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I'm strugling with a 2 layer pano with about 200megapixel. (23016x11508 pixel)
I cant use exported tiffs (uncompressed, nor zip compressed) - Gimp and Serif Photo Plus 11 are failing to open the files. One layer os about 1 gig filesize I can open, the other layer has 4.5 gig and cant be opened. I assume because of tiff limits.
ok. trying .psd export in APG 2.0.6 layers are saves as .psb files - filesize...
my problem: I have no Photoshop.
Is there any PS Plugin I can use for Gimp 2.0 or Serif Photo Plus 11 so I can open the .psb files?
... or any free image tool that can open .psb files created b AP?
Win 7 RC 64 bit using...
thanks in advance,
Georg
Last edited by gkaefer (2010-01-11 01:20:43)
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Georg,
I'm not sure about a plugin for the GIMP, but you can forget about such large images with PhotoPlus. There is much talk on the Serif forums about opening larger files and even the newest versions of PhotoPlus seem to have problems with anything bigger than about 5000 pixels.
We hope that PhotoPlusX4 will fix this when it comes along, as this limit of 5000 pixels can be broken by a single image from a 20Megapixel camera.
It may be that only photoshop can be used for such large images.
David
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Gimp is able to open very large images (it can be long, but it works).
Could your problem be a filesystem issue?
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fma38 wrote:
Gimp is able to open very large images (it can be long, but it works).
Could your problem be a filesystem issue?
dont think so. win7 RC 64 bit with standard filesystem (NTFS)
the problem with gimp I've only a choice to open .psd files - if I say show *.* top display all files and select a .psb file than I get error wrong file format... (newest gimp 2.6.0 using)
so if theres no other programm which can open psb files except PS than I've only the possibillity to save each image in a sperate layer file and I've to play puzzle or I've to export each layer in jpg format so I can create in image programm a new file and import the jpgs as layers...
... all troubles I encount now started by taking an panorama where a plane is flying. This plane is recognized as ghost object and eliminated by smartblend (the plane is centered in this shot and not overlapped by other images). So on my whichlist for future AP will be something like an ghostdetector, where I can switch on/off which form will be deteced as ghost, persons, plains, cars, trees. This would be cool. depending on subject of panorama it would be possible to say, ok in this case I want to disable the detection of planes as ghosts, I want to have them 100% in my pano....
many thanks for support,
Georg
Last edited by gkaefer (2010-01-11 15:33:48)
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gkaefer wrote:
Is there any PS Plugin I can use for Gimp 2.0 or Serif Photo Plus 11 so I can open the .psb files?
... or any free image tool that can open .psb files created b AP?
Toby Thain has written a program called psdparse which can convert a .psb file to PNG format. Navigate to http://www.telegraphics.com.au/sw/ and search for psdparse.
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Why convert psd to png when you can render straight to png?
Why render to png when tiff is faster and supports metadata?
imagemagick can convert psd to whatever. http://www.imagemagick.org/script/binar … hp#windows
"Gimp and Serif Photo Plus 11 are failing to open the files." This is a poor quality error/bug report. It doesn't tell us anything. What's the symptom? Any errors?
Gimp opens 25 000 x 12 500 px TIFF files fine. Make sure you have enough memory.
Some programs write multi-page TIFFs, are you sure this isn't your problem?
Also, this might be your problem:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t7530-apg … tif-writer
Sorry but I didn't test the latest APG yet, I've been stuck with a very old PC for the past few good weeks and it will be another few before I get a entry level laptop to stitch panos on the move.
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DrSlony wrote:
Why convert psd to png when you can render straight to png?
Why render to png when tiff is faster and supports metadata?
AutoPano Pro and Giga cannot write PNG or TIFF files larger than 2 GiB. By using PSD/PSB format you avoid that limitation. PNG does support metadata.
Last edited by John_Sauter (2010-01-11 20:25:15)
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If my memory serves me right, gimp doesnt suffer the same 30kpx problem with jpg that photoshop does. Additionally i believe there's an experimental x64 version. Not sure how much of this is directly helpfull or already known, but hopefully not a waste of keystrokes
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John: but his pano is not that large, even as uncompressed TIFF/EP it would only be ~1.5GB.
Popular PNG flavors don't support metadata (e.g. xmp, iptc, exif), the only program I know that handles such png metadata is digiKam (didn't check which component actually adds this support, perhaps its exiv2?)
Speaking of which, digiKam already supports PGF, does Gimp support it yet?
----update
Gimp head doesn't support PGF.
----update2
[21:22:17] <schumaml> I think the max image size in gimp is 126000 per dimension, but I might be miswtaken
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The definition of the PNG format does include metadata; but, as with all file formats, not all programs support metadata. The Gimp, for example, does not copy most metadata regardless of the format of the image file. I use exiftool to copy metadata from one image file to another. Here is a script I use to convert RAW to PNG, and copy metadata from the RAW and JPG sources:
#!/bin/bash
# File: rawtopng.sh, Author: John Sauter, Date: June 15, 2009
#
# Convert a directory of raw files to PNG format, with EXIF data.
# Argument 1 is the source directory, 2 is the destination,
# 3 location of jpeg files, for more exif information
#
# If the first argument is a file, just do one conversion.
#
if [[ -f ${1} ]]; then
source_file=${1}
dest_dir=${2}
extra_dir=${3}
source_dir=${source_file%/*.RAW}
source_name=${source_file%%.RAW}
source_name=${source_name##*/}
dcraw -w -W ${source_file}
mv ${source_dir}/${source_name}.ppm ${dest_dir}/${source_name}.ppm
optipng -q -o2 ${dest_dir}/${source_name}.ppm
rm ${dest_dir}/${source_name}.ppm
exiftool -v -overwrite_original -TagsFromFile ${extra_dir}/${source_name}.JPG -TagsFromFile ${source_file} ${dest_dir}/${source_name}.png
else
myself=${0}
source_dir=${1}
dest_dir=${2}
extra_dir=${3}
for source_file in $source_dir/*.RAW; do
nice bash ${myself} ${source_file} ${dest_dir} ${extra_dir} &
sleep 5
loadavg=`cat /proc/loadavg | cut -d "." -f 1`
while [[ ${loadavg} -gt 20 ]]; do
sleep 10
loadavg=`cat /proc/loadavg | cut -d "." -f 1`
done
done
wait
fi
Last edited by John_Sauter (2010-01-11 22:21:30)
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thanks for your answers...
Autopano does not let the user decide if final image will be saved as .psd or as .psb - I choosed .psd and .psb was created. I sppose because of filesize...
So even imagemagick can convert .psb files to .jpg or whatever - it has no use for my workflow. AP cannot save 2 layers created in one single final image - it creates two files containing one layer each. So I finally need a program which can stack 2 single images containing one layer to one final image with both layers stacked together. I cant let do this AP, because smartblend does eliminate objects which are regognized as ghosts - multiband is not the choice because of the images I use I've an example with a plane and an example with one car. In both cases I want to keep the opbject in the pano, I can achieve this by dropping the according images to a seperate layer in AP.
more feedback from my side:
DrSlony:
imagemagick can convert psd to whatever.
ok will test it to extract the layers from the psb files with imagemagick...
This is a poor quality error/bug report. It doesn't tell us anything. What's the symptom? Any errors?
sorry - I wrote what I got from Serif Photo Plus 11 trying to open the psb file "than I get error >wrong file format...<"
from Gimp I got more info trying to open the 4.5 gig Tiff file (see attached image ) (200megapixel pano)
and If I export from AP to psd files I get 2 psb files, one 2.3 gig and the other one with 9.6 gig filesize. (same 200megapixel pano)
Gimp opens 25 000 x 12 500 px TIFF files fine. Make sure you have enough memory
ok I use 8gig ram and 64bit Win7 - i think/hope its enougth for one 200megapixel pano.
Some programs write multi-page TIFFs, are you sure this isn't your problem?
no idea. the tiffs were created by Autopano Giga 2.0.6 64bit version - without any error from AP side.
the smaller image containing the layer with the car was 1 Gig tiff uncompressed filesize and the second tiff file containing rest of pano has 4.5 gig. Trying to open the bigger one gives me error as shown in attached image.
Also, this might be your problem:
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t7530-apg … tif-writer
thanks for tip. I used uncompressed tiff option from APG...
ok what are my options?
1. let APG eliminate the "ghosts" so I have one layer only I do not need to postprocess
2. buy Photoshop to postprocess the 2.3 and 9.6 gig .psb files to create on final image
3. I can use the http://www.telegraphics.com.au/sw/ John suggested to extract layers from the psb files and postprocess them... and also I can try DrSlonys tip of imagemagick for the same...
4. I could export the two images from AP directly in png format and postprocess them... (John, I'm testing it right now I write these lines - to see if png has really a 2 gig limit ;-)
thansk for your imput.
Liebe Gruesse,
Georg
edited 3:10am: the png export from APG succeeds 30mb and 400mb files for the two layers. Gimp can open it (slow but works - gimps is saying 2.8 gig filesize for copy&paste), Photo Plus 11 fails with "cant open the file" statement.
Last edited by gkaefer (2010-01-12 03:13:11)
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Georg,
So what's the end result? Also what is your preference for settings to preserve the plane and the car? What's you current solution to exporting a layered large .psb file and opening it in photoshop?
Asher
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sorry, not really. and to be honest I did forget a little bit about this topic.
about filesize in the menawhile a new slicing tool is available...
http://www.autopano.net/forum/t11415-ut … -available
so big files saved in .kro format could be sliced into smaller peaces and to convert these to raw or psd format and the slices can be pasted again...
PS: I own now Adobe Elements 9 too... this program is a good joke and not worth a single euro...
files with 200mb cant be opened because some internal limts are reached (pixel size etc.)
Liebe Gruesse,
Georg
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