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What motorized head?

by burgor57 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:59 pm

I have been using a Nodal Ninja head and doing large panoramas (and stitched mosaics) for a while, and am considering buyingh/using a motorized head. I see there are a few options these days, and I wonder if the community can help me arrive at the one best for me. I need good quality sturdy kit to handle my Nikon D700 with heavy pro lenses. Also, I like to creat HDR images too and want to use it to create HDR panoramas, so need to be able to take bracketed shots.

I was looking at the Gigapan EpicPro, but I see the Merlin system is an option. Can anyone offer advice on pros-cons, or suggest anything esle.

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by vincen » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:02 pm

I think firs think to consider is your budget :) then we can talk about options ;)

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by burgor57 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:37 pm

I am not concerned too much about cost - so long as I get the right tool for the job. I expect to be paying between £500-£800 or so.
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by mediavets » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:11 pm

burgor57 wrote:I am not concerned too much about cost - so long as I get the right tool for the job. I expect to be paying between £500-£800 or so.

I think the choice then boils down to Gigapan Epic Pro or Merlin/Panogear.

I see Gigapan Epic Pro is offered at special sale price by the UK reseller at the moment:
http://www.360tacticalvr.com/rotators/gigapan.html

All other options - such as Panomachine, RoundshotVR2, Rodeon VR - are all well beyond your budget.

What is the likely max. load you wish to mount - camera body + lens?

Can you tell us more about 'the job' so we can better advise on the pros and cons of the two systems?
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by Destiny » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:42 am

To be honest, I would like to buy an Automatic Pano Head but I get confused which one to buy.. Now I have just been looking at this one..

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&sku=747400&is=REG&A=details&Q=

For the money it looks great, but does it really replace the tried and tested manual type head.. and how does it stack up against others???

I guess it all comes down to what I need it for.. I tried taking a pano inside a car the other day.. total madness.. not good at all.. I have in the past use a OneShot lens but the images were oh so yuck... That cost the school I taught at over a $1000Aus.. I thought just the other week that i did not want to take giga images but after taking a few photos in Sydney Harbour the other week I thought.. why not.. they can look really great.. So for me.. I need an Auto Pano Head that I can use in a tight place, real estate etc and giga wide as I can...

But, which one to buy??:rolleyes:

I noticed this on a past discussion.. I looked at the Gigapan Epic but someone said its not that stable.. I just wish I could have a play with the Merlin since thats would probably be one of the best options.. I realise their are expensive options out there like the Roundshot but I do not like that thing.. and they cost an arm, leg and my left kidney... I do not want to spend heaps on an Auto Pano Head..

D

mediavets wrote:I see Gigapan Epic Pro is offered at special sale price by the UK reseller at the moment:
http://www.360tacticalvr.com/rotators/gigapan.html

All other options - such as Panomachine, RoundshotVR2, Rodeon VR - are all well beyond your budget.

What is the likely max. load you wish to mount - camera body + lens?

Can you tell us more about 'the job' so we can better advise on the pros and cons of the two systems?

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by vincen » Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:46 am

Destiny wrote:To be honest, I would like to buy an Automatic Pano Head but I get confused which one to buy.. Now I have just been looking at this one..
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&sku=747400&is=REG&A=details&Q=

Forget that product, it's a very cheap chinese product, I got a chance to play with it during Photokina and it's completely useless !

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by mediavets » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:01 am

Destiny wrote:I noticed this on a past discussion.. I looked at the Gigapan Epic but someone said its not that stable.. I just wish I could have a play with the Merlin since thats would probably be one of the best options.. I realise their are expensive options out there like the Roundshot but I do not like that thing.. and they cost an arm, leg and my left kidney... I do not want to spend heaps on an Auto Pano Head..

D

Then you have two choices I think...the Gigapan Epic Pro and the Merlin/Panogear system.

The Gigapan Epic Pro is probably best suited to shooting high res mosiac partial panos (less than 360x180 pano FOV) because it can only shoot a regular grid/matrix pattern.

Here's the Australian reseller for Gigapan:
http://www.kayellaustralia.com.au/static/gigapan/

Merlin/Panogear with Papywizard (or the Touch controllere) has two shooting modes, Mosiac and Preset. Mosaic mode is like that of the Gigapan shooting a regular grid/matrix of images. Preset mode allows an arbitrary pattern of shots to be defined so that you can have fewer shots per row as you approach the zenith and nadr to avoid execessive overlapping which is the best way to shoot 360x180 spherical panos.

Kolor and SkiVR supply the Panogear branded Merlin-based systems.

Alternatively you can assemble the parts and put together your own Merlin-based setup.

You will find other Australian Merlin users listed here:
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/view/Merlin-Orion-Papywizard_users_feedback

Since you have a Nikon D90 you would need to make some modification to the Merlin dovetail clamp/rail in order to mount the camera/lens at the NPP if you wish to shoot in confined spacers and domestic interiors. High res mosaic panos of distant landscapes would not necessitate mounting the camera/lens at NPP.
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by Destiny » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:42 am

emm.. thats all good info... thank you boys... reading the last comment, it looks to me like the Merlin setup would be the way to go... I have not heard a bad thing about it... The only bad thing I have heard about the Gigapan Epic Pro is its a bit tinny.

Thank you

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by tived » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:32 pm

Gigapan is a grap'n'go....Merlin is a DIY....both have their issues. Though the merlin is many times cheaper

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by klausesser » Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:30 pm

vincen wrote:http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&sku=747400&is=REG&A=details&Q=
Forget that product, it's a very cheap chinese product, I got a chance to play with it during Photokina and it's completely useless !

RIGHT! :cool: besides it is just one-row it lacks any kind of precision, comfort and reliability.
There´s no alternative to a Merlin in that price range and functionality as well as reliability. It´s unique. Competing heads which can do what the Merlin does a bit better and faster start at around 3200.- € (Seitz VR2 - exellent product).

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by mediavets » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:07 pm

tived wrote:Gigapan is a grap'n'go....Merlin is a DIY....both have their issues. Though the merlin is many times cheaper

Henrik
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The Panogear branded Merlin-based systems available form Kolor and SkiVR are also pretty much 'grap'n'go' (I guess that's an Aussie expression?):
http://www.kolor.com/buy/
http://magasin.skivr.com/

Assembling your own Merlin-based system independently is also pretty straightforward these days - although some have claimed it's hard to find the Merlin mount from resllers in Australia.

You need at a minimum:

1. The Merlin mount.

2. A Deltawave-Papymerlin Bluetooth adapter - from Kolor, SkiVR or from ClaudeVH:
http://www.kolor.com/buy/
http://magasin.skivr.com/
http://www.papymerlin.com/interface-%C3%A9lectronique/

3. 8xAA NiMH batteries - or an external 12-15VDC 500mA power source - or the optional internal LiIon battery system from Kolor, SkiVR or T&C:

http://magasin.skivr.com/
http://www.typeandcolour.de/index.php?tp=Produkte&up=batt

4. Bluetooth enabled host platform (Windows, Mac OSX, Linux, Nokia N800/810 Internet Tablet) and Papywizard software - free to download from here:
http://www.papywizard.org/

or - the Touch controller from Kolor, SkiVR or T&C:
http://www.kolor.com/buy/
http://magasin.skivr.com/
http://www.typeandcolour.de/index.php?tp=Produkte&up=cont
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by tived » Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:40 pm

Thanks Andrew,

Grap'n'Go...is an expression from the UK...Pret a Manger! :-) sorry can't take credit for it

Well, I haven't been able to get the Merlin here in Australia at a reasonable price, remember I am in the Western Australia, 5hr flight from Sydney on the east coast!! We are a bit isolated here. When they had it in stock it was well over AUD$660

Local suppliers very much live on the WA slogan - WA=Wait Awhile!!

Claude got me in contact with someone in the US via eBay who is selling the Merlins for US$139, I think landed its about AUD$240...I am waiting patiently ;-)

I got Claudes Bluetooth (almost two years ago!) ;-) no need to rush things, I have the cable coming, and I am struggling away with my Nokia N900, got PW running, but can't test till I get the Merlin its all working.

The battery is a good idea!

Thanks Andrew you are a champion here

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by Destiny » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:58 am

I think the Merlin is looking really good after checking out the Seitz web site.. wow.. really great stuff but 'oh man' sooo expensive... If I was getting work creating VR's then I could buy it but I am just starting out soo... I will sell my left kidney later for one... I could not find the Seitz VR2... can you send me a link to it...

One of the links above took me to the new Ultimate M1-L.. Its a far better tool than the Mk3 I have.. I have sent mine back.. He is going to make sure I have all the correct bits... I would really like to have a play with this new pano head... Now we know 'You Know Who" are not making one.. or at least not as far as I can tell... So, Henrik, do you know any good sites in Oz to check out the Merlin...... Or do I have to buy it from Hong Kong at half the price... :)

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by tived » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:11 am

Hi Destiny,

I got it off ebay, via Claude, i didn't want to pay the absurd price here, besides in the almost two years I have asked to local guy to get me one, it has actually never happened, never did he get one in, very disappointing, but now I am just waiting for the mail-man ;-)

I think this will be a good entry level pano-robot, stepping up to the big boys you need to get paid for this on a regular basic. At the moment is just extra for clients, but I have some plans up my sleeves ;-)

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by mediavets » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:37 am

Destiny wrote:I could not find the Seitz VR2... can you send me a link to it...

D

http://www.roundshot.ch/xml_1/internet/de/application/d438/d927/f1033.cfm
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by mediavets » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:39 am

Destiny wrote:One of the links above took me to the new Ultimate M1-L.. Its a far better tool than the NN3MkII I have..
D

And more than three times the price I think?
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by Destiny » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:40 pm

Forgive me for being a dreamer, but I live in hope that Acratech will be making a pano head... so for now I will hold off before buying a better manually operated pano head since I think the new Ninja is far too expensive. Thanks for the info on where to buy the Merlin... At about $140Aus which is really cheap, the post is expensive though at $90... I am not sure what else I would need to buy with this unit.. like a bar or software etc... The final cost might work out too expensive.. Merlin have made something that seems to be popular and mostly has some good comments but most importantly they have made it affordable.. I think it would be quite fun to use and I am sure it would perform in small spaces like small rooms and perhaps inside a car..

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by mediavets » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:56 pm

Destiny wrote:Thanks for the info on where to buy the Merlin... At about $140Aus which is really cheap, the post is expensive though at $90... I am not sure what else I would need to buy with this unit.. like a bar or software etc... The final cost might work out too expensive.. Merlin have made something that seems to be popular and mostly has some good comments but most importantly they have made it affordable.. I think it would be quite fun to use and I am sure it would perform in small spaces like small rooms and perhaps inside a car..

D

I described what else you would need in this post:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p77960-yesterday-13-07-03#p77960

You won't find a less expensive two axis motorised pano head than a Merlin-based system.

And yes it would work fine inside a car.
http://www.panoguide.com/forums/tipsntricks/6893/?page=1
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by mediavets » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:11 pm

Destiny wrote:Forgive me for being a dreamer, but I live in hope that Acratech will be making a pano head... so for now I will hold off before buying a better manually operated pano head since I think the new Ninja is far too expensive.
D

If you think the new Nodal Ninja Ultimate series are expensive take a look at these, lovely engineering but...:
http://360precision.com/360/index.cfm?precision=products.home

Anything that will allow you to rotate the camera/lens around the NPP will do the job, even this:
http://www.peterloud.co.uk/nodalsamurai/nodalsamurai.html

So you might as well stick to your NN3MkII it's quite good enough.
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by Destiny » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:19 pm

This is a really nice VR... http://www.flashificator.com/1/Diverse/Outside/

The Merlin is certainly worthwhile auto pano to buy... I think it would be heaps of fun but also open doors of opportunity.... Very exciting.. The video of it in action in a car is really cool.. and the very expensive optional extras, rubber bands, are a good idea....

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by klausesser » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:33 pm

mediavets wrote:And yes it would work fine inside a car.

Yes - but i strongly suggest to use a fisheye and a monopole which places the camera inside the car through a side-window from outside the car.

www.360impressions.de/mini1.html

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by pns » Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:28 pm

andrew,
how pretty much is "pretty much"?
do the systems work out of the box with "standard" dslrs (not 1d or d3 class beasts) and any lenses from fisheye thru long teles? or do the systems as sold still need replacing or shaving arms, crowns, etc?
tia and cheers,
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mediavets wrote:The Panogear branded Merlin-based systems available form Kolor and SkiVR are also pretty much 'grap'n'go' (I guess that's an Aussie expression?):
http://www.kolor.com/buy/
http://magasin.skivr.com/

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by mediavets » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:07 pm

pns wrote:andrew,
how pretty much is "pretty much"?
do the systems work out of the box with "standard" dslrs (not 1d or d3 class beasts) and any lenses from fisheye thru long teles? or do the systems as sold still need replacing or shaving arms, crowns, etc?
tia and cheers,
pns

The Merlin mount sold under the Panogear brand as part of a 'packaged' system is just the same as you'd purchase elsewhere, except for the high capacity LiIon battery upgrade, and a camera-specific shutter trigger cable, a Bluettoth adapter and an additional rail. The principal advantage is that you get all the required 'components' as a package from a single source.

So if you are using a DSLR/lens combination that required modification of the crown/dovetail mount in order to positon at the NPP on a Merlin it will also require the same mods. on a Panogear branded Merlin mount.

Of course, as you'll be aware, it's not necessary to position the camera/lens at the NPP if you are shooting his-res partial panos of scenes where there's nothing very close to the camera. And it is for these sort of applications where you are shooting many tens or hundreds of images that robotic pano heads really come into their own. If you already have a manual pano head then in my opinion there's little point in using a robotic pano head to shoot panos with a fisheye lens, with the possible exception of shooting from a tall mast.

What camera body and lens(es) would you plan/hope to use with a Merlin mount?
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by pns » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:27 am

andrew,
thank you for your informative reply.
i have a selection of lenses, from short to long focal length, and i was hoping i wouldn't have to carry more than one head (camera, lenses, tripod and one head is bad enough). but it may not be possible, at least within a reasonable budget.
cheers,
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by claudevh » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:29 am

Hello "pns"

Could-you inform us about your(s) camera(s) and lenses and about the Pano type you want to achieve (Gigapix, 360 etc...)
On basis of that whe will be able to say what you will need ...
I believe that you have mis-understand what Andrew have said ...
Most then probably "One" Merlin head will cope with what you want to achieve !!!
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