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#1 2010-03-15 15:16:35

deepvisual
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stitch errors

I seem to have a recurrent problem.
all my panos stitch fine, but the sphere - a big white balloon with seams, never seems to work.
you can see here, I've had to bodge it in photoshop.
http://www.absolutehollywood.com/immers … heres.html

the edges of the sphere and the seams never line up.

what is really annoying is that if I try to add control points, it just wont do it...
all shot on nikon d300s with nodal  ninja and sigma 4.5mm

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#2 2010-03-15 15:24:56

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Re: stitch errors

deepvisual wrote:

I seem to have a recurrent problem.
all my panos stitch fine, but the sphere - a big white balloon with seams, never seems to work.
you can see here, I've had to bodge it in photoshop.
http://www.absolutehollywood.com/immers … heres.html

the edges of the sphere and the seams never line up.

what is really annoying is that if I try to add control points, it just wont do it...
all shot on nikon d300s with nodal  ninja and sigma 4.5mm

Can you put a set of images on-line preferably as a ZIP file so we download it and have look to see why you are having such problems?


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#3 2010-03-15 16:09:50

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Re: stitch errors

I've uploaded a folder called pano here..

http://idisk.mac.com/deepvisual-Public

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#4 2010-03-15 17:27:08

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Re: stitch errors

deepvisual wrote:

I've uploaded a folder called pano here..

http://idisk.mac.com/deepvisual-Public

Hi!

I tried your files - you have a massive misalignment. You can see it in the asymetrical footprint. I left aside your Nadir shot.
Not to get it right without heavy retouching.

The shorter the lens the more accurate you have to align!

btw.: why such an extremely short lens? Using a Nikon 10,5mm you´d have had the same amount of shots: 6 horiz + 1up and 1 down.
But less problems i´m sure.
Would you tell us about your head and your alignment?

best, Klaus


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#5 2010-03-15 17:56:25

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Re: stitch errors

ah so that's what it is...
bum.

Thanks anyway. I'll bodge these in photoshop and re-adjust the Nodal Ninja ready for next time.
I got the 4.5 to do ultrawide timelapse as I do a lot of work in planetariums... its great for that!

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#6 2010-03-15 17:58:47

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Re: stitch errors

deepvisual wrote:

ah so that's what it is...
bum.

Thanks anyway. I'll bodge these in photoshop and re-adjust the Nodal Ninja ready for next time.
I got the 4.5 to do ultrawide timelapse as I do a lot of work in planetariums... its great for that!

Ah - i see!

good luck, Klaus


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#7 2010-03-15 18:27:22

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Re: stitch errors

deepvisual wrote:

I've uploaded a folder called pano here..

http://idisk.mac.com/deepvisual-Public

You should only need to shoot 3-around, plus optional nadir or zenith, with the Sigma 4.5mm FE on a Nikon D300s.

There's something strange about your images; the FOV doesn't seem right somehow - the image circle is too small - for a Sigma 4.5mm FE on a Nikon D300s cropped 1.5x sensor.

Here's a sample image set shot 3-around, plus zenith, with that lens on a D300:
http://tinyurl.com/ydxqovk

I am seeing an image circle of approx. 2330 pixels - compared to a circle of approx. 1800 pixels from your images. And I'm not sure why this is. If this was Sigma 8mm f3.5 I'd suggest you had left part of the lens cap on the lens, but...

Update: and that is what is happening here I think. It seems the Sigma 4.5mm FE has a two-part lens cap like the Sigma 8mm f3.5 and you have not removed the second part of the lens cap and thus have limited the FOV.

I quote from this review:
http://dimagemaker.com/2008/07/11/sigma … ns-review/

"One trap to avoid is the lenscap: it is in two parts. I missed this the first time shooting and only realized when examining the images later. There is a normal lenscap but this attaches to what looks like a lens shade whose purpose is to keep the lenscap off the front element of the lens."

Another 3-around sample image set using the Sigma 4.5mm FE this time on a D80:
http://www.agnos.com/dati/download/samp … nevale.zip

.........
However you look at it, IMO the Sigma 4.5mm FE is not a great choice for panos, you're getting a rather low res. spherical pano from relatively a high end DSLR with this lens.

For most purposes the Sigma 8mm f3.5 FE, or the Nikkor 10.5mm FE, or the Samyang 8mm FE are all better choices.

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Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
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#8 2010-03-16 10:27:03

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Re: stitch errors

There's something strange about your images; the FOV doesn't seem right somehow - the image circle is too small - for a Sigma 4.5mm FE on a Nikon D300s cropped 1.5x sensor

OMG
I can't believe I've spent the last six months shooting with the lens cap on. I didn't know it had two lens caps and thought the 180° claims were just hype..
Arrrrrrrrgh. ( bangs head on table repeatedly)

oh well. at least I now have a pleasant 180° future...

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#9 2010-03-16 10:32:40

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Re: stitch errors

That is probably the most EPIC FAIL I've seen reported on those forums big_smile


Some of my panoramas, posted in the Autopano Pro flickr group.

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#10 2010-03-16 10:58:36

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Re: stitch errors

deepvisual wrote:

There's something strange about your images; the FOV doesn't seem right somehow - the image circle is too small - for a Sigma 4.5mm FE on a Nikon D300s cropped 1.5x sensor

OMG
I can't believe I've spent the last six months shooting with the lens cap on. I didn't know it had two lens caps and thought the 180° claims were just hype..
Arrrrrrrrgh. ( bangs head on table repeatedly)

oh well. at least I now have a pleasant 180° future...

Don't beat yourself up. You aren't the first and won't be the last.

I did the same thing when I first got my Sigma 8mm FE - but it didn't take me as long to find out. It seems that almost everyone who's got a Sigma 8mm has been through the same experience so there were plenty of people to spot the problem and to set me straight.

The Sigma 4.5mm FE is less widely used.

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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm  lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#11 2010-03-16 11:22:19

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Re: stitch errors

I'm quite happy about it.
proves I'm human after all..

my worst ever fail was sitting down in the middle front row seat of the london Palladium during rehearsals.
They hadn't told me all the seats had been taken out and then replaced and that none of them were bolted down - and of course theatre seats are all joined together in rows
So the whole front row fell over
which knocked over the 2nd row
etc etc.

took out over 300 seats..

but hey, two dumb ass mistakes in a 25 year career.. I can live with that.

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#12 2010-03-16 13:02:18

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Re: stitch errors

deepvisual wrote:

my worst ever fail was sitting down in the middle front row seat of the london Palladium during rehearsals.
They hadn't told me all the seats had been taken out and then replaced and that none of them were bolted down - and of course theatre seats are all joined together in rows
So the whole front row fell over
which knocked over the 2nd row
etc etc.

took out over 300 seats..

LOL!  Boy did I chuckle at that!  big_smile


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#13 2010-03-16 13:08:37

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Re: stitch errors

@deepvisual

... you have my deepest compassion big_smile
Nevertheless.... Sigma is special with their UWA -Lenses . They all suffer the same illness: There is a hood over the dedicated hood lol

I made this mistake too... only once, but yet.

Greetings
Georg

PS: I´d like to see your picture taken correctly.  Looks fairly pretty to me....


The picture is made behind the camera.......

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#14 2010-03-16 13:52:32

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Re: stitch errors

A sticker like roll Please remove before use roll could be suggested to Sigma !


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#15 2010-03-16 16:46:57

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Re: stitch errors

Same thing on the Sigma 12-24mm.  It makes sense here-if you're shooting at the telephoto end, you can use an 82mm filter.

Even if you know the lenscap has two parts, its easy to forget it, and not take the second part off.

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#16 2010-03-16 16:59:15

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Re: stitch errors

did never see a  "Sigma 4.5mm FE". One question - because of lack of imagination:
what are the reasons for having this split model of lenscab?
does someone can contribute an image ... ?

;-)
Georg

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#17 2010-03-17 12:41:15

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Re: stitch errors

gkaefer wrote:

did never see a  "Sigma 4.5mm FE". One question - because of lack of imagination:
what are the reasons for having this split model of lenscab?
does someone can contribute an image ... ?

;-)
Georg

Sigma 8mm FE but same style I guess:


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm  lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
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#18 2010-03-17 14:29:11

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Re: stitch errors

mediavets wrote:

gkaefer wrote:

did never see a  "Sigma 4.5mm FE". One question - because of lack of imagination:
what are the reasons for having this split model of lenscab?
does someone can contribute an image ... ?

;-)
Georg

Sigma 8mm FE but same style I guess:

?? I don´t see any difference with the cap. . . . cool

best, Klaus


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#19 2010-03-17 17:31:00

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Re: stitch errors

klausesser wrote:

mediavets wrote:

gkaefer wrote:

did never see a  "Sigma 4.5mm FE". One question - because of lack of imagination:
what are the reasons for having this split model of lenscab?
does someone can contribute an image ... ?

;-)
Georg

Sigma 8mm FE but same style I guess:

?? I don´t see any difference with the cap. . . . cool

best, Klaus

;-) it was written "two-part lens cap" - the image shows me one lens cap and one glare whatever...
Georg

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#20 2010-03-17 17:45:53

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Re: stitch errors

It maybe glare and what I would call bounce protection!!!

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#21 2010-03-17 18:05:43

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Re: stitch errors

gkaefer wrote:

;-) it was written "two-part lens cap" - the image shows me one lens cap and one glare whatever...
Georg

It's a two part lens cap you have to have the ring element on the lens to attach the other part.

I just pull off/push on the whole thing now. But one's first thought is just to remove the circular 'cap', and then you'll wonder why the image FOV is not as large as you expected!


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm  lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#22 2010-03-19 00:08:22

deepvisual
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Re: stitch errors

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#23 2010-03-19 01:11:28

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Re: stitch errors

deepvisual wrote:

as requested, more information about the panorama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLL8VG5ON_E

http://www.absolutehollywood.com/strato … -dome.html

Hi!

You should review the size. The pano loads far too log (i have a 16MB cable) - despite of a quite low resolution. And i would alter the rotation speed: i find it´s too fast. Also you should limit the zoom-back range.
I guess you used the "embed all files" option - better don´t. Having the xml fiies extra you can control all these things.

You need the KRPano unlimited license.

best, Klaus

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#24 2010-03-19 12:13:13

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Re: stitch errors

thanks
new soft is on the long list of things that I can do now the show is over..

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