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Can a spherical head also shoot cylindrical?

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 11:35 am
by trondk
I am going to buy my first panohead. I want to shoot the occasional 360 derg. spherical, but also cylindrical ones.
If I get the Manfrotto 303SPH (my price area) can I also shoot cylindrical panoramas with this, or do I fx need a head like the Manfrotto 303? I already have the Manftroto 055XPROB + 488RC4.

What are some of your favorite combos?

Rgds,
Trond Kristiansen

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 11:46 am
by mediavets
Trond,

That Manfotto 303SPH head is clumsy, heavy and an ancient design.

I'd recommend that you consider a Nodal Ninja 3 or 5 series head (depending on which camera body/lenses combos you plan to use). The Nodal Ninja 5 with the R-D16 rotator is the most versatile.

What camera bodies and lenses do you have now?

Yes, a pano head used to shoot spehericals can be used to shoot cylindricals.

What sort of panos do you plan to shoot - interiors, landscapes,....?

What do you plan to do with the panos you create? Print them, display them on the Web,....

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:42 pm
by trondk
Mediavets,
I have a Nikon D80 with the 18-135mm kit lens (...I want a new wide-angle,maybe the Tokina 10-16mm, but I want to get the panohead first). I will probably take more landscape panoramas, and I would love to put some prints on my walls.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/trondk/tags/panorama/

I will take a closer look at Nodalninja. It will be an import with taxes + customs + shipping etc :(

/trondk

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 2:31 pm
by GURL
trondk wrote:Can a spherical head also shoot cylindrical?

Better cylindrical panos are possible when using a "spherical" two-axes pano head !

With both kinds of head the proper placement of the vertical axis enables the "center of the lens" (NPP) don't move when the camera is moved toward the left or the right. When using a "spherical" head, the additional horizontal axis enables the NPP don't move when the camera is moved up or down. Perfect single column (vertical) and multi-row panos can be shot (including giga-pixels mosaics with many rows and many colums). Spherical panos are just a particular kind of multi-row panos.

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 2:50 pm
by mediavets
trondk wrote:Mediavets,
I have a Nikon D80 with the 18-135mm kit lens (...I want a new wide-angle,maybe the Tokina 10-16mm, but I want to get the panohead first).

Did you mean the tokina 11-16mm wide angle or thge Tokina 10-17mm zoom fisheye?

I will probably take more landscape panoramas, and I would love to put some prints on my walls.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/trondk/tags/panorama/

Then IMO the Nodal Ninja 5 series would be most suitable because it can accommodate longer focal length lenses.

I will take a closer look at Nodalninja. It will be an import with taxes + customs + shipping etc :(

/trondk

Trond

In which of the Scanadinavian countries do you live?

Perhaps you would like to complete you Forum profile - click on your username next to a post...then we can offer advice more tailored to your location.

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 5:20 pm
by trondk
Andrew,

Did you mean the tokina 11-16mm wide angle or thge Tokina 10-17mm zoom fisheye?

The Tokina 11-16mm. The zoom fisheye looks like fun...

In which of the Scanadinavian countries do you live?

Norway (and I updated the profile)

/trondk

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:11 pm
by mediavets
trondk wrote:Norway (and I updated the profile)

/trondk

Ah.... not a member of the EU - hence the concern about import duty etc when purchasing a pano head.

I guess there's no way around that?

................

If you are thinking mainly of shooting high res. partial panos of landscapes for print then you may well be interested in the Merlin/Papywizard robotic pano head - you could shoot 'the occasional spherical' with that too:
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/view/Orion_TeleTrack_altazimuth_tracking_mount

APP/APG V2 has special support for this robotic pano head.

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:47 am
by John_Sauter
trondk wrote:I am going to buy my first panohead. I want to shoot the occasional 360 derg. spherical, but also cylindrical ones.
If I get the Manfrotto 303SPH (my price area) can I also shoot cylindrical panoramas with this, or do I fx need a head like the Manfrotto 303? I already have the Manftroto 055XPROB + 488RC4.

What are some of your favorite combos?

Rgds,
Trond Kristiansen

I use the Manfrotto 303SPH, and I have no trouble with cylindrical panoramas. As others have noted, a cylindrical panorama is captured as a slice of a spherical panorama. AutoPano Pro has processing provisions for both cylindrical and spherical.

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:01 am
by hankkarl
Take a look at
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t4895-kaidan-panoramic-heads
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t5653-mk-panohead-ii-version-2

And also look at the Merlin/Orion/Papywizard combo.

I hav ethe 303SPH, and have modified it. One issue is that it can't take a nadir shot that doesn't include the tripod and head, and the head makes a pretty large hole in the nadir. Its a bit wobbly even though its built like a tank in some areas. (the rails should be thicker and more rigid--depending on the weight of your camera, you can have a degree or so of roll). The "yaw" click stops are somewhat subtle, I'd like a more obvious "click".

But these are nitpicks, 303SPH does work well enough that I'm not going to replace it.

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 12:30 am
by bigwade
trondk wrote:The Tokina 11-16mm. The zoom fisheye looks like fun...
/trondk

Correct, the 10-17FE is fun.
But it's a remarkable lens, just for pano's
Think different.
With a NodalNinja 3 or 5 you can make wonderfull cylindrical pano's with this lens but also 180x360.
grtz!
Frank

PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 7:56 pm
by trondk
Thanks for all the input! I am looking at the NN3 with R-D3L 6-8-10 Rotator with built in EZ-Leveler-II. Why would I choose 6-8-10 rotator over the 6-8-30? More overlap with the 6-8-10 maybe.

PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 8:07 pm
by mediavets
trondk wrote:Thanks for all the input! I am looking at the NN3 with R-D3L 6-8-10 Rotator with built in EZ-Leveler-II. Why would I choose 6-8-10 rotator over the 6-8-30? More overlap with the 6-8-10 maybe.

I feel you be better off with the NN3 with R-D8 or R-D16, and better off still with the NN5 and R-D16.

PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 10:09 pm
by trondk
Possibly, yes but the shipping is + usd 150,- (chepest) + 25% taxes. There are no customs on photographic equipment as far as I could understand :-(

PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 10:25 pm
by mediavets
trondk wrote:Possibly, yes but the shipping is + usd 150,- (chepest) + 25% taxes. There are no customs on photographic equipment as far as I could understand :-(

Where are you planning to buy from?

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:58 pm
by trondk
Andrew,
I got the Nodal Ninja 5L w/ RD16 Rotator. I am shipping it to Norway with JetCarrier.com, a mail and freight forwarding company.

Thanks for all the advice.

-Trond

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:18 pm
by mediavets
trondk wrote:Andrew,
I got the Nodal Ninja 5L w/ RD16 Rotator. I am shipping it to Norway with JetCarrier.com, a mail and freight forwarding company.

Thanks for all the advice.

-Trond

I think you will be very pleased with it.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:14 pm
by trondk
Just a short note to inform you that the Nondal Ninja 5L arrived this weekend. Good quality and feel of the NN. I am hoping to adjust it to my lens tonight, and maybe shoot some midnight sun panormas. B-)

-Trond