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Pyramid stacked or deep zoom images

by mgrant » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:10 pm

Is there some way to save a pano image as some sort of stacked image format that can be zoomed into like on the gigapan website? Microsoft seems to have a DZI image file/folder format for this.

Ideally I'm looking for some easy work flow that allows me to create a pano in some stacked format and then put them on my own website. Can anyone recommend anything?

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Re: Pyramid stacked or deep zoom images

by mediavets » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:52 pm

mgrant wrote:Is there some way to save a pano image as some sort of stacked image format that can be zoomed into like on the gigapan website? Microsoft seems to have a DZI image file/folder format for this.

Ideally I'm looking for some easy work flow that allows me to create a pano in some stacked format and then put them on my own website. Can anyone recommend anything?

Michael


See: http://www.bigmike.it/gigapx2pano/index.html

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Re: Pyramid stacked or deep zoom images

by gkaefer » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:16 pm

mgrant wrote:Is there some way to save a pano image as some sort of stacked image format that can be zoomed into like on the gigapan website? Microsoft seems to have a DZI image file/folder format for this.

Ideally I'm looking for some easy work flow that allows me to create a pano in some stacked format and then put them on my own website. Can anyone recommend anything?

Michael


no ... in reply to your question .... no its not possible to create some sort of stacked Image using autopano giga.

But you can achieve what you're describing:
using autopano giga 3.0 (apg) to create the pano... (this can be some Gigabyte sized tiff or Image safed with kolor own Format .kro)
... and panotour pro 2.0 (ptp) (currently RC1) to take this pano to create a deep zoomable Panorama visitable via Website you can embedd to your site.
ptp creates tiles (some dozens square Images up to some Million square Images)
These tiles represent different zoomlevels of your initial Panorama.
so if you create a 18mm spherical pano with 31 Images you may have 3 zoomlevels. and depending of the zoomlevel you visitor is using on your final web-pano the corresponding tiles Level will be displayed.
if you use a 120mm lens you will have 10-15 Levels of zoom, with different tilesizes etc. too.
ptp than also creates an html page automatically linking to your tiles and the "krpano" Player (Flash, html5, JavaScript etc.) is used that the enduser can deepzom into your pano and the Player is automatically selecting the corresponding tiles and putting all the tiles together so the enduser does not even notice that he finally is seeing an Image made of dozen-millions of small square Image put together to a perfect puzzle.

in consequence a gigapixel pano can have multiple gigabytes on your webserver and uploading millions of small Images can also be a jigsaw challenge....
but the enduser will have not to download all Gigabyte of data first until he can view the pano... because using the multi-leveling and Splitting into small tiles it will only take some milliseconds up to some seconds until the final pano can be viewed online...

just download apg than you can download some demo Images from net (60mb from here: http://hdview.at/speedtest/index.html )
create your pano, save it as jgp.
download panotour 2.0 rc1 and use the pano you created to create a tour using the fullpage.html template
without closing ptp than preview the final tour created using the preview button inside ptp...
... and Review all the files created by ptp on your harddisk ;-))

If you use wordpress than you can use panopress plugin to easily embedd your pano (tour created with ptp)
http://www.panopress.org/

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Re: Pyramid stacked or deep zoom images

by mediavets » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:15 pm

Another option - Zoomify:

http://www.zoomify.com/default.htm

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Re: Pyramid stacked or deep zoom images

by mgrant » Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:46 am

I played with a few of these now, thanks.

I tried GigaPX2Pano Free. It does indeed produce a pyramid stack of images from a tiff or other raw image (not jpg). The javascript thing it creates produces a very jerky image when you zoom. It is not smooth. But it does seem to work.

I also tried out Microsoft's Deep Zoom Composer. This produces a very smooth zoomable embeddable image. But I encountered a couple problems. One friend of mine on linux, probably using the Ice Weasel browser said it asked him to install Silverlight. I did not experience that with Chrome on Windows and I verified that I did not have Silverlight enabled in Chrome.

The second problem I had was when I tried to view the image on an Android phone. The pinch-and-zoom did not do what one might expect. It zoomed the image but only just as it zooms anything in Android. It did not pass the zooming through to the javascript. In order to zoom into the image I had to press the +/- buttons within the image, not incredibly fast to zoom in. Quite counter intuitive if you think pinching will do the same thing. I suspect that most of these javascript things are going to have this particular problem.

I did not try the Pano Tour Pro simply because of the cost. I just can't justify spending another several hundred euros on this.

There are some other packages listed on the panopress webpage: Pano2VR, KRPano, Panotour Pro, Flashificator & FPP, PTGui, OpenPano SaladoPlayer. Of those, Salado seems free but I couldn't get it to work. Except for PTP, the others are between €50-150.

I have to say that it sure would be nice if Auto Giga Pano would just save the resulting image as some sort of image stack with some embedable javascript. When you get huge pano images, it's hard to imagine anything else to do with them. It would also make the work flow so much easier having that in one tool rather than having to import that to a second tool.
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Re: Pyramid stacked or deep zoom images

by Destiny » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:07 am

Just for info.. Zoomify has a all new version coming out very soon.. I have been working with David Urbanic, President & CEO of Zoomify, on beta testing the new features.. Some of them are very useful since they use JS and HTML5 so they will work very well with PTP V2+.. There are many great new features.. I will apprise the forum when its available for purchase... Well worth buying... =D

Destiny...

mediavets wrote:Another option - Zoomify:

http://www.zoomify.com/default.htm

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Re: Pyramid stacked or deep zoom images

by mediavets » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:15 am

mgrant wrote:I played with a few of these now, thanks.

I tried GigaPX2Pano Free. It does indeed produce a pyramid stack of images from a tiff or other raw image (not jpg). The javascript thing it creates produces a very jerky image when you zoom. It is not smooth. But it does seem to work.

It was very fluid and smooth when I tried. I think I probably used the Pro version in trial mode. Which player/viewer did you use? I used the PanoJS3 viewer. It even worked with an old Nokia N800 Internet Tablet as a viewer.
http://www.dimin.net/software/panojs/

I did not try the Pano Tour Pro simply because of the cost. I just can't justify spending another several hundred euros on this.

How large - pixel resolution - are your images. The standard edition of Panotour i sless cost;y anmd hnadle simages up to 200 mega pixels.

There are some other packages listed on the panopress webpage: Pano2VR, KRPano, Panotour Pro, Flashificator & FPP, PTGui, OpenPano SaladoPlayer. Of those, Salado seems free but I couldn't get it to work. Except for PTP, the others are between €50-150.

Panotour and Panotour Pro are GUI front-ends for the krpano Panorama Viewers - you can use krpano+krpano tools alone. krpano is renowned for its multi-res. tiling capabilities.

Pano2VR can also generate tiled multi-res.. I don't know how well it copes with gigapixel images.

None of the others mentioned can do that AFAIK.

I have to say that it sure would be nice if Auto Giga Pano would just save the resulting image as some sort of image stack with some embedable javascript. When you get huge pano images, it's hard to imagine anything else to do with them. It would also make the work flow sp much easier having that in one tool rather than having to import that to a second tool.

You could publish them on the Gigapan site.

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Re: Pyramid stacked or deep zoom images

by klausesser » Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:45 pm

mgrant wrote:Is there some way to save a pano image as some sort of stacked image format that can be zoomed into like on the gigapan website? Microsoft seems to have a DZI image file/folder format for this.

Ideally I'm looking for some easy work flow that allows me to create a pano in some stacked format and then put them on my own website. Can anyone recommend anything?

Michael



I´m not sure to understand precisely what you mean.

But what i understand is that the functionality is already there: use PTP and render as .swf or html5/js (with multires on tablets/phones). Then you dupicate the "xx.html" and rename it to "index.html" and put the folder on your webspace resp. link to it in your website or implement it in a window on your website.
You also can use KRPano´s droplets "Make VTour (Multires)" or "Make Pano (Multires)" instead of PTP. I doubt it can be done easier and faster.

This way you can show your hi-res images in a fast and comfortable way for the visitor.

I used the GigapanSite for this: http://gigapan.com/gigapans/97639 . . . just load up your image and it´s done. It´s for free.

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Re: Pyramid stacked or deep zoom images

by mediavets » Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:49 pm

klausesser wrote:
mgrant wrote:Is there some way to save a pano image as some sort of stacked image format that can be zoomed into like on the gigapan website? Microsoft seems to have a DZI image file/folder format for this.

Ideally I'm looking for some easy work flow that allows me to create a pano in some stacked format and then put them on my own website. Can anyone recommend anything?

Michael



I´m not sure to understand precisely what you mean.

But what i understand is that the functionality is already there: use PTP and render as .swf or html5/js (with multires on tablets/phones). Then you dupicate the "xx.html" and rename it to "index.html" and put the folder on your webspace resp. link to it in your website or implement it in a window on your website.
You also can use KRPano´s droplets "Make VTour (Multires)" or "Make Pano (Multires)" instead of PTP. I doubt it can be done easier and faster.

This way you can show your hi-res images in a fast and comfortable way for the visitor.

Klaus


Yes...but he says he cannot justify the purchase of a PTP license for what he wants to do.

I have suggested several alternatives including krpano+krpano tools.

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Re: Pyramid stacked or deep zoom images

by mgrant » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:08 am

I know the gigapan site, I do have some images up there. I really want to do this on my own site.

I spent quite a bit of time playing with Microsoft's Deep Zoom Composer which is free. I did get it to work after a fashion but I couldn't get it to resize the actual element on the screen. It sort of works with that PanoPress plugin for wordpress. It puts the pano in a square box on the page, no way to adjust that box, however, the actual mechanics of the pano zooming seem to work fine. Shame about the size.

I also played with the krpano tools droplet and this seemed to work with PanoPress.

If AutoGigaPano is partly based on this underlying tool, it would be nice if it had an option to save a pano like this. Just seems strange to only include this feature in PTP (I don't need any of the tour features), just wanting to display the pano itself on my own website.

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Re: Pyramid stacked or deep zoom images

by mediavets » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:31 am

mgrant wrote:I know the gigapan site, I do have some images up there. I really want to do this on my own site.

I f I had a lot of gigapixel panos I think I'd prefer to have them on someone else's server using the data tariff and not mine.

I spent quite a bit of time playing with Microsoft's Deep Zoom Composer which is free. I did get it to work after a fashion but I couldn't get it to resize the actual element on the screen. It sort of works with that PanoPress plugin for wordpress. It puts the pano in a square box on the page, no way to adjust that box, however, the actual mechanics of the pano zooming seem to work fine. Shame about the size.

I also played with the krpano tools droplet and this seemed to work with PanoPress.

If AutoGigaPano is partly based on this underlying tool, it would be nice if it had an option to save a pano like this. Just seems strange to only include this feature in PTP (I don't need any of the tour features), just wanting to display the pano itself on my own website.[/quote]
It is not, APP/APG has nothing to do with krpano.

It is Panotour and Panotour Pro that are GUI front-end code generators for the krpano Panorama Viewers.


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