Mount - I think it may be only in North America that it is sold as the Orion? It is a small point and probably irrelevant.

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Hi everyone,

This is an answer to the call of 'who are you'. I am Jason from Colorado and have used both the Gigapan unit and built a Orion unit about six weeks ago. I definitely like them both. I wrote a blog entry about it at http://gigapans.blogspot.com/.

I am currently trying to build an underwater panoramic mount. As if diving was not hard enough, I want to carry around a 40 lb monstrosity;) But its fun learning about robotics and motor control, etc. The Nokia fits well inside my underwater control housing and still uses the touch screen! Will need to delve into the code of papywizard to control servo steps via serial instead of the Orion.

I have all the mechanics built now so the hard part will be figuring out how to get the Nokia to work with a USB Bitwhacker http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8265(it says it works with Linux, but the Nokia is not quite linux) or I will need to come up with another way to interface the nokia to provide connection to the stepper motor drivers http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8368(two, each needing a step pulse and a direction) (am needing 5 controllable pulses, two for each stepper and one for the shutter). If I can get the bitwhacker to connect it provides 24 bits over USB so will be plenty. Otherwise the Nokia has a serial port in the back.

My biggest feature request so far with Papywizard is the ability to stop and go back a few steps to retake some photos if the light changes or someone walks in the way. The Gigapan unit does this and its a must.

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Hi Jason

Thanks for your post - it's nice to hear from someone who is pushing the boundaries of what Merlin/Orion + Papywizard can do. Good luck with your underwater setup.
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Hi everyone,

This is an answer to the call of 'who are you'. I am Jason from Colorado and have used both the Gigapan unit and built a Orion unit about six weeks ago. I definitely like them both. I wrote a blog entry about it at http://gigapans.blogspot.com/.

That's a really useful description of the Merlin/Orion + Papywizard - and a nice video and pictures of your very long lens on the head. And a useful comparison of the relative merits of the Gigapan Imager and Merlin/Orion+Papywizard.

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My biggest feature request so far with Papywizard is the ability to stop and go back a few steps to retake some photos if the light changes or someone walks in the way. The Gigapan unit does this and its a must.

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Jason

I agree with you and I asked for that some time ago too - and Frederic says he will do it in a later release.

It is assigned to the To Do list for V2.0:
http://trac.gbiloba.org/papywizard/report/6

How would you like to see it implemented?

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Jason, your review is great! I'll add a link on the Merlin APP wiki page...

I just receive my Arduino board:

http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=17&products_id=50&sessid=ac10cbfa2137cf7f49c2ce9ab800068d

and I plan to control it from Papywizard (I need to make a better design for low-level abtract layer, so it is possible to switch from a hardware to another). I also ordered this board:

http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=17_21&products_id=81

which is able to drive DC or stepper motors, as well as servos. It may fit your needs, instead of boards you plan to use? This way, you can develop some sort of firmware, like in the Merlin, for all low-level task (closed-loop positionning and so).

We may start a new thread to discuss such projects...

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fma38 wrote:
We may start a new thread to discuss such projects...

good idea, I started with the same two my project, but the adafruit shield was not the solution and it ended up with the easydriver

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Paul,

Could you please have a look at these two posts and give us your opinion:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p32660-today-17-51-02#p32660
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p32670-today-20-53-26#p32670

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odyssey wrote:
Hi everyone,

This is an answer to the call of 'who are you'. I am Jason from Colorado and have used both the Gigapan unit and built a Orion unit about six weeks ago. I definitely like them both. I wrote a blog entry about it at http://gigapans.blogspot.com/.

Regards,

Jason

Jason,
As I've said earlier this is a great article but there are a couple of things I take issue with.

You say:
"Papywizard Software (Free, but Frédéric Mantegazza deserves a donation!) Papywizard Linux only so far, development issues with Windows, but in the works, you can try it on windows in simulation mode."

And later on:
"I am sure Frederick will get the windows version of Papywizard running soon"

The only reported issues with the Windows version of Papywizard that I am aware of are:

1. It runs fine over a wired serial connection, but does not support Bluetooth devices directly. However if you want a wireless Bluetooth link/connection between The Merlin/Orion head and a Windows PC running Papywizard you can use a pair of RS232-Bluetooth adapters as a wireless serial cable replacement.

2. Compatibilty problems with Vista 64 that you reported very recently.

I have used Papywizard with Windows 2000 and Windows XP and others have used it with Vista 32. I am pretty sure there are far more more users running Windows 2000 and XP than there are running any version of Vista (which most Windows users, who have been able to, have tended to avoid like the plague), and very few running Vista 64.

Regarding the adapter for the head, you talk exclusively about using a Bluesmirf module, to which you have to add a power supply/voltage regulator which it appears takes some skill to assemble.

As I and others have documented elsewhere on the forum it is much simpler (and cheaper I believe) to build an adapter using the Tronisoft 4201 RS232-TTL module which has an on board voltage regulator. Claude has just reported that it will not be long before there is a kit available based on the Tronisoft 4201 module that will not require any soldering to assemble.

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As I and others have documented elsewhere on the forum it is much simpler (and cheaper I believe) to build an adapter using the Tronisoft 4201 RS232-TTL module which has an on board voltage regulator. Claude has just reported that it will not be long before there is a kit available based on the Tronisoft 4201 module that will not require any soldering to assemble.

News of the module is here, pretty cool.
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p32613-yesterday-10-26-09#p32613

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Hi Andrew,

I updated the blog entry with what you have pointed out, please let me know if when I say that the future solderless kit availability for the Tronisoft will be from Kolor at Autopano.net? (I don't think anyone reads that blog so its unlikely to confuse anyone, but maybe it will get readers in the future)

I was excited about the unit when I wrote it and was pointing it out from my perspective. At the time the Tronisoft seemed harder to follow in the forum threads and the Sparkfun company is so cool. As per Windows, well I run Vista 64 on my desktop (I must have the plague)- it allows me to run Photoshop CS4 in 64 bits, I like that. I had to disable that terribly annoying User Account Control (UAC) Vista feature and since then I have been quite happy with it. I would certainly not run out and pay Micro$oft upgrade fees for the OS, but as I got it, I don't hate it. When I wrote the bit seven weeks ago only Alpha 9 was out for Windows. I have properly updated the blog entry in this regards.

On another note, has anyone in the Linux community have any experience with gphoto http://www.gphoto.org/ Its open source camera control and capture software revered engineered for most cameras over the USB, for Linux. It has both a graphical and a command line interface. It says it can compile for Debian. Does anyone think I would get the command line version to compile and run on the Nokia? What I am envisioning is running it alongside papywizard on the Nokia to do things like possible focus bracketing. Would have to drive the USB port in host mode on the Nokia and it would not be wireless anymore. (and some cameras, the Nikon included, will not store the image data on the camera card when in PTP mode so the nokia would have to store it, don't know if its fast at storing data) Maybe this is a better project for a laptop than a Nokia?

Thirdly, as far as the pause and 'go back' function. It could be all fancy with a graphical representation,etc. but what is really needed is just a button that becomes active when paused that allows you to go back one step. You could hit the button multiple times for multiple steps. (maybe have a number indicator on how many steps you have gone back, but not necessary, my brain works usually)

Fourth, I don't think I have properly communicated my desire for a 'shoot a photo now' button while in the manual move mode. There is room for a button on the stage at that time for shoot a photo now function. Would like it to record the position into the xml data file that was last used or create a new file. This is integral in getting the interesting bits of a scene after taking in the whole scene in mosaic mode. For instance, please look at this gigapan http://www.gigapan.org/viewGigapan.php?id=5888 of the Space Shuttle launch. Look at the rightmost snapshot (the first snapshot) to see where I have the space shuttle captured in its ascent on what appears to be a beach scene. That did not randomly happen when the camera was capturing its mosaic. I captured the mosaic and then had the camera pointed at where the launch would be, but I had to go align that myself and put it in after stitching with the gigapan stitcher. With Autopano giga and the data file, it should be possible to have the software directly use these images when building the stitch. Conceivably it might be nice to be able to pause a mosaic capture, freely move the camera to take a photo of a section of the scene that suddenly gets some interesting action, have papywizard record those positions, and then resume a mosaic capture where it was left off.

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odyssey wrote:
On another note, has anyone in the Linux community have any experience with gphoto http://www.gphoto.org/ Its open source camera control and capture software revered engineered for most cameras over the USB, for Linux. It has both a graphical and a command line interface. It says it can compile for Debian. Does anyone think I would get the command line version to compile and run on the Nokia? What I am envisioning is running it alongside papywizard on the Nokia to do things like possible focus bracketing. Would have to drive the USB port in host mode on the Nokia and it would not be wireless anymore. (and some cameras, the Nikon included, will not store the image data on the camera card when in PTP mode so the nokia would have to store it, don't know if its fast at storing data) Maybe this is a better project for a laptop than a Nokia?

I used gphoto by the past. I made some tests, recently, to do what you plan to do, but I found that it is unable to set the exposure correction of my 20D. So I didn't go very far.

I think it is possible to compile it on maemo, but you'll need to install teh cross-compilation chain. I think you'd better try on a little laptop, like Asus eeepc or similar; this will be much less work. The Nokia N800 is able to use its usb port as host, but you will need to power it up from outside.

PS: I'll answer to the rest of your post on the Papywizard topic...

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odyssey wrote:
Hi Andrew,

I updated the blog entry with what you have pointed out, please let me know if when I say that the future solderless kit availability for the Tronisoft will be from Kolor at Autopano.net? (I don't think anyone reads that blog so its unlikely to confuse anyone, but maybe it will get readers in the future)

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Jason

Hi Jason

Thanks for updating the blog page - I think it will get readers becasue people will go there from here and Frederic plans to link to it from the Wiki - I just didn't want people to go away with the idea that Papywizard didn't run on Windows.

Your page is a really useful user view of the system and the comparsion with Gigapan Imager makes it even more special.

My comments about Vista were of course somewhat tongue in cheek but I shall do my best to steer clear of it for a while yet I have so much 'legacy' hardware that I cannot afford to replace. In some things I like to stay well behind the bleeding edge of technology; they say people become more risk averse with age.

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If anyone with experience putting together the Tronisoft unit can take some photos and make a description, I will add it to the blog. It would be great if it was complete. You can email me at jasonbuchheim at gmail dot com. Also with any other setup ideas. I moved the top head part over 9mm with the screw setup on the Orion and now its seems 100% perfectly centered above the center of rotation with a Nikon D200. I am very pleased with that!

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I've just come across a description of how to modify the Nikon ML-3 IR remote control so that it can be activated using an external switch:
http://www.panoguide.com/r/?p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbase.com%2Fmiljenko%2Fmll3_wired

For those who are good at DIY this would be an alternative to the gentled-Jump IR trigger device that I use for my D40 on the Merlin with Papywizard:
www.gentles.ltd.uk/gentled/options.htm
www.gentles.ltd.uk/gentled/options.htm#IRjump

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Andrew, avoid positing the same thing on different topics; if we start to answer on all places, it will be difficult to follow the discussion... Don't hesitate to start new topics, with dedicated subject; better for future searchs...

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fma38 wrote:
Andrew, avoid positing the same thing on different topics; if we start to answer on all places, it will be difficult to follow the discussion... Don't hesitate to start new topics, with dedicated subject; better for future searchs...

I will take your advice, of course... but in this case I (deliberately) duplicated the post in those topics where I thought people might be seeking that sort of information.

One of the problems with this forum IMO is that it lacks structure - at best there are only two levels - which means that stuff that is closely related often ends up nowhere near other related posts. At least this was my experience when trying to piece together information relating to the Merlin/Papywizard project. All the information was there somewhere but it wasn't until I summarised the 'state of the art' of the project that many regular readers of the forum say they were able to understand what it was really all about.

The other major problem is that the Search seems to be very crude - it just seems to fail to find posts that I know I have previously read. Plus it does not seem to differentiate to the level of the post merely to the level of the thread/topic and if that topic has say 15 pages of posts that is far from useful/helpful.

I'm not sure there is a 'answer' to these issues. Vaving too many topics is as much of a problem as having too few. Perhaps (more) active moderation is part of the solution? Maybe some sort of active archiving would also be desirable?

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I understand. I have to say that I prefer using mailing lists rather than forums; it is better for conversations. But forums has some nice features, usefull here, like posting pictures.

I'm sure the problem is the lack of precise titles; topics always change 2 or 3 times of subject, and the same subject often discussed in several places. Here, the fact that we also use 2 languages is not easy; but it is a good thing.

I try to transfert some topics, when subjects change, but it is not very easy; the admin forum interface is not really clear, and not powerfull enough to do a good job.

A lot of forums are in this case, especially where there are a lot of people talking. A forum is not a source of documentation; usefull informations should be transfered on the wiki, so do not hesitate to create pages ;)

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I prefer forums because they have a permanence, in other words people can see what's been discussed previously whereas pure email lists are ephemeral and the only permanant resource is messages you save (or not) on your own computer.

Yes, you are right WRT the Wiki being the place for documentation, I must make the effort to learn how to compose anf format stuff on the Wiki.

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I don't agree: most of ML are saved, and it is very easy to search on old posts...

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If you wish to download (and stitch) a simple image set - 4 rows of 5 images - shot with Merlin/Papywizard then check out this post:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p32821-today-09-26-59#p32821

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Someone on another forum asked me whether you could use the Merlin/Orion on a pole.

I think someone here - Klaus? - may have done this?

I weighed my Merlin head without a camera on some bathroom scales - of debatable accuracy - it appears to weigh approx. 1.8 Kg (4lbs).

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Trekker also did. I think this is one of the nice usage of the Merlin - shooting spherical in strange locations ;)

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fma38 wrote:
Trekker also did. I think this is one of the nice usage of the Merlin - shooting spherical in strange locations ;)

You will need a strong pole I think?

1.8-2Kg for head and interface plus weight of camera and lens.

Would the motors and gears work OK if the head was used on its side ie. pole held out horizontally?

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mediavets wrote:
Would the motors and gears work OK if the head was used on its side ie. pole held out horizontally?

Sure:) Trekker shot this way:

http://www.autopano.net/forum/t3949-fais-comme-l-oiseau.do-as-birds-do

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