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#1 2010-08-08 15:51:46

Jools
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Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

Bonjour à tous,
Je "post" aujourd'hui car après quelques recherches sur notre ami "Google" ainsi que sur le forum d'autopano je n'ai pas trouvé de "post" parlant de ce sujet, or beaucoup ont rencontrés des problèmes d'assemblages qui auraient, à mon avis, pu être solutionnés avec un model plutôt qu'avec "détection d'images orphelines" ou bien encore en tâtonnant manuellement. Je penses que si l'on créer un panoramique 360x180 quasi parfait et que l'on le garde comme "model" ou "template" alors on devrait pouvoir le réutiliser ensuite pour d'autres panoramiques !? Alors ma question est la suivante, est ce qu'une âme charitable et surtout une personne connaissant la technique pour y arriver, pourrait elle m'expliquer comment réussir à créer un model de sorte que je puisse le réutiliser ensuite pour nombres de mes panoramas qui sont souvent réalisés avec le même objectif et la même technique !???

Je vous remercie d'avance et je continu mes recherches wink

À bientôt

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#2 2010-08-08 16:26:52

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

Re-bonjour,
Petite avancée, j'ai déjà trouvé comment créer un model grâce à l'aide interne d'autopano qui dit d'aller dans le finder (je suis sur Mac wink ) et de sélectionner le fichier autopano, celui avec l'extension .pano et suite au clique droit dessus choisir l'option "lire les informations" ce qui fait apparaitre une petite fenêtre d'infos donc, dans laquelle une petite case nommée "model" n'est pas cochée. Il suffit de la cocher et le tour est joué... Yessss,
première étape mais ensuite ça ce complique car pour utiliser le model on doit donc l'ouvrir dans APP et là comment remplacer les images existantes par celles du nouveau panorama ?????
Si quelqu'un trouve je suis preneur, en attendant je continu mes recherches wink

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#3 2010-08-08 17:13:29

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

Suite...
Je reviens vers vous car il est indiqué sur le site APP que l'on peut "sauver comme model", or moi qui suis à jour avec la version 2.0.9, je ne dispose pas de cette option !? Comment cela ce fait il et quelqu'un aurait il cette option dans l'onglet menu d'APP ??
Merci d'avance wink

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#4 2010-08-08 17:19:57

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

The template feature is only available in Autopano Giga.

How to use it:

1. Shoot and stitch a pano using the lens and camera you wish to create a template for; make sure this shoot is of a scene that provides lots of matching features so that you can achive a very good stitch.

2. When you have achieved a good stitch then choose Save as template from within the Panorama Editor and name it as you choose. See first screenshot.

3. To use the template with a different set of images shot with the same lens/camera combination, and using the same pattern of shooting, you can select and apply your custom template from Settings/Detection/Links/Layout. See second screenshot.


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm  lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
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#5 2010-08-08 17:27:44

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

Hoooo ok,
I undestand now why i couldn't find it lol
I'm running only APP pro version 2.0.9 and not the Giga one sad
I'm a bit disapointed by the fact that APP pro isn't running this very helpfull option hmm
So i have to get APP Giga now, hope it is not to diffeant from APP pro
Tx to u mediavets wink

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#6 2010-08-08 17:37:37

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

Jools wrote:

Hoooo ok,
I undestand now why i couldn't find it lol
I'm running only APP pro version 2.0.9 and not the Giga one sad
I'm a bit disapointed by the fact that APP pro isn't running this very helpfull option hmm
So i have to get APP Giga now, hope it is not to diffeant from APP pro
Tx to u mediavets wink

There's not much difference between the current versions Autopano Pro and Autopano Giga.

Here is a table that outlines the differences:
http://www.autopano.net/en/photo-stitch … ation.html

Aside from template creation, workspace saving and support for high-end robotic pano heads, the major difference at present is that Autopano Tour (APT), a stand-alone virtual tour authoring program which acts as a GUI front-end to krpano, is bundled with Autopano Giga.

Kolor has announced that with the release of next major version (V2.5) then Autopano Tour will become a separate product and will no longer be bundled with Autopano Giga.

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Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm  lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#7 2010-08-08 17:56:06

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

Ok thx,
I've just bot the last version off APP Giga... Happy but another 100 euros out, hopefully im a geek and i really like your product tongue
Thx again for your quick answer and keep up the good work wink
Sincerly

Jools cool

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#8 2010-08-08 18:24:52

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

Jools wrote:

Ok thx,
I've just bot the last version off APP Giga... Happy but another 100 euros out, hopefully im a geek and i really like your product tongue
Thx again for your quick answer and keep up the good work wink
Sincerly

Jools cool

I don't work for Kolor - I'm just another user who like to help others when I can answer a question.

BTW when you install Autopano Giga (APG) it will also install Autopano Tour (APT), but the version of APT it installs is not the latest.

You can get the latest version of Autopano Tour here (v1.1 beta9):
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t9204-apt-v1.1-beta-9

If you like APT then you will probably wish to get a license for krpano to enable some of the more advanced features of APT. You can purchase a license for krpano from the Kolor web shop, and get a 10 Euro discount since you already have APG:
http://www.kolor.com/buy/software/krpan … cense.html

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Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm  lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#9 2010-08-08 19:01:33

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

Ok,
Now, after buying new APP Giga for another 119 euros just to be able to get this "template" option and installing the program, i've done 100 of try the way mediavets told me earlyer and it doesn't work at all. I start to get really anoyed by all that, so i ask for help a last time to solve this probleme please cause i probably done something wrong but i really can't see what now.

1: in the detection options i've put the model i've done from a great pano i deed before with the same technic and material.
2: i try to load new images with the new detection settings.
3: I get a hole in my sky and it tell's me that there is no control points for this image in particular !?!

So, if it's using a model it would normaly put the new images exactly where are the model's one, no !??? Or i'm a complet dumb and i dont understand what is a model so...

5 hours trying and no results im about to crash my computer into the wall mad

Please heeeeeeeelp meeeeeeee

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#10 2010-08-08 19:53:41

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

How many images are there in your image set?

If it's viable perhaps you could upload your 'challenging' image set to the web (preferably as a ZIP file) them so that I, and/or others, can take a look and do a trial stitch.

I am afraid I don't know in any detail how the template is supposed to work. Only Kolor developers can tell you that.

I have found that it does have an effect to use a template - I typically get a smaller RMS value when using a template than when not using a template. But I don't know whether it's capable of positioning images that otherwise lack and features to enable automatic placement of control points.

The Import wizards/filters for robotic pano head image sets, shot using a Merlin/Papywizard robotic pano head system for example, can certainly position images for which no control points can be detected. But that 'mechanism' may be different from that used for the template feature.

If you just have one image that's not being included in the stitch for lack of features then you can probably position in Move Images mode by manually editing the Yaw, Pitch and Roll values for that image, or by dragging the unlinked image into position. If the orphaned image is indeed genuinely 'featureless' then precise placement won't matter.


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm  lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#11 2010-08-08 19:59:24

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

I have 16 images on my set and i tryed with others panoramas and it didn't work either so i quit for today or i will do a mistake hmm
Thx for your time and your well done reply posts...
See you soon

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#12 2010-08-08 20:09:20

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

If you plan to shoot a lot of high res. partial panos outdoors with a longer focal length lens in a regular matrix pattern of shooting which is likely to produce a lot of 'featureless' images (typically of areas of sky) then there are a couple of approaches which can help to manage the 'orphaned' images problem which can be a major challenge with such panos:

1. Ideally use a robotic pano head. The Gigapan Epic, Epic Pro and Epic Pro series of robotic heads, and the Merlin/Papywizard system, are supported by APP/APG with special Import wizards/filters that assist with the placemnt of images that would otherwise be orphaned. The Merlin/Papywizard system offers the best price-performance for consumer DSLRs and is now offered via the Kolor web shop as the Panogear system with the option of a touchscreen controller instead of Papywizard:
http://www.kolor.com/buy/photo-hardware … xel-2.html

2. If using a manual click-stop pano head then you could try using a pattern of shooting that's compatible with one of the supported Gigapan shooting patterns and try using the Gigapan Import wizard/filter. See screenshot.


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Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm  lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#13 2010-08-08 20:13:41

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

Jools wrote:

I have 16 images on my set and i tryed with others panoramas and it didn't work either so i quit for today or i will do a mistake hmm
Thx for your time and your well done reply posts...
See you soon

I'd be happy to have a look at, and trial stitch, one of your image sets if you can make one or more availble for download.

A reduced size set would be fine if that's easier. But I'd need to know what camera and lens you used if the EXIF data gets lost in pre-processing.


Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm  lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#14 2010-08-09 12:24:40

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

Jools wrote:

Ok,
Now, after buying new APP Giga for another 119 euros just to be able to get this "template" option and installing the program, i've done 100 of try the way mediavets told me earlyer and it doesn't work at all. I start to get really anoyed by all that, so i ask for help a last time to solve this probleme please cause i probably done something wrong but i really can't see what now.

1: in the detection options i've put the model i've done from a great pano i deed before with the same technic and material.
2: i try to load new images with the new detection settings.
3: I get a hole in my sky and it tell's me that there is no control points for this image in particular !?!

So, if it's using a model it would normaly put the new images exactly where are the model's one, no !??? Or i'm a complet dumb and i dont understand what is a model so...

5 hours trying and no results im about to crash my computer into the wall mad

Please heeeeeeeelp meeeeeeee

Alexandre,

Can you please comment on this.


Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm  lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#15 2010-08-09 12:58:17

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Re: Création d'un model ou bien d'un "template" !?

Hello again,
So after this bad end of day yesterday, here is a new day big_smile
I've finaly done it but manually cause i didn't found the way i'm searchin' for (template)
here is a capture of the panorama as a test but looks correct:
http://vdurillon.free.fr/Jules/pano%20top%20montagne%20test.jpg
I will continu to search where i've probably done something wrong but i think that a tutorial on this option would be a great idea for numerous panophotographers like me wink
If i find the way to do it i will do it cause i've been searching so much on this that i dont want others to be like me... searching for days tongue

Sincerly,

Jools cool

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