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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:15 pm 
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I bought the Panobook 2012 and it was followed by a booklet "Kolor Store catalogue"
And guess what ! there was a page on a beta product not in the online store, the 360 Rig.
I guess everybody recognise parts of it :)

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360 video is going to be huge in 2013 I reckon.

A lot of different companies are announcing/releasing hardware. I'm looking forward to having fun with 6x GoPro Hero 3 Blacks :)


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Personally I don't like watching a 360 video. I always have the idea something is happening behind me that I don't see. Having a cameraman making that decision for me is calming me down a lot. With 360 degrees panorama I know time has stopped so I can look around at my own time.

Now to combine the best of things we should have a big pause button, so that we can take our time and see what is (standing still) around us.

But I would really like to have this rig. Any specs on how many degrees vertically it can cover? I guess must be about 175 degrees, right.

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Hans - that covers the full 180 degrees vertically.


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Here's another good option for this -

http://www.360heros.com/


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remarkable how far away the cameras are from centerpoint. Underwater I think I saw some stiching problems. Yet I have to see a usefull application of this.

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remarkable how far away the cameras are from centerpoint. Underwater I think I saw some stiching problems. Yet I have to see a usefull application of this.

this is the essential question: finding a usefull application for these 360 videos.
nothing more boring than driving on top of a car through nameless streets and places ;-)
one new combination I first saw here: http://www.kolor.com/forum/t13578-multipla.tv-virtual-reality-panoramas-together-with-embedded-video.
(lol - first reading the posting I thought its a spam ;-) until I got it viewing the Demo-Chapter ;) )

watching the huaba Buam on free climbing tour would also be interesting.

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Georg,

This is a 360 degrees panorama with a normal video in it. No need for a 360 video camera here. Most of what is around me is standing still.

Regarding this application of video and a 360 degrees panorama I am not sure I find it a good one. The goal here is to learn englisch but the viewer is giving the opportunity to look in a different direction and not listening to the lesson anymore. As a former teacher I think it is best when students look at what they should be looking and listening at. ;-)

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gkaefer wrote:
HansKeesom wrote:
remarkable how far away the cameras are from centerpoint. Underwater I think I saw some stiching problems. Yet I have to see a usefull application of this.

this is the essential question: finding a usefull application for these 360 videos.
nothing more boring than driving on top of a car through nameless streets and places ;-)
one new combination I first saw here: http://www.kolor.com/forum/t13578-multipla.tv-virtual-reality-panoramas-together-with-embedded-video.
(lol - first reading the posting I thought its a spam ;-) until I got it viewing the Demo-Chapter ;) )

watching the huaba Buam on free climbing tour would also be interesting.

Georg

http://www.360heros.com/category/360-photos/ - most interesting.

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klausesser wrote:
gkaefer wrote:
HansKeesom wrote:
remarkable how far away the cameras are from centerpoint. Underwater I think I saw some stiching problems. Yet I have to see a usefull application of this.

this is the essential question: finding a usefull application for these 360 videos.
nothing more boring than driving on top of a car through nameless streets and places ;-)
one new combination I first saw here: http://www.kolor.com/forum/t13578-multipla.tv-virtual-reality-panoramas-together-with-embedded-video.
(lol - first reading the posting I thought its a spam ;-) until I got it viewing the Demo-Chapter ;) )

watching the huaba Buam on free climbing tour would also be interesting.

Georg

http://www.360heros.com/category/360-photos/ - most interesting.

best, Klaus

ah interesting setup.
Pro: no heating problem. flexible with case or naked. easy access to cams
Cons: cant get info which gopro was used for the skiing demo video. this shows clear permanent stitching errors on the cables of the skilift. and skiing downhill you see the different auto WB values are visible in different toned snow. (Is the Gopro3 Black not advertised to allow manual WB settings?) So something is wrong in the rig cam positions or the cam or the stitching.

6 gopros + the rig + all softwareparts ? = ? worth the price. Dont know have doubts.

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gkaefer wrote:
Cons: cant get info which gopro was used for the skiing demo video. this shows clear permanent stitching errors on the cables of the skilift. and skiing downhill you see the different auto WB values are visible in different toned snow. (Is the Gopro3 Black not advertised to allow manual WB settings?)

Yes - the Black does have manual WB settings. It is extremely confusing though based on the text of the manual (note the apparently contradictory bolded statements):

"White Balance adjusts the overall color tone of videos. White Balance will
only be available if Protune mode is turned on
. The default White Balance
setting is Auto. When capturing in any White Balance setting other than
Auto, you may need to color correct your video with an editing program to
achieve your desired color. Only use a non-Auto White Balance setting if
you are an advanced user.
Pro Tip:
Consider manually setting WhiteBalance to the following settings
when operating in the following conditions:
Incandescent or sunrise/sunset lighting 3000K
Daylight or sunlit shooting 5500K
Cool white fluorescent skylight lighting 6500K

Industry standard optimized color Cam RAW
Cam RAW (Camera RAW)
The HERO3 camera can record Video in Protune mode in Cam RAW. GoPro
Cam RAW mode yields a minimally processed data file direct from the image
sensor that allows for more precise adjustments to be made in post-process.
Working in this mode takes full advantage of the image sensor’s capabilities.
Pro tip:
Protune uses Auto White Balance and will override
any non-Auto White Balance setting.
"

Can't get my head around that at all!


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gddxb wrote:
Can't get my head around that at all!

Yes - so can´t i! We bought a Silver (we don´t need 4k video) and actually run tests with it.
The Silver also provides WB settings, Protune and WLan - but "has" 11MPx instead of 12MPx . . so what.
The lens is the same. Video is limited compared to the Black - but who needs full resolution with just 15fps??

Amazing extension of "usual" panorama-work :D - will keep you informed (given i´m not getting banned by Destiny . . . :cool:)

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gkaefer wrote:
Cons: cant get info which gopro was used for the skiing demo video. this shows clear permanent stitching errors on the cables of the skilift. and skiing downhill you see the different auto WB values are visible in different toned snow. (Is the Gopro3 Black not advertised to allow manual WB settings?) So something is wrong in the rig cam positions or the cam or the stitching.

6 gopros + the rig + all softwareparts ? = ? worth the price. Dont know have doubts.

Georg

Hi Georg!

The skiing video was done with a Hero2 afaik. The cyclist and the pumkin also.

Of course issues can rise by stitching the hand which holds the pole the rig is fixed on. I guess we can´t expect error-free stitches of moving video . . at least not yet.
But it´s a question of time - and Kolor definitely is in the first row!

best to you, Klaus

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Typo in the manual apparently. Protune is what gives you manual white balance.


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gddxb wrote:
Typo in the manual apparently. Protune is what gives you manual white balance.

Yep - i tried to activate it in photo-mode . . keep trying . . still keep trying . . . . mmh . . :cool:

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