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by klausesser » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:18 pm

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can i take the xml file from N800/Papy to import it in APP/APG Alpha?
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by klausesser » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:16 am

btw.:
i modified the script to 8 shots@-80°, step 45°. So the Merlin´s footprint is a bit smaller (the corners are cut off):

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<!-- Fifth row 8-around Yaw separation 45h, Pitch -80 -->
<pict yaw="30." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="75." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="120." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="165." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="210." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="255." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="300." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="345." pitch="-80."/>
<!-- End of fifth row -->
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by fma38 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:24 am

Good idea.
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by mediavets » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:45 am

klausesser wrote:btw.:
i modified the script to 8 shots@-80°, step 45°. So the Merlin´s footprint is a bit smaller (the corners are cut off):

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<!-- Fifth row 8-around Yaw separation 45h, Pitch -80 -->
<pict yaw="30." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="75." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="120." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="165." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="210." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="255." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="300." pitch="-80."/>
<pict yaw="345." pitch="-80."/>
<!-- End of fifth row -->
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Klaus,

You are becoming quite the 'preset guru'. ;)
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by klausesser » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:42 pm

mediavets wrote:You are becoming quite the 'preset guru'. ;)

:cool:

What´s it in English: "Zauberlehrling"? (scholar of a wizard?) . . :P
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by fma38 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:09 pm

Sorcerer's apprentice?
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by klausesser » Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:23 pm

fma38 wrote:Sorcerer's apprentice?

that´s a kind of sorcerer´s stone? :cool:
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by klausesser » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:31 pm

i´ll edit the -80° spacing again - maybe 6 shots will do a better footprint.
There´s really need for cutting one centimeter (this wouldn´t touch vital mechanics - just one battery-holder) off the base on one side where the camera looks down. The Merlin´s footprint is much too big when you shoot indoors.
The -80° can be used just halfways.

left: 5 shots (nor correctly spaced - just erased 3 steps from the 8-shot)
right: 8 shots

I guess with a clever adjustment of spaced steps it coulb be optimized. Maybe more than 8 shots isn´t too bad . . !?


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by mediavets » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:27 pm

fma38 wrote:Andrew, you are right, I think I will only keep a few presets as default ones, to have something to show, and others should be put in user dir.

I will start a page on the wiki to put users presets...

OK - I think the way I will most likely use custom presets will be to create those I need for various lenses then keep the custom presets as separates file on the removable memory card of the 770/N800 and load a preset as required for a shoot, rather than creating one large custom preset file (coatining multiple custom preset definitions) and installing it 'permanently'.
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by fma38 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:27 pm

The page is here (it was already created by Claude). I added a few presets...

http://www.autopano.net/wiki/action/view/Papywizard_preset_database
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by mediavets » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:51 pm

fma38 wrote:The page is here (it was already created by Claude). I added a few presets...

http://www.autopano.net/wiki/action/view/Papywizard_preset_database

How would anyone ever find this page? - it seems to stand in glorious isolation.
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by fma38 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:09 pm

No, it is linked from the main wiki page (bottom right):

http://www.autopano.net/wiki/action/view/Main_Page
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by mediavets » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:05 pm

fma38 wrote:No, it is linked from the main wiki page (bottom right):

http://www.autopano.net/wiki/action/view/Main_Page

Ah - so it is.

But I like to run Firefox with a history sidebar and then that whole column is off screen.

I hate web sites that require the user to scroll the page sideways! Poor design.


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by klausesser » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:49 pm

Hi Frédéric, hi Andrew!

I changed back to 4 shots @-80°. But i realized some missing links - as shown in the picture below. So i guess i better use a different spacing as the one o used:
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<!-- Fifth row 4-around Yaw separation 90 degrees, Pitch -80 degrees -->
<pict yaw="30.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="210.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<!-- End of fifth row -->
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think i step back to a start at "0.0"" - what do you think?

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by fma38 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:23 pm

I think it will mainly depend of the subject, and where details are relative to the picture overlap...
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by klausesser » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:30 pm

fma38 wrote:I think it will mainly depend of the subject, and where details are relative to the picture overlap...

Yes - i´ll stitch it again. What if i try 5 @72°?

Basically: how important is symmetry? Can i do 4-12-12-12-5? I found 6 or 8 are too symmetrical to really make the base smaller . . so i´ll try 5 or 7 . . :cool:
My question is: where to start the upper row for optimal connections to the others? At "0.0" or "30.0"?

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by fma38 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:04 pm

Well, good question! GURL could answer to such question better than me... But GURL often says that it is better to have CP in corners. So, try to put pictures so they overlap in corners.
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by klausesser » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:50 pm

fma38 wrote:Well, good question! GURL could answer to such question better than me... But GURL often says that it is better to have CP in corners. So, try to put pictures so they overlap in corners.

Thanks Frédéric!

Could you or Andrew tell me which tool makes screenshots on the N800?

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by mediavets » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:58 pm

klausesser wrote:
fma38 wrote:Well, good question! GURL could answer to such question better than me... But GURL often says that it is better to have CP in corners. So, try to put pictures so they overlap in corners.

Thanks Frédéric!

Could you or Andrew tell me which tool makes screenshots on the N800?

best, Klaus

This one:
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/load-applet/
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by mediavets » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:01 pm

Shot my first outdoor spherical today - OK, only in the tiny back garden of my mother's house - using my Merlin+Papywizard on N800 and my D40 1.5x crop sensor body with 18-55mm kit zoom at 18mm (equiv. to 27mm on a fullframe).

I use one of Frederic's default presets - see screenshot.
4 @ +80
12 @ +40
12 @ 0
12 @ -40
8 @ -80

Tried to use the Papywizard import filter with APG Alpha 2. It crashed the program on final step of the import.

Stitching with APP1.4.2 and APG Alpha 2 was relatively uneventful - this is the first of my test image sets that APG Alpha 2 has managed to do a reasonable job with.

In both cases the top row of 4 shots of featureless sky did not get linked. In both cases RMS was approx. 1.7.

What is a bit more interesting is that you get a better, more useful result (IMO) if you completely omit the 8 shots at -80 pitch - see screenshots of nadir below.






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by fma38 » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:10 pm

Ah, yes, you have 12 shots instead of 8, and APP is not tempted to put the footprint, as it does not see it ;)
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by klausesser » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:22 pm


Hi Andrew!

Thank you!

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by klausesser » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:25 pm

mediavets wrote:What is a bit more interesting is that you get a better, more useful result (IMO) if you completely omit the 8 shots at -80 pitch - see screenshots of nadir below.

Yep! I trie that also - much "cleaner" indeed!.

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by mediavets » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:37 pm

fma38 wrote:Ah, yes, you have 12 shots instead of 8, and APP is not tempted to put the footprint, as it does not see it ;)

It sees just the very edge of it, I think.
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by klausesser » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:35 pm

mediavets wrote:
fma38 wrote:Ah, yes, you have 12 shots instead of 8, and APP is not tempted to put the footprint, as it does not see it ;)

It sees just the very edge of it, I think.

The very best version i think. Smallest footprint. One additional Nadir shot will make it perfect!

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