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What do I need to create a virtual tour + use iPhone/iPad gyroscope?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:54 am
by OM2
I'm confused - Kolor has too many products and solutions!

I want to create virtual tours - all around left to right AND top to bottom

What do I need?

Importantly: I need to have something that will work on iPhone and iPads

Very important: I want some javascript that will use the gyroscope feature of iPhone/iPad
I've seen some code around for this - but I'm just looking for a simple solution - i.e. I take the correct pics, press a button and I now have my results!

What do I need?

Thanks!


OM

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:13 pm
by gkaefer
you need autopano or autopano giga if you need a software to create pano images with
you need panotour or panotour pro if you need a sodtware to create a virtual tour.

panotour or panotour:
http://www.kolor.com/panotour-panotour-pro-comparison.html
if you insist on the gyro feature than the pro is yours...

autopano or autopano giga:
http://www.kolor.com/autopano-pro-giga-comparison.html
if you ever wanna do gigapixels or wanna have influence on HDR than the giga is yours...

Georg

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:49 pm
by mediavets
OM2 wrote:What do I need? Thanks!

OM

If you don't have a proper pano head you'll need one.

What camera and lens(es) do you have?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:43 am
by OM2
thanks for the reply

>> if you insist on the gyro feature than the pro is yours...
forgetting about the price, is there any negative to using the gyro feature? like is it buggy or causes unreponsiveness in some way?

>> gigapixels??
is that a really really big picture?

>> HDR??
what's the? is that relating to video?

let me know

thanks

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:39 am
by OM2
mediavets wrote:
OM2 wrote:What do I need? Thanks!

OM

If you don't have a proper pano head you'll need one.

What camera and lens(es) do you have?

pano head?? what's that? (apologies - i'm a complete newbie)

camera - nothing professional + no special lenses
i have a Fuji Finepix S2500 HD

is this ok? do i need anything else?

THANKS

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:43 am
by gkaefer
OM2 wrote:
mediavets wrote:
OM2 wrote:What do I need? Thanks!

OM

If you don't have a proper pano head you'll need one.

What camera and lens(es) do you have?

pano head?? what's that? (apologies - i'm a complete newbie)

camera - nothing professional + no special lenses
i have a Fuji Finepix S2500 HD

is this ok? do i need anything else?

THANKS

if you wanna take a pano you have to position you camera to take the images, the images need some overlap 10-30%.
if the overlap is not consistent thant the stitching program can/will have a problem creating the pano.
if the camera is not located in the NPP point (no parallax point) than the stitching software will/can have a problem creating the pano.
the NPP is that point the entry point of the light entereing the lens never moves when you rotate your camera with your panohead to take the images.

now you can take a manual head (you have to move the head horzontally/vertically manually:
http://nodalninja.com/products/productSelector/product_selector.html
there are many more others this is just as example...

if you wanna take panos with less images, the manual head can be a fast and cheap and solid solution for you.
if you ever wanna do higher resolution panos (50mm,100mm etc.) than a automatic head can be the solution.
one of the entry level head is the merlin/orion named head which is kolor also selling under the name panogear:
http://www.kolor.com/panogear-motorized-panoramic-head.html
(I still use one and the limits of this head are 300mm lenses because of missing NPP and of the weight....)
the panogear does have the T&C handheld device, which is plugged into the panogear and which does all the calculation where and when and how to move the head automatically to achieve an 360x180 panorama or any other choosen pattern....

theres no limit with automatic heads...
search for Seitz VR Drive; Josefs new head named panoneed (should finally ;-)) come before photokina)
they are more precise, more expensive, panoheads capable doing HDR, bracketing etc...

Georg

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:00 am
by mediavets
OM2 wrote:
mediavets wrote:
OM2 wrote:What do I need? Thanks!

OM

If you don't have a proper pano head you'll need one.

What camera and lens(es) do you have?

pano head?? what's that? (apologies - i'm a complete newbie)

camera - nothing professional + no special lenses
i have a Fuji Finepix S2500 HD

is this ok? do i need anything else?

THANKS

You appear to have a 2-year-old super-zoom compact camera with min. focal length of 28mm - available now (still) new for about £130.

Is it really worth (to you) spending many hundreds of pounds on a pano head and software to try and get good results with a (far) less than optimal camera/lens? I think you will need 30+ images to cover a full 360x180 degree spherical panorama.

Are you hoping/planning to shoot panos and produce i-Device compatible virtual tours as a hobby or as a commerical activity?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:07 pm
by OM2
guys thanks for the replies
George: awesome reply - packed with info. reading through links now
one of the links showed a video - what type of camera do i need to use here??
i assume my camera won't do it - as i won't be able to control using a laptop?
or is the laptop automation part connected to the pano head? in which case how to pics get taken?

how much are the manual heads?
to start with - how much extra time and effort will it take to do WITHOUT a pano head?
if i didn't have a pano head - how hard is it to create a panoramic tour?

@mediavets: the end result is for a commercial purpose
so u would say that using my current camera is a bad idea?
as soon as i can get enough monies, i want to get a canon 7d or 5d if the budget stretches

QUESTION: forget about the camera for an instant, how much do i need to invest to get equipped to be able to do panaramic tours? how much for the software? how much for a pano head? is there anything else i need?

thanks

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:38 pm
by gkaefer
most of all: time to get experienced! its very simple but this is fact!

if you wanna do commercial panos: canon 5dMkII is a good and cheap standard "alternative"
and some lenses.
one fisheye 10-20mm for internal panos
one 24-35mm for standard outside panos
up to 85mm or so for higher res. panos
take prime lenses for qualitiy reasons
to speed up workflow take care you dont use manual lenses (they're cheaper but no exif data is written and so the data must be recorded on paper and than manually added to the raw files or tiffs)
not to forget a rock sturdy tripod to avoid shaking

so autopano giga and panotour pro around 500€
panogear 500€ or some more prof heads like VE Drive II or Josefs panoneed head for around 2000€
T&C handheld device 250€
tripod 300-800€

you can have a look at my gigapixel site there're more links to software & hardware I use (as non profi) ...

PS: the canon 5dMkII and some smaller lenses (<100mm) can be used with the panogear without problems...
nodal prices: http://store.nodalninja.com/index.php/pano-heads/m1.html
there're certainly cheaper ones on makret (panosaur rex or so... but never used one manual head, so cant say something about usage or drawbacks etc...)

Josefs panoneed also uses the TC handheld device (which itself is made by Josef again www.typeandcolour.de the source quiet outdate the site an update with the new panoneed head and renewed design is on the way...). The Seitz VR Drive II http://www.roundshot.ch/xml_1/internet/de/application/d438/d927/f1033.cfm
comes with its own device also awsome device. Both heads produce logfiles in form of xml files and in papywizard compatible format you can use with autopanos import wizzard. This is essential if your panos does contain much sky or similar patterns and you dont wanna move hundrets of images manually within autopano to its correct position... so even if automatic panoheads are not really needed with indoors fisheye panos containing only a view source images. But to keep workflow consistent on many pano projects I would use rather a automatic head instead of changing head...

Georg

PPS: also found here:
Panomachine http://www.kolor.com/forum/t14863-mk-panomachine-8.0-panoramic-robot
Josefs head infos: http://www.kolor.com/forum/t14256-now-finally

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:42 pm
by hankkarl
Your first investment should be in knowledge. This won't cost anything but your time. Go and read the APG documentation, including the case studies and user tips. There is a lot of info on the internet.

After you read the documentation, try using the string method (Explained in the documentation) and your camera and a trial version of APP or APG.

Do not buy anything until you know what you are doing and have tried a few tests.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:15 pm
by mediavets
OM2 wrote:how much are the manual heads?

Where do you live? Some products are more readily available in some countries than others.

The Nodal Ninja range of pano heads is very popular and covers all and any requirements for a manual pano head:

http://www.nodalninja.com

to start with - how much extra time and effort will it take to do WITHOUT a pano head?
if i didn't have a pano head - how hard is it to create a panoramic tour?

Without a proper pano head I'd say it is almost impossible to create a 360x180 pano of an interior scene, and very very difficult for an exterior scene especially with a min. focal length of 28mm!

@mediavets: the end result is for a commercial purpose - so u would say that using my current camera is a bad idea?

Yes. It's a bad idea.

as soon as i can get enough monies, i want to get a canon 7d or 5d if the budget stretches

What commercial market do you hope to address - domestic real estate? Or...?

QUESTION: forget about the camera for an instant, how much do i need to invest to get equipped to be able to do panaramic tours? how much for the software? how much for a pano head? is there anything else i need?

The answers depend to some extent on the camera - so it's very difficult to offer answers without considering the camera.