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#1 2010-02-25 05:55:41

Brianb50
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Stil having trouble with HDRs

I am using the trial version of Autopano to try and get a workflow down for creating 32 bit .hdr file for use as environment maps in 3D.

So I feed my carefully bracketed .raw file to Autopano, and it correctly creates 9 HDRs (with the BKT tag on the icon).  I align, and get a pretty solid looking spherical projection.

But, When I save an .hdr out, I get a 32bit file that is not an HDR. 8bits of information in a 32bit container.

I am set to HDR CC, though I'm not correcting anything. I'm saving a 32 bit .hdr, single layer.

Do I need Giga? Anything I'm missing?

Brian

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#2 2010-03-07 20:08:17

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Re: Stil having trouble with HDRs

You might find it useful to read this article:
http://www.autopano.net/wiki-en/action/ … d_panorama
You might use http://www.hdrlabs.com/picturenaut/index.html who are Autopano promotional parthner, and offer a great tone mapping, and HDRi soft Picturenaut. You can also simply merge to HDRi in photoshop starting with CS3 version i believe.
At this point in time APP, rather then producing true HDRi, uses HDRi techniques to make differently exposed images look good in a pano. You would need to generate two or more different files (see first link above) to produce a true HDR 32 bit floating image. But do not abandon APP as it does something unique by using all of the bracketed images for alignment, so all of the layers shot at the different shutter speeds will have a perfect registration.
When making three or more layers in APP make sure to actually turn off color correction. But that would mean making 2 or more sets of images covering the entire scene with different but the same for each set shutter speeds.
Good luck.

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#3 2010-03-10 08:49:48

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Re: Stil having trouble with HDRs

@dkitsov,

But what if APP doesn't "see" the bracketed images, as bracketed images?  There were shot as a bracketed set using "AEB" on my canon.  Tested this feature on both Mac and Windows, neither platform show a BKT tag.  Using APP to look at the EXIF data, "eV:" field changes, but the "eV Bias value:" stays the same for all images.

Is there a way to force APP to treat this photos as a bracketed set?

Or, let's say I bring in a bracketed shots of 1/60, 1/250, 1/1000, all f/8.  APP stitches it, but I want my 1/250 and 1/1000 shots to match the position of the 1/60 shots?

I'm fine with rendering out layers, I just need to make sure all the images are perfectly aligned for HDR creation.


Thanks...

ps, APP doesn't see a bracketed set from the raw camera files either (*.CR2 in my case)

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#4 2010-03-10 09:06:33

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Re: Stil having trouble with HDRs

streameru wrote:

But what if APP doesn't "see" the bracketed images, as bracketed images?  There were shot as a bracketed set using "AEB" on my canon.  Tested this feature on both Mac and Windows, neither platform show a BKT tag.  Using APP to look at the EXIF data, "eV:" field changes, but the "eV Bias value:" stays the same for all images.

Is there a way to force APP to treat this photos as a bracketed set?

I was going to say 'no' - but thinking about it I suppose the answer may be 'yes'.

Use an EXIF editor edit the eV bias values?

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#5 2010-03-11 03:59:52

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Re: Stil having trouble with HDRs

You know of one that will allow me to edit those values?  smile

Been through a few of them, none allow me to edit 'eV bias' values. 

Shouldn't APP read the EXIF data from canon correctly?  Even from a camera raw file?

My friend that is testing APP with his Nikon, doesn't appear to have the problem.

I'm new to the software, but this does seem like a bit of a bug.



Thanks


EDIT - heh - so, looking at the bug portion of the forum, looks like my problem with APP not seeing my AEB shots appears to be an issue with canons shooting in manual mode (which I do).

for anyone wanting to read more:

http://www.autopano.net/forum/p59908-20 … -29#p59908

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#6 2010-03-11 09:03:26

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Re: Stil having trouble with HDRs

streameru wrote:

You know of one that will allow me to edit those values?  smile

Been through a few of them, none allow me to edit 'eV bias' values.

Try Opanda PowerEXIF if you are using Windows.:
http://www.opanda.com/en/pe/index.html

If you are not using Windows then I fear you are beyond any form of help that I can offer.wink

Shouldn't APP read the EXIF data from canon correctly?  Even from a camera raw file?

My friend that is testing APP with his Nikon, doesn't appear to have the problem.

I'm new to the software, but this does seem like a bit of a bug.

I think that by now you have perhaps finally understood that APP/APG's BKT feature - assigning bracketed images to 'stacks' - only works via the eV bias value in the EXIF. If your camera's AEB function - or whatever other means of bracketing you choose to use - does not reflect the bracketing in the eV bias data in the EXIF then APP/APG will not automatically assign the bracketed images to 'stacks'.

Is this a bug? No, because the way it works (and why it works this way) has been described by Kolor developers.

Is it adequate? No, it's definitely not good enough, IMO.

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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm  lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#7 2010-03-27 05:39:34

Brianb50
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Re: Stil having trouble with HDRs

Thanks for the links and information. I'm hoping the ability to stitch 32 files into a 32 bit hdri image is supported in a future version. What about Gigapan?

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#8 2010-03-27 10:00:12

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Re: Stil having trouble with HDRs

Brianb50 wrote:

What about Gigapan?

Errr...what about Gigapan?

I am uncertain as to your question?


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm  lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K

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#9 2010-03-28 05:15:53

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Re: Stil having trouble with HDRs

it would be really great to hdr function to work properly in APG and APP, even if it could equal PTGui, that would be a dream come true for me
at the moment, APG can't sort out my HDR pano's but PTGui is almost every time so bloody close its frightning,  as in I get HDR panos that I can use and print.

please! HDR!

Henrik

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#10 2010-04-06 23:40:04

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Re: Stil having trouble with HDRs

mediavets wrote:

Shouldn't APP read the EXIF data from canon correctly?  Even from a camera raw file?

My friend that is testing APP with his Nikon, doesn't appear to have the problem.

I'm new to the software, but this does seem like a bit of a bug.

I think that by now you have perhaps finally understood that APP/APG's BKT feature - assigning bracketed images to 'stacks' - only works via the eV bias value in the EXIF. If your camera's AEB function - or whatever other means of bracketing you choose to use - does not reflect the bracketing in the eV bias data in the EXIF then APP/APG will not automatically assign the bracketed images to 'stacks'.

Is this a bug? No, because the way it works (and why it works this way) has been described by Kolor developers.

Is it adequate? No, it's definitely not good enough, IMO.

I was struggling with this as well; I have a camera with very good dynamic range, such that I can usually get decent HDR just by outputting TIFF from RAW at +2 & -2 EV or more, then feeding the 3 resulting TIFFs to an HDR program like Photomatix.

I have a 13-image pano that stitches to about 175MP, unfortunately that's too big for Photomatix to swallow so I'll be trying Picturenaut later.

Anyway, I overlooked the layer capability on my first try and I can attest to the fact that rendering separate panos will indeed lead to registration issues. 10 hours of render and setup time down the tubes. smile Obviously, when outputting 3 images from a single RAW, the EXIFs are all identical. I think my solution might be something that you could try.

What I did was, in the editor window, I changed the shutter speeds for all images to indicate the EV difference. So, the 0EV images were at 1/20. The -2EV images I set to 1/80 sec. The +3EV images I set to 1/2 sec(The dialog would not accept 1/2.5). I then clicked the button to separate out layers by shutter speed, changed the color correction so that each layer used the same anchor image, and set it to work. Oh, I took some tips about outputting individual layers as files from here.

It's been churning away for about 4 hours, when I get home from work I'll see how it's doing. Hopefully it won't have crashed, I have followed every recommendation about preventing crashes in 2.0.6, and I don't know if it's any more likely to crash rendering 39 files as 3 layers vs 13 files as a single layer. smile

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#11 2010-04-07 05:57:15

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Re: Stil having trouble with HDRs

Well, the color correction wasn't properly disabled so I guess I'm starting over. Seems like I'm on the right track though, my layers came out as intended except for the CC. Good news is it completed.

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