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How to create Virtual Tour like this??

by ommaney » Sun May 23, 2010 8:08 am

Hi Everyone,

My name is Ryan and I'm a Chinese from Hong Kong but working as an Art Director in advertising in Shanghai.

I think most of you are in the commercial field of QTVR but I wish I can still learn from all of you to enrich my personal interest.

I like Traveling and just started QTVR as a hobby, because I want to put them together so that I can share my journey in a more interesting way with my friends.

I'm now using Autopano Giga on Mac platform without any knowledge of krpano or XML coding.

I can now do some simple QTVR, I can also use Autopano Tour to put more than one stitched images to create a virtual tour, but I found that resolution is not high enough and I can only create hotspots to link the images.

I and then found this http://www.autopano.net/en/application/hotels.html with pull down menu and this http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/visite-val-vignes/index.html with custom graphic menu to display multiple spots and higher resolution images when zoom in.

I just want to know if they can be done by Autopano Tour or do I need extra plugin like krpano tools or XML coding?? I have download the trail version of krpano tools but don't know how it works with Autopano Tour.

I just don't want to send still photos to my friends after traveling, I want to send a beautiful virtual tour to them so that they can enjoy more and feel what I feel in the journey.

Thank you all of you in advance, and wish I'm welcome here and learn from all of you.

In addition, if any of you want to come to Shanghai for the Shanghai Expo, let me know and I can show you around in Shanghai.

All the best,

Ryan
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by mediavets » Sun May 23, 2010 8:42 am

ommaney wrote:I'm now using Autopano Giga on Mac platform without any knowledge of krpano or XML coding.

I can now do some simple QTVR, I can also use Autopano Tour to put more than one stitched images to create a virtual tour, but I found that resolution is not high enough and I can only create hotspots to link the images.

I and then found this http://www.autopano.net/en/application/hotels.html with pull down menu and this http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/visite-val-vignes/index.html with custom graphic menu to display multiple spots and higher resolution images when zoom in.

I just want to know if they can be done by Autopano Tour or do I need extra plugin like krpano tools or XML coding?? I have download the trail version of krpano tools but don't know how it works with Autopano Tour.

Ryan

Ryan,

Welcome to the forum...

You need a full licence for krpano. You then 'register' that licence in Autopano Tour and it will enable more davanced features/capabilities in Autopano Tour (APT) including the drop-down list feature and higher resolution output.

As an APG user you can get a discount on the krpano licence if purchased via the Kolor web store:
http://www.kolor.com/buy/software/krpano/krpano-flash-panorama-viewer-unlimited-domain-license.html

"You already own Autopano Giga? Get the KrPano license for 80 euros instead of 90 euros: use the discount code PROMOPLDA in your basket (you must be logged to your account first)."

You should also use the very latest beta version of APT which has more features - V 1.1 beta 7 - which is available here:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t7116-apt-v1.1-beta

APT is a GUI front-end/XML generator for the krpano Flash Panorama Viewer.

krpano is a Flash viewer/player for panoramas and virtual tours (VTs) that is controlled by means of XML formatted command files. APT can generate these via its GUI, alternatively you can hand code the XML files.

APT offers easier access to a subset of the capabillities of the krpano command set. If you have a full krpano licence you can make the XML files generated by APT available for further hand editing.

The second example you cited - http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/visite-val-vignes/index.html - would require some hand coding, I think. But you could get very close to the effects you see with APT alone, if you also have a full krpano licence.
..........

In my opinion, to retain your 'street cred' (as 'A Chinese Art Director from Hong Kong but working in Shanghai') you should drop the term 'QTVR'. ;)

The 'QT' part relates specifically to Apple's QuickTime and today QuickTime and QTVR are very little used in the panorama/VT world. Flash has taken its place as a more capable and universal 'platform' because Apple failed to develop the VR features of QT and also failed to provide good support for QT on a wide range of operating systems.
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by ommaney » Sun May 23, 2010 9:20 am

mediavets wrote:
ommaney wrote:I'm now using Autopano Giga on Mac platform without any knowledge of krpano or XML coding.

I can now do some simple QTVR, I can also use Autopano Tour to put more than one stitched images to create a virtual tour, but I found that resolution is not high enough and I can only create hotspots to link the images.

I and then found this http://www.autopano.net/en/application/hotels.html with pull down menu and this http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/visite-val-vignes/index.html with custom graphic menu to display multiple spots and higher resolution images when zoom in.

I just want to know if they can be done by Autopano Tour or do I need extra plugin like krpano tools or XML coding?? I have download the trail version of krpano tools but don't know how it works with Autopano Tour.

Ryan

Ryan,

Welcome to the forum...

You need a full licence for krpano. You then 'register' that licence in Autopano Tour and it will enable more davanced features/capabilities in Autopano Tour (APT) including the drop-down list feature and higher resolution output.

I believe that as an APG user you can get a discount on the krpano licence if purchased via the Kolor web store.

You should, also use the very latest beta version of APT which has more features - V 1.1 beta 7 - which is available here:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t7116-apt-v1.1-beta

APT is a GUI front-end/XML generator for the krpano Flash Panorama Viewer.

krpano is a Flash viewer/player for panoramas and virtual tours (VTs) that is controlled by means of XML formatted command files. APT can generate these via its GUI, alternatively you can hand code the XML files.

APT offers easier access to a subset of the capabillities of the krpano command set. If you have a full krpano licence you can make the XML files generated by APT available for further hand editing.

The second example you cited - http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/visite-val-vignes/index.html - would require some hand coding, I think. But you could get very close to the effects you see with APT alone, if you also have a full krpano licence.
..........

In my opinion, to retain your 'street cred' (as 'A Chinese Art Director from Hong Kong but working in Shanghai') you should drop the term 'QTVR'. ;)

The 'QT' part relates specifically to Apple's QuickTime and today QuickTime and QTVR are very little used in the panorama/VT world. Flash has taken its place as a more capable and universal 'platform' because Apple failed to develop the VR features of QT and also failed to provide good support for QT on a wide range of operating systems.

Hi Mediavets,

Thank you very very much for your reply and the information, I will go to purchase the krpano license soon and have a try.

If I want to learn how to hand code the the XML files, can you suggest me where to start and how to get the tutorial to learn??

Once again, thank you for your kindness!!

all the best,

Ryan
A Chinese Art Director from Hong Kong but working in Shanghai, also a beginner in immersive world

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by mediavets » Sun May 23, 2010 11:11 am

ommaney wrote:If I want to learn how to hand code the the XML files, can you suggest me where to start and how to get the tutorial to learn??

Once again, thank you for your kindness!!

all the best,

Ryan

Hand coding krpano XML command files from scratch seems still to be mainly the preserve of 'nerds'. That is one of the reasons why Kolor developed Autopano Tour - to make some of the power of krpano available to 'the rest of us', mere pano photographers.

I am not aware of any tutorials; but perhaps the best way to get into it is to inspect the XML files generated by APT and then consult the reference documentation for krpano commands (although some of the newest commands seem only to be documented in posts on the forum) to see how it all goes together:
http://krpano.com/docu/

There is also a krpano forum whose members will often be willing to offer advice and assistance on hand coding:
http://krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.php?l=2

However you may well find that you can do everything you want to do with APT - at least when starting out - and we can expect APT to continue to develop, adding features and functionality, in the future.

You might also like to have a look at this krpano Code Editor (KRCE) which is in development (doesn't run on Macs though):
http://krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=2424
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by Ma Trekker » Sun May 23, 2010 11:46 am

Hi Ommaney,

Thank you for your interest in my work : http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/visite-val-vignes/index.html

As I speak very few english, I'm preparing an answer so that you'll have some elements to start with and think about how to progress. If you are Art Director in advertising, no doubt you will find great interest in the virtual photography (not only for your friends and family).

See you soon...

Ma
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by Ma Trekker » Sun May 23, 2010 12:31 pm

...Me again,

Mediavets gave very good answers to your questions (I've just finished to read them).

As you and most of us, I started with no knowledge at all of xml coding and a real and absolute lack of knowledge about the way it could be done. We started some years ago with Panoguy and Easypano, then upgraded to DevalVR. Then we tried Flashpanorama and Krpano. I hesitated for some time, but rapidly came to Krpano, as it appeared to be the best way to do what I wanted to do.

If you are using autopanotour, it's not far from Krpano. Much easier (no knowledge of xml required) and much quicker. But if you want to do something elaborated and personalised, I recommend Krpano.

As Mediavets said, you have to buy a license (the complete license is better as you can add rather heavy tours), download the files on your computer and start to examine the "examples". A the same time, go to the "help" that you will find in the "tools, examples, documentation and plugin" headings of the website http://www.krpano.com

You'll have to immerge into this particular world, but I can reassure you, I started from "nothing" and I'm not especially clever. So, if you are really interested, you will achieve your goal.

As far as this example is concerned, it's fully made with Krpano 8, but I added some "outside elements" as html tables, rows, flash animations, pictures, drawings and slideshows. I started as if I was creating an html page and inserted our visits at the end in the middle of the table.

You can ignore the tables and use css layers, the result will be the same. There are several ways to do, that's why it's interesting.

See our latest visit, it's about the inside of an Abbey (Abbaye d'Hautecombe in Savoy). I added a small radio with 4 songs (+ control of volume, possibility to listen to another song, to come back to the previous sound...)

Here's the link :

http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/visite-abbaye/index.html

See you soon,

Ma :)
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by ommaney » Sun May 23, 2010 4:59 pm

mediavets wrote:
ommaney wrote:If I want to learn how to hand code the the XML files, can you suggest me where to start and how to get the tutorial to learn??

Once again, thank you for your kindness!!

all the best,

Ryan

Hand coding krpano XML command files from scratch seems still to be mainly the preserve of 'nerds'. That is one of the reasons why Kolor developed Autopano Tour - to make some of the power of krpano available to 'the rest of us', mere pano photographers.

I am not aware of any tutorials; but perhaps the best way to get into it is to inspect the XML files generated by APT and then consult the reference documentation for krpano commands (although some of the newest commands seem only to be documented in posts on the forum) to see how it all goes together:
http://krpano.com/docu/

There is also a krpano forum whose members will often be willing to offer advice and assistance on hand coding:
http://krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.php?l=2

However you may well find that you can do everything you want to do with APT - at least when starting out - and we can expect APT to continue to develop, adding features and functionality, in the future.

You might also like to have a look at this krpano Code Editor (KRCE) which is in development (doesn't run on Macs though):
http://krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=2424

Thank you again for your kindness, I will try my best and will post some work here once I feel comfortable ha ha

all the best,

Ryan
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by ommaney » Sun May 23, 2010 5:19 pm

Ma Trekker wrote:...Me again,

Mediavets gave very good answers to your questions (I've just finished to read them).

As you and most of us, I started with no knowledge at all of xml coding and a real and absolute lack of knowledge about the way it could be done. We started some years ago with Panoguy and Easypano, then upgraded to DevalVR. Then we tried Flashpanorama and Krpano. I hesitated for some time, but rapidly came to Krpano, as it appeared to be the best way to do what I wanted to do.

If you are using autopanotour, it's not far from Krpano. Much easier (no knowledge of xml required) and much quicker. But if you want to do something elaborated and personalised, I recommend Krpano.

As Mediavets said, you have to buy a license (the complete license is better as you can add rather heavy tours), download the files on your computer and start to examine the "examples". A the same time, go to the "help" that you will find in the "tools, examples, documentation and plugin" headings of the website http://www.krpano.com

You'll have to immerge into this particular world, but I can reassure you, I started from "nothing" and I'm not especially clever. So, if you are really interested, you will achieve your goal.

As far as this example is concerned, it's fully made with Krpano 8, but I added some "outside elements" as html tables, rows, flash animations, pictures, drawings and slideshows. I started as if I was creating an html page and inserted our visits at the end in the middle of the table.

You can ignore the tables and use css layers, the result will be the same. There are several ways to do, that's why it's interesting.

See our latest visit, it's about the inside of an Abbey (Abbaye d'Hautecombe in Savoy). I added a small radio with 4 songs (+ control of volume, possibility to listen to another song, to come back to the previous sound...)

Here's the link :

http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/visite-abbaye/index.html

See you soon,

Ma :)

Hi Ma,

It's very kind of you and mediavets, I'm very lucky here and met you two as I'm just the beginner here.

As I'm an Art Director, your work impressed me a lot, the quality of the images and the graphics as well. Many people can shoot panorama images and virtual tours, but not many I've seen could make the virtual tours as decent as your work. It's more than techniques, it's the sense of art and design.

It's great to hear that you began like me like a white paper without knowing anything, your words gave me strength ha ha ha ha.

I wish you can share more with me and everyone here with your experience, so we can all learn from each other.

I will buy the krpano license soon and give it a try and will post my work here later once I feel comfortable with it, and I think I may face more and more problems later such as you said the "outside elements" like HTML table and more, wish you and everyone here can share more and teach me.

Here in China, Virtual Tours are not common, so I may impress my friends ha ha.

Once again, it's my pleasure to make friends with you and mediavets!!

all the best,

Ryan
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by doceave » Mon May 24, 2010 3:22 pm

@Ma Trekker: A very impressive work this - http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/visite-abbaye/index.html

I like the view from high in the church. May I ask how you managed to take the photographs from so high, and what sort of equipment did you use? (Camera, lens, FL)

Many thanks

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by Ma Trekker » Mon May 24, 2010 3:58 pm

Hi Doceave,

We used nothing special for the abbey : Canon 5D - Fisheye 15 mm - Manfrotto mast (stand).

Best,
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by mediavets » Mon May 24, 2010 4:56 pm

Ma Trekker wrote:Hi Doceave,

We used nothing special for the abbey : Canon 5D - Fisheye 15 mm - Manfrotto mast (stand).

Best,
Ma

Ma,

Is this the Manfrooto mast/stand that you use?:
http://www.parkcameras.com/14074/Manfrotto-MN269HDB-3U-Super-Giant-Stand.html?referrer=Froogle&utm_source=google&utm_medium=froogle&utm_campaign=pid14074

How do you mount the camera/lens on the mast/stand?

How did you rotate the camera on the mast/stand?

And did you take the camera down, adjust pitch, and then put it up again for the zenith shot?

What about nadir shots?
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by Ma Trekker » Mon May 24, 2010 7:41 pm

mediavets wrote:Ma,

Is this the Manfrooto mast/stand that you use?:
http://www.parkcameras.com/14074/Manfrotto-MN269HDB-3U-Super-Giant-Stand.html?referrer=Froogle&utm_source=google&utm_medium=froogle&utm_campaign=pid14074

Yes, for vertical pole.

How do you mount the camera/lens on the mast/stand?

How did you rotate the camera on the mast/stand?

And did you take the camera down, adjust pitch, and then put it up again for the zenith shot?

Trekker 317 used Merlin/Orion customised for aerial views.

What about nadir shots?
You can see the nadir on "Chapelle Saint-Félix". Trekker 317 forgot to take the final nadir shot. You can see that the area to be covered is very small (my man is sometimes a little "absent minded").
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by mediavets » Mon May 24, 2010 7:51 pm

Ma Trekker wrote:Trekker 317 used Merlin/Orion customised for aerial views.

Now of course you have really sparked my interest and I want to know about this customisation of the Merlin for use on a pole.

Please tell use more.
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by Ma Trekker » Mon May 24, 2010 9:29 pm

mediavets wrote:
Ma Trekker wrote:Trekker 317 used Merlin/Orion customised for aerial views.

Now of course you have really sparked my interest and I want to know about this customisation of the Merlin for use on a pole.

Please tell use more.


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by mediavets » Mon May 24, 2010 11:49 pm

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by doceave » Tue May 25, 2010 12:00 pm

@Ma Trekker: Many thanks for the reply... I was recently offered a 2nd hand 5D MarkII at a good price. You used the MarkII or a previous version?

Thanks again

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by Ma Trekker » Tue May 25, 2010 8:35 pm

doceave wrote:@Ma Trekker: Many thanks for the reply... I was recently offered a 2nd hand 5D MarkII at a good price. You used the MarkII or a previous version?

Thanks again

Lucky boy, we're still with the ancient version of Canon 5D for this type of work.

Ma :)
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