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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:47 pm
by klausesser
Artisan New wrote:That is great work for an 300 non ED, Klaus.....bought a copy of that lens on my then F3....was not that pleased with it so it went in the big grey trunck.....until I sold it and bought a 300 IF ED second hand.....that is a much nicer lens......

Yes - i also have an ED version. It´s great in performance and small in size. Good to handle for handheld. I used the non-ED most of the time for fashion shoots in B/W in the ´80s. It´s
sort of smooth, but nevertheless quite sharp.
The ED version is - a bit - sharper, but above f8 there´s no relevant difference to the non-ED - aside from the non-ED´s sensitivity with straylight.

Of course today i´d buy the ED version only.

Klaus

PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:16 pm
by Artisan New
Couldn't agree more (even professional use is possible). I would love such a lens for shooting Giga's with my OM-D Klaus....I only use the middle section of the lens...and that is tack sharp and nicely contrasted. And manual focus is no problem in such cases since you have to focus manually anyway......and you have to stop down also to get enough DOF.....so what is the use of a 2.8....that is a lens for shooting sports on a monopod. For shooting wildlife from a stand you need a longer lens anyway (or a smaller sensor :) ;)).....that baby (or it AF cousin) you can shoot handheld. That is possible with a 2.8 but (and this is no sexism but realism) not for Destiny she'd be hospitalised within a fourtnight with a hernia the size of Tokio....I tried it once (just for fun) and it can be done but it is far from comfortable shooting. Now Des be a wise girl and listen to Klaus (for once)....go for the smaller lens. 400 dollars.....versus 3000 dollars hell you can go outbacking for weeks on that kinda money eatin' bushtucker of course and sleeping in a tent.

Greets, Ed.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:02 am
by Destiny
Oh Ed..You have no idea of when it comes to needing to take a weights training course to carry a heavy lens.. Obviously this guy, first image, does.... :lol:

http://fotoblogia.pl/2009/01/19/obiektywy-bez-kompleksow-czesc-ii

Destiny...

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:17 am
by Destiny
Emm.. This is the lens my husband keeps drooling over.. Ya.. dream on hubbie.. Mind you... I do my drooling in private so he doesn't get us in debt in buing it... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/520639-USA/Nikon_2171_AF_S_Nikkor_400mm_f_2_8G.html

Just amazing... Oh what joy it must be to be rich... My husband was in the Royal Australian Air Force so he like to capture air plans..

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-EO-Moores-Law.html some really nice lenses here.... All way beyond our price range..

But this one is doable... I might be able to find a second hand one too... I like this one..

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/207356-GREY/Nikon_1909_Telephoto_AF_S_Nikkor_300mm.html

Destiny...

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:42 am
by Destiny
.. and this one has real possibilities.. http://www.kenrockwell.com/sigma/150-500mm.htm but, will it fit onto my D800

Price is about $800 depending on who is selling it...

Destiny

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:21 am
by Destiny
The Sigma 150-500 seems to be awesome and very popular...

http://www.pixel-peeper.com/lenses/?lens=1092&p=1

Destiny...

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:32 am
by Destiny

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:36 pm
by Artisan New
And it even holds it water until 370 mm.....

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Sigma_150-500mm_f5-6-3_DG_OS_HSM/

and a test on a D800 (I bet that closes that chapter).

Greets, Ed.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:55 pm
by klausesser
Artisan New wrote:And it even holds it water until 370 mm.....

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Sigma_150-500mm_f5-6-3_DG_OS_HSM/

and a test on a D800 (I bet that closes that chapter).

Greets, Ed.

I´d prefer 300 or 400mm without zoom. Either a zoom in this range optically is a so-so compromise - or it´s very expensive when it´s a real good
compromise. It´s nevertheless a compromise.

Anyway i always would run tests myself before buying it - "never trust a test you didn´t fake yourself" :D;).

Klaus

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:55 pm
by Artisan New
The only nice zooms are the 80-400 at 2200 euro (and heck then you have the budget to make a great lens) or the 70-200 also a bit esotherically priced and no amateur stuff. If Des wants to be cheap she should not even contemplate a zoom (I wouldn't) not in that range. The problem is supertele's tend to be soft in contrast and microcontrast as it is....(you can see that in my pano as well) and if you add zoom you worsen the problem (a lot). So a good contrasty tele from Nikon at a rock bottom price is the 390 euro second hand 300 IFED....you can't go wrong with that Des...believe us. If you don't like it, don't use it or don't want it.....you sell it for the same price. No harm done.

Greets, Ed (who now officially has a mistery tooth ache....even on the X-ray's nothing to be seen....damned were is the tooth fairy when you need her).

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:26 pm
by klausesser
Artisan New wrote:So a good contrasty tele from Nikon at a rock bottom price is the 390 euro second hand 300 IFED....you can't go wrong with that Des...believe us. If you don't like it, don't use it or don't want it.....you sell it for the same price. No harm done.

I fully agree.

Artisan New wrote:Greets, Ed (who now officially has a mistery tooth ache....even on the X-ray's nothing to be seen....damned were is the tooth fairy when you need her).

Try acupressure: http://www.leicht-zu-finden.de/akupressur.html - really helps in not too heavy cases.
I´m used to use it when i have - very rarely - headache or so . . don´t like pills . . :cool:

Klaus

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:50 pm
by Destiny
Well, thats what I thought but its seems not.. I really thought that the 150-500 was the one.. I would love the Nikon but too expensive for us.. We discussed buying from eBay or other places to buy a secondhand one.. But we do not like the idea of this, not with a lens.. Images can lie and so can their claims.. With this SIgma, it comes with a 2 year Sigma warranty... Sigma make nice lenses too...

We appreciate all of your input.. I realise you are only providing guidance and past experiences... We have mostly defiantly taken notice...

If money was not an obstacle, we would go Nikon for sure such as the 400mm 2.8 eeeks!... But for value for money the Sigma seems to be better for us... Its not an everyday lens where we need it to make a living.. Its totally for fun and pleasure.. Mind you, if we made some money that would be awesome.... and a first.. :lol::lol: I can use my VR Drive to capture a nice giga pixel pano, but thats not our main use.. I will use my NN4 setup to capture a nice wide angle pano and also for wildlife.. My hubbie needs it for air plans and wildlife...

I guess what we buy in the end has to be affordable, new and do all we need.. oh hum... :rolleyes:

Destiny..


Artisan New wrote:And it even holds it water until 370 mm.....

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Sigma_150-500mm_f5-6-3_DG_OS_HSM/

and a test on a D800 (I bet that closes that chapter).

Greets, Ed.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:14 pm
by mediavets
Destiny wrote:Well, thats what I thought but its seems not.. I really thought that the 150-500 was the one...

I can use my VR Drive to capture a nice giga pixel pano, but thats not our main use.. I will use my NN4 setup to capture a nice wide angle pano and also for wildlife..

The fixed 15 degree increments on the pitch axis of the NN4 restrict the max. focal length it can handle and still provide adequate overlap on the pitch axis.

From Nodal Ninja web site: http://shop.nodalninja.com/nodal-ninja-4/

"Lenses: most popular sizes from super-wide fisheye up to approx. 100mm focal length."

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:07 am
by Destiny
This is a good comparison... The 300mm f/2.8g seems to capture wonderfull photos but it will all come down to the skills of the photographer in the end... Far to expensive for us... Still paying my Gran back for my D800 and 14-24... This setup is awesome for real estate and close up sceens... Pity the 14-24 has limited zoom...

http://photographylife.com/best-nikon-lenses-for-wildlife-photography

Destiny...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:09 am
by Artisan New
Hmzzz,

Adrew, that why I bought a Panosaurus, no klickstops.....I've used it with a 80-200 Nikon and an OM-D.....it works....but it's not confortable and it takes a lot of attention, in one word exhausting. That's why I went the motorized Panohead route. And now I'm waiting on the next addition to my gear....a Prusa 3i to build the parts of the ScrapRap 3d printer. Yeps, I assemble a 3D printer to build a 3D printer and then to sell off indeed :).

Greets, Ed.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:20 am
by Artisan New
I use the 75-300 sometimes on my OM-D....it works.....but this was shot with a 45-200 from Panasonic AF also on my OM-D.....yeps, cute I know.....more or less....

Greets, Ed.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:43 am
by Destiny
emm.. That 15 degrees step on my NN4 has caused a few issues for sure.. John wants to buy the Nodal Ninja Ultimate but where does it all end.. I love my NN4 but it has limitations.. I use it all the time for manual mounting of my D90 and D800.. The Rotor is wonderful. Lots of flexibility.. Its the top rail with limitations..

Thats a nice photo Ed, although I would have liked to see more DOF... I am even more lost and confused than when I first began investigating these lenses.. I know what I want but.. cost heaps of $$$.. So we have to find a lens that fits our needs and budget...

I really want to get lens before the main rains comes where we will see many water falls, rivers and brooks in full flow and where the billabongs fill up and attract heaps of birds and small rock wallabies.... Did you know that Budgerigars are native to Australia, but they are mostly very small... Millions of them... Lots of Galahs, Cockatoos and Black Parrots too.. Theres an escarpment I would love to capture as a wide pano with several water falls coming out of it.. Too far to capture a photo with my gear...

Destiny..

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:56 am
by Artisan New
DOF is a matter of choice and possibility......and I like a shallow DOF sometimes but shooting long lenses comes with a shallow DOF in all cases especially using a FF camera.

Greets, Ed.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:02 am
by mediavets
Artisan New wrote:Hmzzz,

Adrew, that why I bought a Panosaurus, no klickstops.....I've used it with a 80-200 Nikon and an OM-D.....it works....but it's not confortable and it takes a lot of attention, in one word exhausting.
Greets, Ed.

The original NN5L had no click stops on the pitch arm - I have one of those.

And the later NN5 had 15-degree pitch locks but you can disable them.

NN ultimate M1 has 7.5 degree stops on the pitch axis.

NN Ultimate M2 optionally can have smaller increment stops on the pitch arm, as small as 1.5 degrees.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:29 am
by klausesser
Destiny wrote:The 300mm f/2.8g seems to capture wonderfull photos but it will all come down to the skills of the photographer in the end...

Always does. No matter what lens or other gear you use. :cool:

Klaus

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:46 am
by klausesser
Artisan New wrote:Hmzzz,

Adrew, that why I bought a Panosaurus, no klickstops.....I've used it with a 80-200 Nikon and an OM-D.....it works....but it's not confortable and it takes a lot of attention, in one word exhausting. That's why I went the motorized Panohead route. And now I'm waiting on the next addition to my gear....a Prusa 3i to build the parts of the ScrapRap 3d printer. Yeps, I assemble a 3D printer to build a 3D printer and then to sell off indeed :).

Greets, Ed.

Clickstops usually are in the horizontal move. Andrew meant the vertical move (pitch).

For a 300mm i´d also definitely prefer a motorized head. But i don´t do long wanderings in the open . . ;):cool:
In that case i guess indeed it might be preferable to use a light manual head . . :D

The resolution the D800 provides makes a 300mm an 1,7x longer lens than on a 5D2 in terms of the 1:1 zoomable range.
So compared to a 300mm on a 5D2 you effectively have a 510mm using a D800. Isn´t that nice?

Klaus

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:09 pm
by Destiny
Yes, that is a nice feature of the D800.. This is interesting too... The 300mm f/2.8G VR II seems to be the best option but.... $$

"I have been shooting with the Nikon 200-400mm f/4 VR lens for the last 4-5 years and I can assure you that the Nikon 300mm f/2.8G VR II is overall a better lens to buy ....... I bought the Nikon 200-400mm for its zoom capabilities, but the lens turned out to be heavier, bulkier..."

We are still out on this.. Perhaps buy a el'cheap'o lens and save up for this 300mm.. We can always sell the el'cheap'o later...

Destiny...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:49 pm
by Artisan New
Klaus wrote:Clickstops usually are in the horizontal move. Andrew meant the vertical move (pitch).

I know....but the Panosaurus has no klickstops on any of the axis....so that does not intercept my argument. The NN4 is a machine I checked out as well when I was shopping for a manual head.....it tanked exactly on this feature. And since I wanted to spend bottom dollar the Panosaurus (bottom dollar and no click stops) exactly fit my bill.....I have made giga's with a 200 (is 400mm) with it....it's no fun but it's doable (without to much wind of course).

Greets, Ed.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:05 am
by Destiny

Re: Best Affordable Zoom/Telephoto Lens Option for a D800

PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:08 am
by rolly1
hi to all from Adelaide ,Destiny i would have a look at the new sigma 50 -500 with image stabiliser ( the old one was no good ) or the sigma 150 to 500 both are very good for the price ,both very good to 400 a little softer to 500 , people in the camera clubs that i'm in seem very happy with them ,the only other cheap option is nikon 300 f4 with teleconverters ,i use 70 -200 2.8 vr1 with kenko teleconverters on d800 or d7000 with good results cheers