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Trigger Movie on PW??

by 120to120 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:04 pm

hi,
is it possible to add trigger-movie button in pw?


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by fma38 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:10 pm

As I understand, you want to keep the trigger contact closed for a long time, right? You can set the Time Value up to 3600s (in the shutter plugin configuration). Also enable the Bulb mode so the contact stays closed during the Time Value delay, and it should work.
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by 120to120 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:26 pm

hi fma38,
trigger "movie" contact on, and contact off

no time limit, only on / off button
merlin it should change from trigger / shutter to trigger / movie (2.5 mm jack)
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by mediavets » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:59 am

120to120 wrote:hi fma38,
trigger "movie" contact on, and contact off

no time limit, only on / off button
merlin it should change from trigger / shutter to trigger / movie (2.5 mm jack)

This should work?:
http://www.gentles.ltd.uk/gentled/video.htm
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by fma38 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:07 am

Can't you configure your movie camera so the first trigger starts the movie, and a second press stops the movie? In this case, you just have to use the existing menu...
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by 120to120 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:53 am

Demo: camera is mounted mast at 15m!


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by gkaefer » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:36 am

120to120 wrote:Demo: camera is mounted mast at 15m!

GERMAN:
Josef,
ich habe auch noch verstà¤ndigungsprobleme ;-))
Hast die Nex5 Camera im Bild-Modus schon mit PW ansprechen kà¶nnen, sprich, kannst die mit PW Bilder machen?
kann das Merlin Shutter kabel (stereo 2.5mm mà¤nnlicher Stecker) an der NEX KAmera angeschlossen werden?

da du den 15m Mast erwà¤hnst:
brauchst du/meinst du nicht eher sowas wie ein Feature das folgendes macht:

"fahre zur linken Startpunkt, starte videoaufzeichnung, schwenk nach rechts zur vorher definierten Endposition und dann stop"

ENGLISH:

Josef,
I have still some basic knowlege lacks ;-))
Did you successfully connect the Nex5 camera to the merlin for image shooting and use pw for shutterrelease?
Can the Merlin shutter cable (stereo 2.5mm male plug) be connected to the NEX Cam?

because you mentioned the 15m mast:
do you perhaps not need an dedicated video shutter button but rather a way where following can be realized:

"move Merlin head to left starting position, start video recording, move to defined endposition on right side, and finally stop video recording"

Liebe Gruesse,
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by mediavets » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:54 am

gkaefer wrote:Did you successfully connect the Nex5 camera to the merlin for image shooting and use pw for shutterrelease?
Can the Merlin shutter cable (stereo 2.5mm male plug) be connected to the NEX Cam?

Georg

As far as I know the NEX5 lacks any support for any type of wired remote.

It does support an infrared remote - which is why I suggested the gentled-trigger device (this is the new name for the gemtled-jump that I use with my Nikon D40):
http://www.gentles.ltd.uk/gentled/trigger.htm

You if need a physical shutter button press then you could create a bracket to utilise a shutter button servo trigger - such as this one:
http://www.kapshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=240
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by 120to120 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:51 pm

I already use gentLED IR trigger on the nex-5 with success.
movie- button to power-per trigger.

yes, "move Merlin head to left starting position, start video recording, move to defined endposition on right side, and finally stop video recording"


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by gkaefer » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:04 pm

120to120 wrote:I already use gentLED IR trigger on the nex-5 with success.
movie- button to power-per trigger.

yes, "move Merlin head to left starting position, start video recording, move to defined endposition on right side, and finally stop video recording"

Hi Josef,

english:
so you need a connection between the gentLED IR trigger plug and the 2.5mm stereo plug coming from merlins shutter plug?

german:
Also du brachst eine Verbindung zwischen dem gentLED IR trigger Stecker und dem 2.5mm stereo Kabel, das vom merlin shutter Stecker kommt?

Liebe GrüàŸe,
Georg

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by fma38 » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:53 am

I think 120to120 needs a custom version of Papywizard... As for timelapse, a different application should be better.
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by 120to120 » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:37 am

sorry, the photos are not attached self-explanatory?
merlin / pw and nex-5 works great with gentLED IR trigger
movie-button should work on the nex with power-trigger
pw should work with movie-button

you can merlin / pw use it to film!
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by gkaefer » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:29 pm

120to120 wrote:sorry, the photos are not attached self-explanatory?
merlin / pw and nex-5 works great with gentLED IR trigger
movie-button should work on the nex with power-trigger
pw should work with movie-button

you can merlin / pw use it to film!

Hi Josef,

leider nein. ich kapier es nicht, da ich weder eine NEX kenne noch weiss wie wann was das gentLED IR trigger macht, tue ich mir wqirklich schwer herauszufinden, was du machen mà¶chtest, was schon geht, was nicht geht...

am Merlin gibt es einen Shutter-Stecker, den papywizard ansprechen kann. 3 Pins, einer ist der shutter bzw. foucs und ein dritter die Erdung...

kannst du nicht den shutterpin dieses Kabels (vom shutter stecker des Merlin komment) verwenden und ihn mit einem der Pins jenes Steckers des gentLED IR triggers verbinden, der auf deinem Screenshot zum servo geht?

Liebe GrüàŸe,
Georg

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by gkaefer » Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:02 pm

ok after communicating with Josef following sumup:

nex5+merlin+gentLED IR +papywizard is working on his 15m mast using image-mode of the NEX5.
the nex5 has an additional seperate button to start stop video recording.
And Josef want a solution so he can use merlin shutter release+gentled IR+ ??? + servo-> pressing this video button. next shutter release the servo should press again the video button which is stopping the video.

Is there a way to use the signal coming from shutter plug of merlin which wireless (15m mast) can trigger the servo to start/stop press the videobutton of the nex5?

Josef is today in Vienna visiting TA, perhaps he gets some new ideas/solutions ;-)

Liebe Gruesse,
Georg
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by fma38 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:57 pm

He can use a Pololu servo contrôler (Maestro), which has a Papywizard plugin.

Then, he just has to define the values for trigger on/off, to limit the way of the servo. Then each time he press the Trigger shutter menu, it will start/stop the movie.
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by gkaefer » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:13 pm

fma38 wrote:He can use a Pololu servo contrôler (Maestro), which has a Papywizard plugin.

Then, he just has to define the values for trigger on/off, to limit the way of the servo. Then each time he press the Trigger shutter menu, it will start/stop the movie.

Frederic,
thanks for your tip. Got feedback from Josef, that he will follow this idea during next days...
Josef told me he will finally use both modes parallel. so the shutter trigger is now "occupied" with image shutter of NEX5. could it be possible to use the focus pin of the merlin shutter connection to create the desired connection to the video button of the NEX5 (with the Pololu servo controller)?

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by fma38 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:03 am

There is no focus pin on Merlin; you need the special Telescope Austria bluetooth module, which add this pin (and which has a Papywizard plugin, not yet tested). But Papywizard can independently drives both pins...
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by gkaefer » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:04 am

fma38 wrote:There is no focus pin on Merlin; you need the special Telescope Austria bluetooth module, which add this pin (and which has a Papywizard plugin, not yet tested). But Papywizard can independently drives both pins...

sorry to being unclear, I mean following "focus pin":
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p45603-2009-05-18-16-17-08#p45603

(I had to cut off this pin to make successfully connection between merlin shutter plug->promote control accessory plug->canon eso cam shutter plug - without cutting this the promote control device was blocked because the permanent focus signal is from merlin coming...) Having this in mind I thought this pin could be used for communication between papywizard->...->servo...->video button on the NEX5...

Liebe Gruesse,
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by fma38 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:09 am

This pictures refers to the camera side, which *has* a focus input. But the Merlin only has a shutter contact...
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by gkaefer » Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:14 am

fma38 wrote:This pictures refers to the camera side, which *has* a focus input. But the Merlin only has a shutter contact...

?
again: I had to cut off this pin on my cable connecting merlin shutter plug to promote controol accessory port, because the signal coming from merlin was blocking the promote control so the internal HDR programm could not be started. Dev.Team from promote systems did confirm this behaviour of the Merlin. After using a cable were the "focus" pin was disconnected all is working well.
If your info is correct, why can a signal be transmitted? but ok other construction site...

... and back to Josefs plan this will conclude that he cant realize his double mode option (image / video) with the same cable... he has to decide if he uses the shutter pin for image OR for video on his NEX5.

Liebe Gruesse,
Georg
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