mediavets wrote:Yes it still uses control points because no robotic head is precise enough to place images completely accurately without CP optimization.
DTFrontMan wrote:This example has closer to exact image placement, though this panorama uses only one shot for straight up while I switched to 10 for my previous example. If I were able to use this EXACT image placement for all panoramas using the same number of shots I would be happy, but it always relies on control points which adds some degree of randomness to the process.
DTFrontMan wrote:mediavets wrote:Yes it still uses control points because no robotic head is precise enough to place images completely accurately without CP optimization.
If it were to place these images in the same grid they were shot in with my pano head the image would look proper. My pano head shoots exactly the same every time,
all I want is for Autopano to place the images exactly the same every time. The way it's adding influence through control points is actually making my panoramas come out wrong.
DTFrontMan wrote:Sorry but I do know what I'm talking about.
Fact is my pano head shoots in a grid, 100% exact or not it shoots accurately enough that placement would be fine if Autopano would just line them up without mucking the image using it's control points.
I have another example showing the images in the import dialog where it actually DOES place them in a grid, I want them placed like this in the main program.
Another example showing the final image and how it renders fine when manually placing them in the grid pattern my pano head shoots in.
DTFrontMan wrote:In case you want to tell me that the clouds won't render properly with the grid shot by my pano head which I entered manually, I have an example using a lower exposure with the same exact shooting grid. These results are better than the first example I gave using control points obviously, as the control points produced a huge gap at the top. Using this grid for all panos WOULD work perfectly fine for me but the control points make it completely random.
DTFrontMan wrote: I have an image attached here showing the types of results I'm getting using the Gigapan import dialog, you can see how the image grid should be (images 1-50 are lined up reasonably well though not exact). Were it to continue following this grid pattern for the rest of the images it would be perfect, but the control points it creates for the clouds make the image placement shift causing a gap at the top. It's trying to line up features in the clouds and because they were moving the control points moved as well, if it were lined up in a proper (precise) grid the way I want then image cutting when rendering would handle the job in a manner I'd be happy with.
DTFrontMan wrote:All I want to know is if I can use the same exact image placement from one group on another regardless of control points, and I'm telling I can't find any way do this. The last example I posted are the results I'm looking for and I have absolutely no way to use that exact image placement for the next group of images, I don't want to make any use of it's control points only it's cutting when rendering. This WOULD work for me and that is what I want (plain and simple). Honestly I think you're being extremely rude in your responses, whether or not you think this is the proper way of doing things is irrelevant because I am personally aware that this is what I want to do.
Honestly I think you're being extremely rude in your responses, whether or not you think this is the proper way of doing things is irrelevant because I am personally aware that this is what I want to do.
DTFrontMan wrote:Thank you, I appreciate the understanding and I apologize if I was being difficult. I know that you were trying to help me get the best results possible, I'm just trying for a workflow that's better for me rather than perfection. What I'm doing is HDRI panoramas with 7 exposures each and I've had much success doing so in the past, my best results have come from groups using a very precise grid like the indoor example I posted. My hope was that I could use this good result as the template putting my images in those same exact spots, as I feel the rendered results would be good enough for what I'm doing regardless of not using any control points. These HDRIs are mostly for lighting and reflection maps, with a single exposure panorama being where I want the best results (as that is used for backgrounds and the only part actually seen in end result).
I have tried creating my own templates, this is what I originally wanted to create the thread for. When creating a template it wouldn't let me use it, even though I created the template from a group using 420 images and tried using it on another group of 420 images it would tell me the number of images was different. This appears to only be a problem with bracketed images though, I've been experimenting and when saving them from panoramas with a single exposure for each position (60 images) it allows me to use the created template just fine. You were right in saying it's just a guide for creating control points though, even using the templates my images end up in different positions.
I suppose I just need to hope for a "disable control points" option.
It wouldn't be too much of an issue if I wasn't dealing with so many images, when using the bracketed shots there is a whole lot of manual adjustments needed when the control points come in unfavorably.
Thanks for the help. I've actually been looking into buying a new pano head as my Epic 100 doesn't support the new camera I bought. My eyes have been on the Epic Pro as I've enjoyed my time with Gigapan, would you have any suggestions for a head that would better suit my needs in this situation?
You mentioned heads that export documents for Autopano to import and I know the Panogear head does this, do you know if these XMLs would help me preserve the image's actual angle rather than where Autopano thinks it should be?
With stacks I believe that you should be able to move a stack as if it was a single image.
Did you experiment with the Detection options in the Gigapan Import wizard? Not sure what they do.
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