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by fma38 » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:04 am

XML format support comments, no problem. Just use <!-- --> arround the section you want to comment. They can't be nested.
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by mediavets » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:27 am

fma38 wrote:XML format support comments, no problem. Just use <!-- --> arround the section you want to comment. They can't be nested.

Great, that will help me 'explain' the 'structure' of a custom preset (for Klaus).:)
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by mediavets » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:50 pm

bigwade wrote:No idea how to enter/add presets, will look at it tonight, have to work now.

Frank,

You will find documentation here for very latest development release of Papywizard (at time of writing that's 1.5.0-1 for Nokia):
http://trac.gbiloba.org/papywizard/wiki/UserGuideSvn
The section about presets and custom presets:
http://trac.gbiloba.org/papywizard/wiki/UserGuideSvn#Presetmode

And here for the latest stable release (at time of writing 1.4.0-1 for Nokia and 1.4.0-2 for Windows):
http://trac.gbiloba.org/papywizard/wiki/UserGuide
The section about presets and custom presets:
http://trac.gbiloba.org/papywizard/wiki/UserGuide#Presetmode

Presets were originally intended to be used for shooting spherical panos - they can be used for shooting mosaic panos but, as you know, there are other ways of defining mosaic pano shoots that are more efficient and easier to use.

There are a few built-in (default) presets but most users will probably wish to create their own custom presets for their particular camera/lens combinations and their preferred shooting technique for spherical panos.

A custom preset is a list of shooting positions - defined by Yaw and Pitch values - within an XML (text) file. The structure/syntax of a custom preset XML file can be found here:
http://trac.gbiloba.org/papywizard/wiki/UserGuide#Presetmode

There are 3 main sections within a custom preset XML file for each defined preset (there can be more than one preset defined in the same file):

1. The 'preset name' which is the name that appears in the drop down list of presets in the Shooting dialogue GUI.

2. The 'tooltip' the contents of which are displayed when you click on the light bulb icon beside a preset name displayed in the drop down list box in the Shooting dialogue GUI.

3. The 'shoot section which lists a sequence of shooting positions. The head will follow the order of the shooting position definitions when you shoot a pano using this preset. So when creating a custom preset you want to order the shooting position definitions such that you minimise head movement between shooting positions. I find it helpful to sketch out the shooting positions on a bit of paper to visualise the most efficient order in which to shoot.

If you normally shoot sphericals with a manual pano head then you will find it easy to work out the Yaw and Pitch values for each shooting position - just read them off the scales on the rotators of your manual pano head.

Take a look at this custom preset - with inline comments- to get a handle on these ideas:
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<papywizard>
<preset name="20mm on 1.6x crop V2.0">
<tooltip>
6 around at +80
10 around +40
12 around 0
10 around -40
6 around at -80
</tooltip>

<shoot>
<!-- Start of shoot -->
<!-- First row 6-around Yaw separation 60 degrees, Pitch +80 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<!-- End of first row -->
<!-- Second row 10-around Yaw separation 36 degrees, Pitch +40 degrees -->
<pict yaw="324.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="288.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="252.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="216.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="144.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="108.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="72.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="36.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<!-- End of second row -->
<!-- Third row 12-around Yaw separation 30 degrees, Pitch 0 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="30.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="90.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="150.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="210.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="330.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<!-- End of third row -->
<!-- Fourth row 10-around Yaw separation 36 degrees, Pitch -40 degrees -->
<pict yaw="324.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="288.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="252.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="216.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="144.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="108.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="72.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="36.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<!-- End of fourth row -->
<!-- Fifth row 6-around Yaw separation 60 degrees, Pitch -80 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<!-- End of fifth row -->
<!-- End of shoot -->
</shoot>
</preset>
</papywizard>

If you want to see what this custom preset does then save the text above into a text file named <anything>.xml.

Then copy the file to anywhere on the file system of your Nokia tablet (or other host system) - the removable storage card of your Nokia Tablet would be a good place.

Start Papywizard and import the custom preset file using the File/Import Preset File... menu.

The new preset will now appear in the drop down list in addition to the built-in (default) presets and you can try shooting a pano in simulation mode using the preset.

Note: I would always advise that you should at first run any custom preset in simulation mode (or at least without the camera/lens attached to the Merlin head) because you may define a shooting position in a preset that cannot be reached without the camera body or the camera mounting rail hitting the base of the head.

So far so good.

Custom preset files imported in this way only remain in effect until you close down Papywizard; they are not permanently added to the default presets. Of course you can import a custom preset file again the next time you run Papywizard.

If you want to add a custom preset file permanently (until you delete or replace it) to Papywizard then the file must have the name presets.xml and it must be located in a specific location in the file system.
For Nokia Tablets - /home/user/.config/papywizard/
For Windows PCs - C:\Documents and settings\<user>\Application Data\papywizard\
For Linux systems - ~/.config/papywizard/

The location /home/user/.config/papywizard/ is a part of the Nokia Tablet file system that cannot be accessed using the standard Nokia Tablet File Manager.

To access this location in order to place a presets.xml file there you need to install an additional different File Manager program - the easiest to use is the GPE Filemanager which you can install from here (access with Nokia Tablet and click on the green arrow):
For Nokia 770 - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/gpe-filemanager/
For Nokai N800/N810 - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gpe-filemanager/

When installed you will find this File Manager program under Extras (where you also find Papywizard).

I hope this helps - have fun!
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by BeeZed » Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:52 pm

Mediavets - Your post is a great explanation of presets - http://www.autopano.net/forum/p33846-yesterday-03-50-21#p33846 It there a place on the papywizard wiki, or the auotopano wiki that it could be added, so people can find it in the future? I have been thinking of creating a page on my blog with useful links, but the wiki would be the best place to store the information.

I have been following along, but I missed the alternative file manager requirement. I remember people not seeing files because of naming issues some time ago.... I am glad you and fma38 have time to keep this rolling. I scarcely have time to keep up with the changes, let alone add anything useful.

BTW - I did end up getting a Nikon D300, and I have a Canon 350D coming in too - so I will have to be clever if I want to use both of them on the Orion/Merlin.

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by mediavets » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:14 pm

BeeZed wrote:Mediavets - Your post is a great explanation of presets - http://www.autopano.net/forum/p33846-yesterday-03-50-21#p33846 It there a place on the papywizard wiki, or the auotopano wiki that it could be added, so people can find it in the future? I have been thinking of creating a page on my blog with useful links, but the wiki would be the best place to store the information.

I'm glad you found it helpful.

The custom presets feature is very useful and very powerful, and really quite simple, once you get your head around it. Having figured it out for myself, I hoped to make it easier for others to understand, and create, custom presets.

Perhaps you are more familar with editing Wiki's than I am - I have yet to really get my head around the formatting etc. on the Wiki.

You can register to have access to the Papywizard Wiki and I would be very happy for you to add my 'stuff' on custom presets if you have the time.

Yes, it takes time to write clear and complete instructions/descriptions but I like to attempt it when I can because I have found it so frustrating myself when instructions are incomplete or assume a level of understanding of things that I don't have. Things that are self-evident and second nature for the expert and experienced can be very confusing and daunting for beginners. I think newbies are probably the best people to write such instructions because they don't make the assumptions that the expert inevitably does.
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by fma38 » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:24 pm

I'll try to add these usefull informations on the Papywizard wiki...
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by klausesser » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:44 pm

Hi Andrew!

Here some screenshots - of the 6-10-12-10-6 20mm 1.6crop V2 set.
I nearly always have these offsets - which i don´t have when shooting manually.
I´m wondering wether that´s related to a lack of overlap - i tried detection "standard" and "high".

Maybe someone has an idea . . i used 1.4.2 on a Mac.

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by mediavets » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:52 pm

Klaus,

Can you post a screen shot from the Panorama Editor with overlaps displayed?

Or maybe a downsized set of the images which we could download and stitch.

I would have thought you may have too much overlap in top and bottom rows with this version of the preset.
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by klausesser » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:42 pm

mediavets wrote:Klaus,

Can you post a screen shot from the Panorama Editor with overlaps displayed?

Or maybe a downsized set of the images which we could download and stitch.

I would have thought you may have too much overlap in top and bottom rows with this version of the preset.

Yes - i´ll do tomorrow. What´s interesting: using geometrical correction ends in a mess. Initial detection gives me around 2,4 to 2,4 RMS. Using geometrical correction "explodes" the stitch into a number of missing links . . .

detection "low" makes TWO panos: one from TWO Zenith-shots.

I´ll make some screenshots.

best, Klaus

Seems, problems occur between 2nd and 3rd and 3rd and 4th row.
1) 6 around at +80
2) 10 around +40
3) 12 around 0
4) 10 around -40
5) 6 around at -80

here´s the complete list:

<papywizard>
<preset name="20mm on 1.6x crop V2.0">
<tooltip>
6 around at +80
10 around +40
12 around 0
10 around -40
6 around at -80
</tooltip>

<shoot>
<!-- Start of shoot -->
<!-- First row 6-around Yaw separation 60 degrees, Pitch +80 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<!-- End of first row -->
<!-- Second row 10-around Yaw separation 36 degrees, Pitch +40 degrees -->
<pict yaw="324.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="288.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="252.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="216.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="144.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="108.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="72.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="36.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<!-- End of second row -->
<!-- Third row 12-around Yaw separation 30 degrees, Pitch 0 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="30.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="90.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="150.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="210.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="330.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<!-- End of third row -->
<!-- Fourth row 10-around Yaw separation 36 degrees, Pitch -40 degrees -->
<pict yaw="324.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="288.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="252.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="216.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="144.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="108.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="72.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="36.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<!-- End of fourth row -->
<!-- Fifth row 6-around Yaw separation 60 degrees, Pitch -80 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<!-- End of fifth row -->
<!-- End of shoot -->
</shoot>
</preset>
</papywizard>}


in the first stitch (detection "normal") there aren´t shown bad points - but the offset shows in the rendering.
in the 2nd stitch (detection "high") the bad points are shown and in the rendering.

It´s TWO sets of shooting - the first is jpg-small, the second is jpg-large.

I used TWO sets to compare the offsets. They´re comparable - though the first one has better RMS.






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by mediavets » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:18 am

I think the problem probably results from lack of links between neighbouring images (in the same row) in some rows (13-14 and 17-18-19 in the detection 'high' example) rather than anything to do with links between rows.

It may be worth removing redundant/superfluous links between images in the top and bottom rows too.

So what I would do is - use detection 'high' then :

1. Try and get links between 13-14 - which could be difficult because that's an area of white wall/ceiling.

2. Try and get links between 17-18-19 - this looks feasible.

3. Remove redundant links between (non neighbouring) images in top and bottom rows.

4. Select all links and Remove bad CPs.

5. Optimise.

It may be worth modifying the preset so that there are only 3 or 4 shots in the top and bottom rows - I think 6 is probably too many. You could test whether 3 is enough by omitting alternate shots in top and bottom rows.

In theory this is an example of a scene where the Papywizard import filter in APG should help. You may wish to submit this image set to Kolor as a test sample for testing the Papywizard import filter with APG.
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by klausesser » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:12 pm

Hi Andrew!

I´ll give it another try - will tell you in the evening.

best, Klaus

here a try using detection "high":
gives RMS 2.34
geometrical analysis produces the second image:

Major visible offset is between Zenith and the second row - where the red squares are (not the Nadir).






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by mediavets » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:27 pm

Klaus,

Again there are missing links between neighbouring images (7-8 and 13-14) in the second row down due to 'featureless' white ceiling/walls in these are offering nothing for APP to use to detect/place CPs. And that's enough to cause the stitch/rende issues you see I think.

This is frequently a problem when shooting interiors with any lens but a FE.

I'll modify the preset to see if we can overcome this and still get 360x180 coverage.

The Papywizard Import Filter in APG may help in these situations when it is all working correctly.
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by mediavets » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:36 pm

Klaus,

Try this modified preset - V3.0 - and please post some screenshots of results:

<papywizard>
<preset name="20mm on 1.6x crop V3.0">
<tooltip>
4 around at +75
10 around +35
12 around 0
10 around -35
4 around at -75
</tooltip>

<shoot>
<!-- Start of shoot -->
<!-- First row 4-around Yaw separation 90 degrees, Pitch +75 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="75.0"/>
<pict yaw="90.0" pitch="75.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="75.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="75.0"/>
<!-- End of first row -->
<!-- Second row 10-around Yaw separation 36 degrees, Pitch +35 degrees -->
<pict yaw="324.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="288.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="252.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="216.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="144.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="108.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="72.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="36.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<!-- End of second row -->
<!-- Third row 12-around Yaw separation 30 degrees, Pitch 0 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="30.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="90.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="150.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="210.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="330.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<!-- End of third row -->
<!-- Fourth row 10-around Yaw separation 36 degrees, Pitch -35 degrees -->
<pict yaw="324.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="288.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="252.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="216.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="144.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="108.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="72.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="36.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<!-- End of fourth row -->
<!-- Fifth row 4-around Yaw separation 90 degrees, Pitch -75 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-75.0"/>
<pict yaw="90.0" pitch="-75.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-75.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="-75.0"/>
<!-- End of fifth row -->
<!-- End of shoot -->
</shoot>
</preset>
</papywizard>
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by mediavets » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:47 pm

Klaus

her's another variation - V4.0 - please try it.
<papywizard>
<preset name="20mm on 1.6x crop V4.0">
<tooltip>
6 around at +70
10 around +35
12 around 0
10 around -35
6 around at -70
</tooltip>

<shoot>
<!-- Start of shoot -->
<!-- First row 6-around Yaw separation 60 degrees, Pitch +70 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="70.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="70.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="70.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="70.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="70.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="70.0"/>
<!-- End of first row -->
<!-- Second row 10-around Yaw separation 36 degrees, Pitch +35 degrees -->
<pict yaw="324.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="288.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="252.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="216.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="144.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="108.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="72.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="36.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<!-- End of second row -->
<!-- Third row 12-around Yaw separation 30 degrees, Pitch 0 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="30.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="90.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="150.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="210.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="330.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<!-- End of third row -->
<!-- Fourth row 10-around Yaw separation 36 degrees, Pitch -35 degrees -->
<pict yaw="324.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="288.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="252.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="216.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="144.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="108.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="72.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="36.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<!-- End of fourth row -->
<!-- Fifth row 6-around Yaw separation 60 degrees, Pitch -70 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-70.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="-70.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="-70.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-70.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="-70.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="-70.0"/>
<!-- End of fifth row -->
<!-- End of shoot -->
</shoot>
</preset>
</papywizard>
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by mediavets » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:18 pm

Klaus,

Yet another variation - V5.0 - this may be better than V4?

I tried V4.0 with my D40 (1.5x crop) and 18-55 kit zoom at 18mm and it left a small 'hole at the zenith, but it mnay be OK with your 1.6x crop?

<papywizard>
<preset name="20mm on 1.6x crop V5.0">
<tooltip>
6 around at +75
10 around +35
12 around 0
10 around -35
6 around at -75
</tooltip>

<shoot>
<!-- Start of shoot -->
<!-- First row 6-around Yaw separation 60 degrees, Pitch +75 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="75.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="75.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="75.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="75.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="75.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="75.0"/>
<!-- End of first row -->
<!-- Second row 10-around Yaw separation 36 degrees, Pitch +35 degrees -->
<pict yaw="324.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="288.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="252.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="216.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="144.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="108.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="72.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="36.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<!-- End of second row -->
<!-- Third row 12-around Yaw separation 30 degrees, Pitch 0 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="30.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="90.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="150.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="210.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="330.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<!-- End of third row -->
<!-- Fourth row 10-around Yaw separation 36 degrees, Pitch -35 degrees -->
<pict yaw="324.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="288.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="252.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="216.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="144.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="108.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="72.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="36.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<!-- End of fourth row -->
<!-- Fifth row 6-around Yaw separation 60 degrees, Pitch -75 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-75.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="-75.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="-75.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-75.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="-75.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="-75.0"/>
<!-- End of fifth row -->
<!-- End of shoot -->
</shoot>
</preset>
</papywizard>
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by mediavets » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:39 pm

Klaus,

V5.0 worked with full zenith coverage - using my D40 (1.5x) crop and zoom lens at 18mm - but I needed to use 'high' detection setting or it failed to include the top row.

After cleaning bad control points 'globally' I got an RMS of less than 2.

Yes, the WB is 'way off', and it's out of focus and some odd 'ghost' - me hovering in the doorway - but IQ wasn't the point - it was a simple test using 44 lowest res. images toto determine whether the custom preset provides 360x180 coverage and reasonable stitch.






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by mediavets » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:52 pm

Klaus,

Yet another variation - V6.0 - same as V4.0 with added +90 zenith shot.

Warning - because this preset includes a +90 zenith shot do not use it if your camera/lens combo prevents movement to a +90 position without the camera body hitting the Merlin/Orion head.

With interiors with 'featureless' ceilings or 'featureless' skies outdoors you'd probably have to force the zenith image into the pano then place it manually by editing the Yaw value to '0' and the Pitch value to '90' in Move images mode of the APP panorama editor.

<papywizard>
<preset name="20mm on 1.6x crop V6.0">
<tooltip>
zenith at +90
6 around at +70
10 around +35
12 around 0
10 around -35
6 around at -70
</tooltip>

<shoot>
<!-- Start of shoot -->
<!-- Zenith Yaw 0 degrees, Pitch +90 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="90.0"/>
<!-- First row 6-around Yaw separation 60 degrees, Pitch +70 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="70.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="70.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="70.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="70.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="70.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="70.0"/>
<!-- End of first row -->
<!-- Second row 10-around Yaw separation 36 degrees, Pitch +35 degrees -->
<pict yaw="324.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="288.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="252.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="216.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="144.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="108.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="72.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="36.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="35.0"/>
<!-- End of second row -->
<!-- Third row 12-around Yaw separation 30 degrees, Pitch 0 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="30.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="90.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="150.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="210.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="330.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<!-- End of third row -->
<!-- Fourth row 10-around Yaw separation 36 degrees, Pitch -35 degrees -->
<pict yaw="324.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="288.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="252.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="216.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="144.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="108.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="72.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="36.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-35.0"/>
<!-- End of fourth row -->
<!-- Fifth row 6-around Yaw separation 60 degrees, Pitch -70 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-70.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="-70.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="-70.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-70.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="-70.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="-70.0"/>
<!-- End of fifth row -->
<!-- End of shoot -->
</shoot>
</preset>
</papywizard>
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by klausesser » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:05 am

Hi Andrew!

Thank you!!
I will test V6 today and show the results. Your RMS is great - wish i come close! :cool:

good night, Klaus
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by fma38 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:22 am

Let me know which version I should include in the default presets...
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by klausesser » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:18 pm

fma38 wrote:Let me know which version I should include in the default presets...

Hi Frédéric, hi Andrew!

Frédéric: did you return healthy from skiing!? ;)
I couldn´t manage to run the test today - will do it tomorrow in the afternoon.

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by fma38 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:46 pm

klausesser wrote:Frédéric: did you return healthy from skiing!? ;)

Yes, only my tripod was injured :lol:
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by klausesser » Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:00 pm

fma38 wrote:
klausesser wrote:Frédéric: did you return healthy from skiing!? ;)

Yes, only my tripod was injured :lol:

hit another tripod at a crossway at high speed - did it? :cool:
was it drunk? :P

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by fma38 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:28 pm

No, it didn't support the cold weather. The aluminium broke when I opened it, because of the ice...
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by klausesser » Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:32 pm

fma38 wrote:The aluminium broke when I opened it, because of the ice...

gosh . . must have been REALLY cold . . . :cool
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by klausesser » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:34 am

fma38 wrote:Let me know which version I should include in the default presets...

Hi Frédéric!

I modyfied Andrews script in a way i use my manual Manfrotto-alignment (which works perfectly). The script works very well and has good overlaps.

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<papywizard>
<preset name="20mm on 1.6x crop">
<tooltip>
4 around at +80
12 around +40
12 around 0
12 around -40
4 around at -80
</tooltip>

<shoot>
<!-- Start of shoot -->
<!-- First row 4-around Yaw separation 90 degrees, Pitch +90 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="90.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="80.0"/>
<!-- End of first row -->
<!-- Second row 12-around Yaw separation 30 degrees, Pitch +40 degrees -->
<pict yaw="330.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="210.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="150.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="90.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="30.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="40.0"/>
<!-- End of second row -->
<!-- Third row 12-around Yaw separation 30 degrees, Pitch 0 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="30.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="90.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="150.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="210.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<pict yaw="330.0" pitch="0.0"/>
<!-- End of third row -->
<!-- Fourth row 12-around Yaw separation 30 degrees, Pitch -40 degrees -->
<pict yaw="330.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="300.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="240.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="210.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="150.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="120.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="60.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="30.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-40.0"/>
<!-- End of fourth row -->
<!-- Fifth row 4-around Yaw separation 90 degrees, Pitch -80 degrees -->
<pict yaw="0.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="90.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="180.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<pict yaw="270.0" pitch="-80.0"/>
<!-- End of fifth row -->
<!-- End of shoot -->
</shoot>
</preset>
</papywizard>
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