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Something To Run Papywizard...

by fma38 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:29 pm

Ok, on the french part of the forum, we where talking about a device to run papywizard (or other softwares which will be able to drive the Merlin head).

As I mainly develop in Python, PocketPC is a good choice, because of the PythonCE port. I've just ordered a used one for 51€ on ebay (I should receive it this week). A cell-photo running WinCE should also work...

There are some other solutions, like Nokia 770, 800 and newer devices, which run Linux. I may order one to make some tests. Someone also posted something about this... thing:

http://www.buglabs.net/products

I think it could be a solution for a complete DIY panohead, including electronic, because it can drive low-level chips via I2C or SPI bus; so interfacing stepper motors drivers is possible. But it is more expensive than a used PocketPC...
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by fma38 » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:06 pm

Ok, I finally bought a used Nokia 770 (61€ on ebay), last week, and after 2 nights developping (moving the toolkit from Tkinter to PyGtk), I'm able to run papywizard on it (see picture) :) I love linux.

I still have to see how to access to bluetooth device, to drive the head...


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by fma38 » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:51 pm

Ok, bluetooth works fine; I can drive the Orion panohead from my Nokia :)
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by klausesser » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:29 pm

fma38 wrote:Ok, bluetooth works fine; I can drive the Orion panohead from my Nokia :)

Great! Where can i get it? :cool: (i don´t mean the Nokia ;))

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by fma38 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:41 pm

Some Nokia N800 are available here (178€) :

http://www.expansys.fr/p.aspx?i=144761
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by fma38 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:08 pm

Does anyone has a FreeRunner? This is a mobile phones with an open source software stack:

http://wiki.openmoko.org

PyGTK is available, so papywizard could run on it. If someone has one, let me know, to make tests...

BTW, papywizard runs fine on the 3 Nokia Internet Tablets (770, N800 and N810) :)
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by fma38 » Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:16 am

mediavets wrote:Of course the upcoming Mobile Internet devices (aka MID) based on new processors from Intel should have plenty of horsepower so maybe that will be the ultimate handheld solution for you?

What are these MID? Do you have links?
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by mediavets » Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:43 am

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by fma38 » Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:20 am

Interesting... I'll have a look at Moblin OS, to see if it is really open-source, or more like maemo, with some closed-source parts, and unequal support (like for the 770)... I also have to see what toolkit is available (didn't find the info yet).

But I will first dig arround the FreeRunner/Openmoko plateform, which is *really* open-source (even the hardware is).
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by fma38 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:22 am

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by Paul » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:31 am

Hey, that seems to be a good deal

and here is a thread about Ubuntu on TC1100
http://sudan.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?s=c49fedcdc6367fea88080aad535e9efd&t=563736
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by fma38 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:45 am

I hope it will be bright enough for outside use...

Thanks for the ubuntu forum link :)
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by mediavets » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:54 am

A nice 'toy' at quite an attractive price.

Review:
http://www.tabletpc2.com/Review-HPTC1100.htm

Battery life is not great.

Reviewer found touchscreen rather unresponsive.

Screen viewable outside on overcast days?:

"Also worth noting, if its slightly overcast outside I can see the screen well enough to work from the upstairs outside balcony so I am not trapped in the house for lack of an indoor outdoor screen"


Details:
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11755_na/11755_na.HTML#Technical%20Specifications

Suggests that integrated Bluetooth may not be be standard on all models?

..............
Frederic,

If this unit you bought is new - where have they been hiding it since 2004/5?

I hope you have good eyesight - I may have got my calculations wrong but I think the Papywizard window will look about this 'big' on the Compaq TC1100 tablet?:


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by fma38 » Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:53 pm

I finally received my TC1100. Here is a short review...

First, this is a used devices, but still in very good state. I have to admit that this tablet is a really well built, like the Nokia 770. All mechanical parts are OK, nothing is broken and seems to brake soon.

The screen is perfect ; this is not a sensitive technology, so is much more resistant. Maybe not as accurate as a sensitive screen, but no problem to use it; far enough for Papywizard! The big advantage is that it acts like a mouse, and so, you can move the cursor wihtout clicking, so tooltip are active :) But I think that the screen is not better than the Nokia 770, so can be difficult to use in bright sun... I will try to find some filter to put on, to see if it can give better results.

I also like very much the keyboard, which can be detached. This is a good idea, as you reduce the weight if you don't need it. The seller has tested the battery, and found more that 2 hours of autonomy, which is not that bad for a used device. Don't know what is the autonomy of a brand new battery... Wifi also works fine. You can also connect an external monitor.

As I said, Papywizard runs out-of-the-box on the Windows XP Tablet edition, especially Bluetooth :) I didn't yet tried to connect to my AIRCable module, but I can scan BT devices arround. I will also soon install linux (kubuntu) ;)

Ok, I will make more tests in the next days, and try to make a real pano using the Merlin head, outdoor. And I will install APP on it! I forgot to mention that there is an integrated SD card reader; this can be very usefull to make some ttest on the field, to check if the pano worked as expected.
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by fma38 » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:10 pm

mediavets wrote:I hope you have good eyesight - I may have got my calculations wrong but I think the Papywizard window will look about this 'big' on the Compaq TC1100 tablet?:

No problem: the final size of the Papywizard window is larger that on a Nokia. And as it is possible to resize the shooting dialog, the preview area is fully usable up to 100x50 pictures.
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by fma38 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:57 pm

Ok, it works fine to control the head :) Here are 2 screenshot, with custom font size usage...




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by mediavets » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:33 pm

I believe the touchscreen on the TC1100 only works with the tethered stylus and not with fingers or other objects - is that correct?
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by mediavets » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:36 pm

fma38 wrote:Ok, it works fine to control the head :) Here are 2 screenshot, with custom font size usage...

What happens to those larger custom fonts when windows size is default and not fullscreen?
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by fma38 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:46 pm

mediavets wrote:I believe the touchscreen on the TC1100 only works with the tethered stylus and not with fingers or other objects - is that correct?

Yes, because this tablet can be used as a sheet of paper, so you have your hand on it ; a sensitive touchscreen wouldn't work.
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by fma38 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:48 pm

mediavets wrote:
fma38 wrote:Ok, it works fine to control the head :) Here are 2 screenshot, with custom font size usage...

What happens to those larger custom fonts when windows size is default and not fullscreen?

Nothing; the window just automatically has the good size so all fits in. Except for the shooting dialog, because I set the dimensions myself (someone asked to have a larger screen; I have to find a solution there).
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by fma38 » Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:24 pm

As the sun finally returned (after 2 days snowing; the mountains are great!), I made a test outside with the TC1100: it is much brighter than the Nokia 770. Not brighter, in fact, but less reflective, so the ambiant light is less annoying. And using a large font is very helpfull.

I will probably use this afternoon, too shoot panos at the end of the day...
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by mediavets » Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:31 pm

fma38 wrote:As the sun finally returned (after 2 days snowing; the mountains are great!), I made a test outside with the TC1100: it is much brighter than the Nokia 770. Not brighter, in fact, but less reflective, so the ambiant light is less annoying. And using a large font is very helpfull.

Sounds good to me. I''ll keep an eye on eBay to see if I can pick one up cheaply (well you never know your luck).

It will be interesting to see what price the expected Intel Atom based MIDs (Mobile Internet Devices) are when they arrive in 2009.
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by mediavets » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:06 pm

fma38 wrote:I finally received my TC1100.
...............

Ok, I will make more tests in the next days, and try to make a real pano using the Merlin head, outdoor. And I will install APP on it! I forgot to mention that there is an integrated SD card reader; this can be very usefull to make some ttest on the field, to check if the pano worked as expected.

Did you yet install APP on your TC1100 Tablet PC?

I just wondered how it performed.

I have run APP 1.4.2 (and Papywizard) on my old IBM Thinkpad T23 - 1.1GHz P3 and 1GB RAM with 20GB 5400rpm HDD, probably about the same computer power as your TC1100 Tablet PC? - running Windows 2000 Pro. APP runs fine but it's pretty slow stitching and rendering a 7-shot pano taken with my 6MP Nikon D40 and Nikkor 10.5mm FE lens - so not sure how viable it would be to use it to check if a pano had worked as expected in the field.
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by fma38 » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:34 pm

I didn't install APP yet. I think you're right, and it will not be possible to stitch full resolution images. But it is very simple to downsize them, or even use the embedded thumbnails (which are sometimes up to 1024x768), to make a quick preview.
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by Paul » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:35 pm

fma38 wrote:I forgot to mention that there is an integrated SD card reader; this can be very usefull to make some ttest on the field, to check if the pano worked as expected.

Unfortunately the integrated SD card reader is limited to 1 GB. For now I read the SD via an external USB2 card reader.
I don't know if it is possible to read larger SD cards via a PCMCIA card adapter.

And I did not get the wireless connection working on my TC1100, it shows the router but doesn't connect.
So I am searching for right driver version.
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