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#1 2010-08-15 04:14:06

nevillev
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[APP-2.0.9 Mac] Exif data lost when rendering, with new camera

I've used APP for some time now - and the rendered images contain the Exif data from the source images - which is a good thing.

I've recently started using a new camera (Ricoh GXR P10) and now the rendered images don't contain the exif data.

It may have something to do with the format of the Exif data generated by the new camera; so I've copied a sample here in case it's useful:

Code:

<?xpacket begin="" id="W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d"?>
<x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 5.0-c060 61.134777, 2010/02/12-17:32:00        ">
   <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">
      <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
            xmlns:tiff="http://ns.adobe.com/tiff/1.0/">
         <tiff:Make>RICOH</tiff:Make>
         <tiff:Model>GXR P10</tiff:Model>
         <tiff:Orientation>1</tiff:Orientation>
         <tiff:ImageWidth>3648</tiff:ImageWidth>
         <tiff:ImageLength>2736</tiff:ImageLength>
         <tiff:PhotometricInterpretation>2</tiff:PhotometricInterpretation>
         <tiff:SamplesPerPixel>3</tiff:SamplesPerPixel>
         <tiff:BitsPerSample>
            <rdf:Seq>
               <rdf:li>8</rdf:li>
               <rdf:li>8</rdf:li>
               <rdf:li>8</rdf:li>
            </rdf:Seq>
         </tiff:BitsPerSample>
         <tiff:XResolution>72/1</tiff:XResolution>
         <tiff:YResolution>72/1</tiff:YResolution>
         <tiff:ResolutionUnit>2</tiff:ResolutionUnit>
      </rdf:Description>
      <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
            xmlns:exif="http://ns.adobe.com/exif/1.0/">
         <exif:ExifVersion>0221</exif:ExifVersion>
         <exif:ExposureTime>1/950</exif:ExposureTime>
         <exif:ShutterSpeedValue>9891784/1000000</exif:ShutterSpeedValue>
         <exif:FNumber>35/10</exif:FNumber>
         <exif:ApertureValue>361471/100000</exif:ApertureValue>
         <exif:ExposureProgram>2</exif:ExposureProgram>
         <exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
            <rdf:Seq>
               <rdf:li>100</rdf:li>
            </rdf:Seq>
         </exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
         <exif:DateTimeOriginal>2010-08-14T09:11:59-07:00</exif:DateTimeOriginal>
         <exif:DateTimeDigitized>2010-08-14T09:11:59-07:00</exif:DateTimeDigitized>
         <exif:BrightnessValue>87/10</exif:BrightnessValue>
         <exif:ExposureBiasValue>0/10</exif:ExposureBiasValue>
         <exif:MaxApertureValue>350/100</exif:MaxApertureValue>
         <exif:MeteringMode>5</exif:MeteringMode>
         <exif:LightSource>0</exif:LightSource>
         <exif:Flash rdf:parseType="Resource">
            <exif:Fired>False</exif:Fired>
            <exif:Return>0</exif:Return>
            <exif:Mode>2</exif:Mode>
            <exif:Function>False</exif:Function>
            <exif:RedEyeMode>False</exif:RedEyeMode>
         </exif:Flash>
         <exif:FocalLength>490/100</exif:FocalLength>
         <exif:ExposureMode>0</exif:ExposureMode>
         <exif:WhiteBalance>0</exif:WhiteBalance>
         <exif:SceneCaptureType>0</exif:SceneCaptureType>
         <exif:Sharpness>0</exif:Sharpness>
         <exif:PixelXDimension>3648</exif:PixelXDimension>
         <exif:PixelYDimension>2736</exif:PixelYDimension>
         <exif:ColorSpace>1</exif:ColorSpace>
      </rdf:Description>
      <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
            xmlns:xmp="http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/">
         <xmp:ModifyDate>2010-08-14T09:11:59-07:00</xmp:ModifyDate>
         <xmp:CreateDate>2010-08-14T09:11:59-07:00</xmp:CreateDate>
         <xmp:CreatorTool>GXR Firmware</xmp:CreatorTool>
      </rdf:Description>
      <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
            xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">
         <dc:description>
            <rdf:Alt>
               <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default">Exif_JPEG_PICTURE</rdf:li>
            </rdf:Alt>
         </dc:description>
      </rdf:Description>
      <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
            xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/">
         <crs:AlreadyApplied>True</crs:AlreadyApplied>
      </rdf:Description>
      <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
            xmlns:photoshop="http://ns.adobe.com/photoshop/1.0/">
         <photoshop:ColorMode>3</photoshop:ColorMode>
         <photoshop:ICCProfile>sRGB IEC61966-2.1</photoshop:ICCProfile>
      </rdf:Description>
   </rdf:RDF>
</x:xmpmeta>

<?xpacket end="w"?>

I've done a recent test with some older photos from the previous camera; and it still works as expected with those photos.

I'd appreciate any suggestions or help.

Regards,
-Neville

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#2 2010-08-17 09:40:11

AlexandreJ
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Re: [APP-2.0.9 Mac] Exif data lost when rendering, with new camera

It seems that you are talking about XMP metadata. For the moment, we don't support such metadata. We supports : EXIF / ICC / IPTC / GPS but not yet XMP. It may be available for v2.5, but not before.

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#3 2010-08-17 17:39:43

nevillev
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Re: [APP-2.0.9 Mac] Exif data lost when rendering, with new camera

I think I posted misleading information. I'd copied that from Bridge - but I think it's just a distraction now.

I opened the images in Preview on the mac, and looked at the info; and I can see that all the source photos have Exif sections. However the APP output from the new pictures doesn't have Exif at all.

The pictures are quite large - so I resized them with sips to make them tiny. I've attached them here so that you can examine their Exif and other data.

The filenames starting with 100710 are from the old camera; and the ones starting with 100814 are from the new camera.

Sips adjusts the Exif size - so the APP output from the new camera now contains Exif data consisting only of the x and y dimensions.

I hope this helps you to further analyze this - but if there's anything else I can do please let me know.

Thanks for your help!
-Neville


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#4 2010-08-17 17:42:50

nevillev
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Re: [APP-2.0.9 Mac] Exif data lost when rendering, with new camera

I realized that the photo upload didn't preserve their filenames. However the Exif data contains the dates; and the pictures dated 2010-07-10 are from the old camera; and the ones dated 2010-08-14 are from the new one.

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#5 2010-08-22 06:06:52

nevillev
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Re: [APP-2.0.9 Mac] Exif data lost when rendering, with new camera

I have taken a closer look at the pictures with a tool called "Picture Information Extractor" which shows exactly what metadata is attached.

The "source" pictures (both new and old) are quite normal - they have only EXIF data attached.

The APP panoramas are quite simple too: The ones from the older pictures have EXIF data, and the ones from the new pictures have nothing.

I would still like to make some progress on this because it's very useful to have the EXIF data in the panorama.

Is there anything more I can do to help you analyze it?

Regards,
-Neville

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#6 2010-08-22 10:14:49

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Re: [APP-2.0.9 Mac] Exif data lost when rendering, with new camera

I think the problem arises because your new camera the Ricoh GXR P10 is not in the APP/APG camera database.


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#7 2010-08-22 22:05:57

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Re: [APP-2.0.9 Mac] Exif data lost when rendering, with new camera

Thanks! I think we may be onto something here. I battled at first to figure out how to make that dialog appear - but discovered that it comes up when Image Properties is clicked.

I notice that my old Canon TX1 pictures cause a different dialog - one that says the lens is not in the database. Not that surprising to me since it's a small P&S camera. The Ricoh is also a P&S (not an SLR).

In any case the Ricoh pictures bring up the message about EXIF data that you showed above. I then clicked Yes to report the data - but I think it only generated an empty email message. I did send that (actually I think I sent more than one). But I'm not sure it contains the data you need... I also sent an email to the same address with one of the pictures attached.

I hope the combination of these things helps - but if there is some additional step that I'm missing please let me know.

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#8 2010-08-23 11:36:05

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Re: [APP-2.0.9 Mac] Exif data lost when rendering, with new camera

Issue 196 opened

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#9 2010-08-25 05:50:32

nevillev
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Re: [APP-2.0.9 Mac] Exif data lost when rendering, with new camera

Thanks!

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#10 2011-04-17 20:42:38

nevillev
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Re: [APP-2.0.9 Mac] Exif data lost when rendering, with new camera

I notice that this issue has never been fixed - up to and including AutoPano Pro v2.5.1

This remains an issue for pictures taken with my Ricoh GXR P10 camera.

Could you please consider fixing it soon?

Thanks!
-Neville

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