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Panasonic Lumix G1 - any users?

by mgg310 » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:56 am

I want to move up a step in hardware from compact - Panasonic DMC-FZ7 - to DSLR or equivalent. Attractions of the G1 to me are the articulated screen such as I have on a small Sanyo Hybrid VPC-CG65GX - and the relatively small dimensions of the G1 with lens.
Anyone using a G1 and willing to share their experience?

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by mediavets » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:15 am

No hands-on experience but a few observations.

It's not that much smaller (124 mm x 84 mm x 45 mm 630g with lens) than, say, a Nikon D60 (126 x 94 x 64 mm 522g less lens), or a Canon 450D (129 x 98 x 62 mm), and it is MUCH more expensive and has a smaller sensor and only a very restricted range of lenses available.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/PanasonicG1/
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by leedsjoe » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:22 am

This is a negative result and so only a little help if at all, but the G1 is not in APP's cameras index so no user has yet put G1 images into APP and submitted to Kolor when told camera not recognised.

(I see the first entry in dpreview is dated 12 September 2008 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091202panasonic_DMC_G1.asp)

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by mediavets » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:32 am

leedsjoe wrote:This is a negative result and so only a little help if at all, but the G1 is not in APP's cameras index so no user has yet put G1 images into APP and submitted to Kolor when told camera not recognised.

(I see the first entry in dpreview is dated 12 September 2008 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091202panasonic_DMC_G1.asp)

OK - so another negative - AFAIK there are no fisheye lenses available or planned for the G1.

But maybe your pano shooting style does not require a FE lens

Personally, I fail to see the attraction of the G1 - micro 4/3 format - particularly for pano shooting and especially when the G1 is so expensive (compared to otherwise similarly featured DSLRs from market leading makers) but perhaps you can enlighten me?

It's 'cute' but....
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by mgg310 » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:48 am

Andrew,

I like to shoot panos but it is not a major focus (sorry!). And I lean towards gigapanos where zoom lenses matter more than fish eyes. My experience with the articulated screen on my small Sanyo hybrid has been so favourable that I'm most reluctant to buy a camera without this feature. It makes shooting from above or below so much more convenient and my aging joints like that!
I used to have a Canon SLR and did get fed up with carting it and its lenses around so the smaller size appeals greatly.
For another view on the size issue, please check the size comparison video clip at the end of this review:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/panasonic-g1.shtml

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by mediavets » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:09 pm

mgg310 wrote:Andrew,

I like to shoot panos but it is not a major focus (sorry!). And I lean towards gigapanos where zoom lenses matter more than fish eyes. My experience with the articulated screen on my small Sanyo hybrid has been so favourable that I'm most reluctant to buy a camera without this feature. It makes shooting from above or below so much more convenient and my aging joints like that!
I used to have a Canon SLR and did get fed up with carting it and its lenses around so the smaller size appeals greatly.
For another view on the size issue, please check the size comparison video clip at the end of this review:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/panasonic-g1.shtml

Mike.

Yes, articulated LCDs are nice if you have a DSLR with LiveView. I used Casio and Nikon compacts with articulating bodies or LCDs for a long time and I do understand the attraction and utility of that feature.

If you like to shoot gigapanos I think you might be interested the Merlin+Papywizard robotic pano head, it would work well with the G1:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t4794-low-cost-motorised-pano-head-for-compacts-and-dslrs-merlin-papywizard
http://gigapans.blogspot.com/
http://www.brewzone.com/2008/11/diy-pano-head

It sounds as if the G1 could be ideal for you.
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by GURL » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:40 pm

mgg310 wrote:For another view on the size issue, please check the size comparison video clip at the end of this review:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/panasonic-g1.shtml

Weight and size of camera body and lens have repercussions on the weight and size of the panohead and tripod one must carry for panos: I use a 3/4 (not micro 3/4) camera and appreciate the difference...
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by zrook » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:30 pm

Funny, I was gonna post here to ask if there was going to be support for the Panny G1 RAW. If the folks at Autopano need some files, someone just lemme know what pics they want, how many, and where to put them, and I'll provide.

Last week I went by the camera store with the firm intention of just testing it and not buying it, and of course I came out of the store with a brand new Panny G1 w/14-45 kit lens (red, btw).

Note, so far I've been using a Panasonic FZ-50, so that's what I'm coming from. I'm not married to any brand, I just go with what does "it" for me, where "it" varies from taking bird shots, panos, HDR, and photos of my family. Also, I'm a huge fan of Autopano, I converted plenty of people to the Autopano side (mostly people who just want to be able to get more out of their holiday trip photos, where a 4:3 or even a 16:9 photo won't do, or like my dad who likes to take pics of buildings without resorting to using a wide angle--plus, sometimes you just can't get far enough from the building).

Some personal observations on the camera:
I love the G1 so far.

Size-wise, it's a tad smaller than the FZ not counting the lens, and it's a very light camera.

The sensor is not as big as the APS-C but is a lot bigger than the FZ50, thus the images are a lot less noisy. I can shot up to ISO 400 jpegs without noticeable effects, and ISO 800 in raw.

The EVF is excellent, except for low light situations. The screen is absolutely the best I've ever seen, and I personally like a lot the depth of field/shutter speed preview.

Image stabilization is in the lens, not the camera. This can be an issue if you use third party lenses (see below).

Lenses wise, the camera has a lot of potential. The lenses designed for it are and will be smaller than the regular SLR equivalents, but right now there are only two lenses, the kit 14-45 and 45-200 (which are a bit slow, but quite good).
Planned are a few others: A 7-14mm f/4, a 20mm f/1.7, and a 14-140mm f4.0-5.6. There is also a 4/3-to-m4/3 adapter to use Olympus lenses, although only some of them will have autofocus.
With the adapter, you can use the Olympus Zuiko 8mm f/3.5 (http://www.olympus.co.uk/consumer/dslr_ZUIKO_DIGITAL_ED_8mm_1_3_5_Fisheye.htm).
The other interesting thing about the G1 is that it's generating quite some buzz among amateurs, and there are a bunch of converter rings for other lenses. You do lose the autofocus, but because of the way manual focusing is done on the G1, you can get excellent results nevertheless.
This place here lists upcoming adapters for Leica M mounts lenses for the G1 http://www.cameraquest.com/ and here are som shots made with a G1 combined with a hand-made adapter ring http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4194.
My dad collects old cameras, and has a few great lenses that sit gathering dust because there are no cameras that can use them.

Now, for the bad things ('cause it ain't perfect):
- EVF low light performance is bad.
- Autofocus sometimes hunts, again in low light.
- The ISO's they state are understated, so their ISO 100 is actually more like an ISO 160. I find myself stopping down 1/3 to 2/3rds.
- There's significant amount of noise at ISO 800+ for jpegs.
- Controls are a bit cramped.

But the major, mega, ultra negative thing for this camera is simply the price. It's a perfect "step-up" from any P&S, and I don't think I'll upgrade to something else because it does what I want, but I couldn't find it in a brick & mortar store for less than 700 Euro. Online you can find it with both the 14-45 and the 45-200 for ~750, but for various reasons I don't buy much online any longer. Anyways, for that kind of money you can get a regular DSLR with a nice lens.

Personally I chose the G1 a lot because I love the FZ50 and I love taking pano shots using the articulated LCD.

I have yet to use the camera with APP due to the season's required company/family/neighborhood/billiard association/etc parties, but if someone is interested I can do a few shots of the neighborhood.

Cheers,

GVdP

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by mgg310 » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:07 pm

GVdP,

Thanks for a very informative post. I've bought a G1, from an online supplier in Australia, with both kit lenses. bit it doesn't officially become mine until the 25th, so I've no hands on experience to report. Suspect my findings will be similar as I'm coming from a similar starting point, a Panasonic FZ7. Agree about the price already, though!

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by wildpeaks » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:36 am

OK - so another negative - AFAIK there are no fisheye lenses available or planned for the G1.
But maybe your pano shooting style does not require a FE lens

There are none from panasonic, but afaik you can use any 52mm fisheye lens.
I've got a 180° one from the brand "Jackar", it works fine with the G1.

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by mgg310 » Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:43 am

This is a converter, isn't it? Have you shot any panoramas with it? Anything you can post?

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by wildpeaks » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:14 am

Well I'm still using version 1.2 of AutoPano, so first I must receive my key for 1.4 as I only saw yesterday there was the update. But as soon as I have a nice result without ghosts and watermarks, sure I'll post it.

As for being a converter, I'm not sure what you mean: you add it like a filter on the objective, the one I have is not a fisheye objective (if that's what you meant). I have tried it only with the 14-45 so far as I'm waiting to receive the 45-200.
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by mgg310 » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:41 am

Sorry about the terminology, but we're on the same page. What you described is what I meant. Will look forward to seeing your posted pano.

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by wildpeaks » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:22 am

Don't worry about the terminology, I'm discovering most things as I go so I'm probably missing a lot of the photography vocabulary :)

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by wildpeaks » Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:29 pm

Here's one, with the source photos in the zip:
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http://www.wildpeaks.eu/files/Panorama.zip
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by mediavets » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:32 pm

wildpeaks wrote:Here's one, with the source photos in the zip:
[url]http://www.wildpeaks.eu/files/panothumb.jpg[/url]
http://www.wildpeaks.eu/files/Panorama.zip

Here's my attempt with this image set:


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by wildpeaks » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:31 pm

Looks good too :)

By the way, you can see in the source files that there is color distortion on the sides of the lense, however this is my first fisheye lens: is the distortion coming for low quality of the lens or is it always the case ?
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by mediavets » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:57 pm

wildpeaks wrote:Looks good too :)

By the way, you can see in the source files that there is color distortion on the sides of the lense, however this is my first fisheye lens: is the distortion coming for low quality of the lens or is it always the case ?

A bit of both - FE lenses that produce full circular images often show some of this.
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by wildpeaks » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:47 pm

Ok thanks.

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by mgg310 » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:29 pm

Wildpeaks.

Tried to access your zip file but browser could not find www.wildpeaks.eu
I'll try again in a few hours time.

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by wildpeaks » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:04 pm

Yes I haven't been able to access it thru web or ftp for a few hours now :(
I'm reuploading on a different server, I'll edit this message when it's done.
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by mgg310 » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:33 pm

Success! Site just came good.

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by mgg310 » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:18 am

Wildpeaks,

Thanks for sharing the images. I used 4 of your images - the odd numbered ones - to make the following cropped pano with APG. I don't know how Andrew managed to get so much width into his cropped pano.
Looks like you're getting about a 90 degree field of view - perhaps a bit more, but, I think, at the expense of image quality. It might be interesting to shoot the 'same' pano again with just the 14-45 lens at wide angle. Maybe the same number of shots (7) would have sufficient overlap, and see if it noticeably improves the quality of the finished pano. Or has the snow gone?

Cheers, Mike.


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by wildpeaks » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:15 am

I'll try to shoot the same pano with just the 14-45 lens at noon or tomorrow, but fortunatly the snow is still there, one advantage of living near the Alps :)

I just got a new tripod which I want to test with my old "panorama" head (just a basic 10 euros head with steps every 30° horizontally).

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by mgg310 » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:45 am

It'll be interesting!

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