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Panorama of Long Wall - Problem Stitching

by karlo » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:34 pm

HI there!

I have problems stitching a panorama of a long wall. As you can see in the first picture below the beginning and the end are stitched together - although they don't have anything to do with each other (2. picture).

I also posted the prefs below.

Here is the link to the picture set: http://uploaded.to/?id=2mb2xz

Did it with a Canon Eos 350d and the standard lens.

Distance about 3-4 meters (9-12 foot)

Hope someone can help me ;)



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by klausesser » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:50 pm

???? a bit more of information would possibly be helpful . . . . :cool:

Which lens, camera, setup, shooting, distance - which focal-length in the lens-prefs. Why using "adjust lens distortion"?
Does your lens produce any?

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by [bo] » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:23 pm

Use the Control Points editor and remove the link between the first and last image. Then Optimize and after that - use the Center Point tool to set a center point for the pano.

http://www.autopano.net/wiki/action/view/Control_Points_Editor
http://www.autopano.net/wiki/action/view/Geometry_Editing#Set_Center_Point
Some of my panoramas, posted in the Autopano Pro flickr group.

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by karlo » Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:49 pm

I solved it partly:

nothing was wrong with my config. Reducing the image-count did it.

There seems to be a limitation in the Aspect-Ratio of the panoramas - so you can't make VERY wide panoramas - at a specific width the panorama overlaps (as seen in my picture above).

Is this a bug or is there a setting somewhere to fix this problem? Hane not found anything

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by marco-pano » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:00 pm

karlo wrote:... Reducing the image-count did it.

I'm not sure to understand what you mean by "reducing..."
karlo wrote:... There seems to be a limitation in the Aspect-Ratio of the panoramas - so you can't make VERY wide panoramas...

Maybe you are right. I never try APP doing a larger panorama than 360x180° :lol: Probably some trick can do it.
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by karlo » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:13 pm

marco-pano wrote:
karlo wrote:... Reducing the image-count did it.

I'm not sure to understand what you mean by "reducing..."

=> I made the panorama out of less pictures

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by marco-pano » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:53 pm

Dear Karlo, you are a new member, may be new to panorama first.
When you like to post pictures, we genererally prefer that members use the upload integrated in this forum than sending us to outside servers that always add some stupid "Ads"or "PopUp". Thank you.

You said having taken a "panorama" which is basically taking pictures around a center point, and user spend money for a good tripod and pano head to make sure the pictures are taken around the NPP (Non Parallax Point) of the lens.

Seeing your pictures, I guess that you just walk along a wall, taking handheld pictures, not always at same distance from the wall, not always perfectly perpendicular to the wall. This is not panorama but "orthophoto" or "like scanning".

To do this, you should stay always at same distance from the wall and take pictures perpendicular to it (just think that you are a scanner :lol: ).

After loading your set of pictures in the detection group, click on "images properties" button. In the "Settings" window, write 1000 in the control under "Focal (35mm eq.)

Click on the "Open settings" button, make sure "Adjust lens distortion" and "Advanced distortion"checkbox are unchecked.

Then you can launch the detection. You should have better result.

Before thinking that a software may have bugs, please, please, make sure you use it in the rigth way.


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by DamoRed » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:09 pm

I haven't attempted stitching the wall yet, but may I suggest to you to shoot from left to right in future, as it makes sequencing images a a whole lot easier. Less stress on the brain! :lol:

Okay, I made one attempt, and I got what has become known as an Alexandroid :D




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by marco-pano » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:39 pm

Hi DamoRed, your pano is much more beautiful than my stitching :lol: nice Alexandroid !
Could you check that you don't have too many links between "far" neighbourghs, I mean pict#1 -> pict#2, pict#2 -> pict#3, but also pict #1 -> pict #3. This one may be of weak quality and lead to heavy contrains in the panorama, just try to delete too far links.
Of course, don't delete this *.pano file, somebody may be interested :)
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by DamoRed » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:02 pm

With apologies to Pink Floyd... and Karlo! :P


Karlo needs some education,
Panos need some point control,
The forum here will be your classroom
you cannot work handheld alone.

Use... tripod, leave handheld alone!
Now you go and get... another pic of the wall
Bring a tripod and get another pic of the wall





Okay, okay, I know that working handheld is possible, I've done it myself. But the conditions must be right, it doesn't work all the time. Just consider it artistic licence for now! :cool:


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by leedsjoe » Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:53 am

DamoRed wrote:I haven't attempted stitching the wall yet, but may I suggest to you to shoot from left to right in future, as it makes sequencing images a a whole lot easier. Less stress on the brain! :lol:

Damo

This concerns 'stress on the brain' One reason for that stress is the order in which images are displayed in the Control Point Editor At http://www.autopano.net/wiki/action/view/Control_Points_Editor and 'Add Control Points' the documentation makes the point that you can display images in the reverse order by re-sorting on the image number [#] column

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by fma38 » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:16 am

DamoRed wrote:Karlo needs some education,
Panos need some point control,
The forum here will be your classroom
you cannot work handheld alone.

Use... tripod, leave handheld alone!
Now you go and get... another pic of the wall
Bring a tripod and get another pic of the wall

:lol:
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by mediavets » Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:41 am

Karlo
marco-pano wrote:Dear Karlo,

After loading your set of pictures in the detection group, click on "images properties" button. In the "Settings" window, write 1000 in the control under "Focal (35mm eq.)

Click on the "Open settings" button, make sure "Adjust lens distortion" and "Advanced distortion"checkbox are unchecked.

Then you can launch the detection. You should have better result.

marco-pano is quite right. I got an excellent stitch of your image set following his advice. View it as a Flash pano:
http://www.three60views.org.uk/graffiti/pano_graffiti_02.html

You might also find it interesting to try Photosynth with this sort of image set?:
http://livelabs.com/photosynth/

It's Windows only at the moment but wider platform support promised.

This is the sort of result you get:
http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=57CFA0BA-FBE4-4F15-8E9C-AB7D47A34D60

There's not sufficient overlap between images - Photosynth 'likes' about 50% - to link all the images together but it has linked several subsets and left some orphans. Photosynth does quite well with these orthographic images sets.

It is a far from conventional 'stitcher' but has many interesting features and characteristics.
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by DrSlony » Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:03 pm

DamoRed :D

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by DrSlony » Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:06 pm

http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=57CFA0BA-FBE4-4F15-8E9C-AB7D47A34D60
This is what they wrote before their website crashed my browser:
"Unfortunately, we're not cool enough to run on your OS yet. We really wish we had a version of Photosynth that worked cross platform, but for now it only runs on Windows. Trust us, as soon as we have a Mac version ready, it will be up and available on our site."

So I appear to be running Macintux! :D

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by klausesser » Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:06 pm

marco-pano wrote:Maybe you are right. I never try APP doing a larger panorama than 360x180° :lol: Probably some trick can do it.

Like Sugimoto does the "double-infinity" you can surely do a "double-360" . . . :P:cool:

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by marco-pano » Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:58 pm

klausesser wrote:... Like Sugimoto does the "double-infinity" you can surely do a "double-360" . . . :P:cool: .best, Klaus

Sorry, link to this picture is some where in my many CDs. This one is 3 x 360°. Enjoy :lol:


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by klausesser » Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:20 pm

marco-pano wrote:
klausesser wrote:... Like Sugimoto does the "double-infinity" you can surely do a "double-360" . . . :P:cool: .best, Klaus

Sorry, link to this picture is some where in my many CDs. This one is 3 x 360°. Enjoy :lol:

great work, Marco-San . . :cool:
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by mgg310 » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:46 am

Sorry to be a bit dim, but what exactly is a 3 x 360 degree panorama?
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by Paul » Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:44 am

I asked me that same question.

Until I looked to the different scenes on the same spots second and third roundtrip.

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by marco-pano » Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:47 am

Yes, a great work but unfortunately I don't have the author name. This is a 3x360° : look the picture you can see 3 times the same trees but different people in front :cool:
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by mgg310 » Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:13 am

Hmm! Bit dim not quite strong enough!
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by OfF3nSiV3 » Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:51 pm

marco-pano wrote:
klausesser wrote:... Like Sugimoto does the "double-infinity" you can surely do a "double-360" . . . :P:cool: .best, Klaus

Sorry, link to this picture is some where in my many CDs. This one is 3 x 360°. Enjoy :lol:

That's is too awesome!
How did you do that? I need to know!

edit: hum did you swap people between shots?
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by phototrek » Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:35 pm

OfF3nSiV3 wrote:
marco-pano wrote:
klausesser wrote:... Like Sugimoto does the "double-infinity" you can surely do a "double-360" . . . :P:cool: .best, Klaus

Sorry, link to this picture is some where in my many CDs. This one is 3 x 360°. Enjoy :lol:

That's is too awesome!
How did you do that? I need to know!

edit: hum did you swap people between shots?

I think two key ingredients: patience and coordination with cooperative subjects :)
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by DamoRed » Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:52 pm

Marco, I love that idea. I'm thinking about trying it for a friend's wedding in a couple of weeks. First condition, if the weather is fine and suitable.. and if I can get everyone away from the bar long enough!

Just thinking about the headache it will be to organise it... 'ok, you're done, scoot...now, Sir & Madam, can you please take that spot and don't move until I come around again'.


1080º later.. "I'm dizzy, somebody get me a drink" :P


I'm not the main photographer, (And they're not getting a wedding album anyway) so I can spend a little time on it without worrying about the 'money shots'. It may be a case where I can only get the Bridal Party and a few family and do one rotation. If so, then that's okay too, I can then close it at that and they've got a rather different image and a movie for their website.

I've photographed weddings on my own a number of times and I know how time can disappear so easily. Doing something different like this would definitely not have been possible, even if I'd known about panoramics then.


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