baba wrote:

2. inconsistent speed.
sometimes 20 seconds between the shots and sometimes just 8. if it starts slow it continues slow, if it start fast it goes on fast

check if the bubble let light through towards the encoder.
remove the battery housing and put some black tape under the bubble to avoid irritation of the encoder.

check if the bubble let light through towards the encoder.
remove the battery housing and put some black tape under the bubble to avoid irritation of the encoder.

done, unfortunately without success.

1. You are experiencing slippage on the pitch axis - but as I recall you have adjusted that already?

no! this problem is fixed

2. You have not specified your camera sensor aspect ratio and crop factor and the lens focal length corrcetly

the parameters of camera and lens combo are fine.
most of the panorames are fine but some have inconsistent overlap.

I thought this was exactly the issue that the firmware upgrade fixed. I suppose you are certain that you did perform the firmware upgrade?

the log date show, firmware 206081... but you are right this problem existed also bevor the firmware upgrade....

What Time Value and Stabilisation Delay settings are you using?

more or less the defaut settings, however i played around without change for the better

Errr...do you mean that the Nokia screen goes blank/turns off  - in which case it sounds like the power saving settings turning the display off - or something else

suddenly you see the main window of the nokia, as if somebody have closed the program?? i have to restart it again, if i want to comtinue. this happens quite frequently usually in the middle of the pano

Please show us a screenshot so we can see the nature of the problem

as soon as i know how to do it...i contacted paul for a instand telephon support.

boris

each panorama is another mystery. each day another surprise...
now the papy/nokia are playing on step backward two steps forward. they seem drunken

another pano. again a piece in the left corner is missing, it is because the first started to much on the left. it happens very often amd was a common problem before the upgrade ??

Some more screenshots would be useful.

Click on the Layers mode icon to display the image locations.

Then control-click on the numbers to display the image borders/edges.

Last edited by mediavets (2010-05-15 21:36:19)

Folks, I found a bug in the Merlin plugin, avoiding to switch to the alternate drive (moves <6°) as soon as you change the reference!

But this should be consistent (I mean, not one time every two shots). The solution is not to use the 'Set reference' menu.

I will fix that soon.

mediavets wrote:

fma38 wrote:

The solution is not to use the 'Set reference' menu.

But in the interim, we can acheive the same effect, I think, by moving the head to the desired reference position then turning off the power and powering up again, so that our desired Reference position becomes the Initial position?

Is this correct?

which steps are necessary ?
1 - moveto 0,0
2 - set reference
3 - disconnect PW / Merlin
4 - close PW ?
5 - Power off
6 - Power on
7 - restart PW ?
8 - reconnect PW / Merlin

Last edited by Paul (2010-05-16 11:31:51)

baba wrote:

meanwhile is there anything i can do? to be honest, i do understand what you are talking about

We are talking about how to avoid a bug which can affect the time taken for Merlin head to move between shooting positions. This bug arises if you set the Reference position:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/p63356-to … -41#p63356
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Here's a brief explanation of the terms Initial position and Reference position as used with Papywizard:

Papywizard calculates shooting positions from/relative-to a 0/0 Reference position. By default this will be the position the head is in when you power it up (in any session) - this is also known as the Initial position.

You can overide this - which is (normally) a sensible thing to do in each session - by pointing to the position, normally on the 'level horizon', that you wish to be Yaw 0 and Pitch 0 then setting this as the Reference position. In earlier versions of Papywizard this used to be done by clickling on the house/home icon in the centre of the direction arrows in the main PW screen. In the latest version (2.1.19-1) this has changed and you now set the Reference position via the Hardware menu.

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So what we talking about if show to set the Reference position where we want it without falling foul of the bug - until such time as the bug gets fixed.

We are seeking to do this by a sequence of actions which will ensure that the power-up Initial position is also our desired Refrence position, rather than manually setting the Reference position, after power-up and PW connection, via the hardware menu after positioning the head with the arrow buttons.

Last edited by mediavets (2010-05-16 12:03:08)

baba wrote:

black holes in the panorama and inconsistent grid are much bigger headache for me.

The pitch angles appear to be consistent - it's the yaw angles that seem to vary. Very strange.

i would also like to use the keyboard shortcuts on my nokia to move the head....

Frederic removed that capability in latest version because it was causing problems (with other running programs) under Windows.
The only keyboard shortcuts supported now - in V2.1.19-1 - are documented here:
http://www.papywizard.org/wiki/UserGuid … dshortcuts

I miss this on the Nokia too; I don't know whether he could, or would, restore the arrow key functionality just for the Nokia Maemo platform.

today is a hole free day . the only difference to yesterday, i do not use the reference position anymore. also the speed is normal again. my merlin is making 1 picture every 8,5 seconds. this are the good news....

BUT

1. papy crashes constantly! most of the time in the middle of the pano. it never crashes when it is open but without work... lazy bastard !

2. another annoying phenomen can be seen in the screenshot. every second row instead of going down, merlin also moves slightly to the right or to the left. it is still possibel to crop the panorama but why can't it produce a recangel ???

claudevh  wrote:

Do you have the same problems when you use your computer under Windows 7 and your Nokia N800 ...

i tried... belive it or not, i am to stupid to connect the two devices.

Have a look into your XML files to see if all pictures are taken with the same intervals in the horizontal coordinates (yaw), if this is the case, your must tighen the bolt of the axis (maybe is some slipping on this axis)

Could-you also open the battery cover and have a "detailled" look on the encoder wheel ... are there missing (broken pieces) on the wheel?

Could you try a XML preset in place of the mosaic mode and see if you have also "black holes"  in the preset mode ?

no black holes today, i hope it was because the reference position wasn't set anymore.... however thank you for your good advice!

Last edited by baba (2010-05-16 18:35:39)

Hello Baba,

When I see the screen shot of your pictures in APP, this is for me very clear that you have a "slippage" when the head is going from "Left to Right" and much less when the head is going from "Right to Left" (the angles between the different pictures are not equals ! this is "obvious !!!)
You must try to tighten the bolt of the yaw axis, try 1/8 of turn then make a new trial, if satisfactory stay as it is... if not try another 1/8 of turn !

Last edited by claudevh (2010-05-16 20:05:56)

mediavets   wrote:

I think you described this as Papywizard closing with no error message and the Nokia main display still being operable, is that correct?

exactly, paul told me to know this issue. it happens so seldom that he just did't pay attention to it. my crashas are very common

mediavets  wrote:

Perhaps there's a way to recover the log to see what's happening

i can read them, but don't know how to post them

is this happening just today or has it happened before?

it is never a rectangel? it is sometimes symetrical sometimes just on one side. it is NEVER a rectangel and it is always on the yaw axis.

As far as connecting the Nokia to a Windows machine it's as simple as connecting with the USB cable that comes with it. The Nokia removable memeory card(s) then appear as drive(s) with drive letter designation(s) on Windows. The N800 supports up to two SD cards, one fitted internally and the other in an externally accessible slot under the stand rail. If you choose one of these cards as the defined storage location for Papywizard data files (via the Configure tab) then it makes it easy to transfer the Papywizard data files to your PC.

the data are on the sd card, when i connect the nokia to my pc i can't find them , when i remove the card, i can see the data on my screen, but don't know yet how to save them. i will try it tomorrow again. i also tried to connect the pc with the merlin, but again....to stupid. sooner or later i will figure it out.

claudevh  wrote:

When I see the screen shot of your pictures in APP, this is for me very clear that you have a "slippage" when the head is going from "Left to Right" and much less when the head is going from "Right to Left" (the angles between the different pictures are not equals ! this is "obvious !!!)
You must try to tighten the bolt of the yaw axis, try 1/8 of turn then make a new trial, if satisfactory stay as it is if not try another 1/8 of turn !

the pattern isn't always the same! sometimes it is visible just on one side, can happen on the right or on the left. sometimes on the upper left corner and lower right. also the sound is different than slippage, i stood close to the head. merlin finished the yaw-row, go down, stoped, agin left, stop and just then went to the foreseen position. however i will try to tighten the yaw axis bolt.