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#1 2009-07-15 23:12:21

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Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

A succulent growing on my terrace is in blossom (technical data will came latter if you are interested.)
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#2 2009-07-16 01:38:59

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

Nice! I was wondering, how did you light the plant you showed on your previous bug post about removing CPs above a certain level?

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#3 2009-07-16 08:43:44

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

DrSlony wrote:

how did you light the plant you showed on your previous bug post about removing CPs above a certain level?

cool Only the plain old july sun!

(This pano was only a test for NPP adjustment in the 25cm-50cm (10"-20") distance range of a non-macro zoom @ 135mm equ. setting to be used for the suculent flowers...


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#4 2009-07-16 09:08:52

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

Zooming in...


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#5 2009-07-16 09:18:12

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

Joubarbe???

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#6 2009-07-16 09:28:25

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mountaintb wrote:

Joubarbe???

Joubarbe en étoile, les fleurs ont un peu plus de 2 cm de diamètre http://environnement.ecoles.free.fr/pag … 3s_jpg.htm
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#7 2009-07-16 11:24:03

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

Ca se fume ?


Look. There's a rhythmic ceremonial ritual coming up !

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#8 2009-07-16 11:29:34

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

AMAZING focus!


Some of my panoramas, posted in the Autopano Pro flickr group.

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#9 2009-07-19 19:01:36

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

I agree the focus, clarity and detail is amazing.

Please do tell us more ... camera & lens or did you oversample (shoot a lot of pixels and then scaled it down). ... What is the magic?

Thanks, Tom

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#10 2009-07-19 21:38:42

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tomask wrote:

Please do tell us more ... camera & lens or did you oversample (shoot a lot of pixels and then scaled it down). ... What is the magic?

Your was a lucky guess! I shot a lot of pixels and then rendered between 20% and 50%. As explained here I used a long lens (135 equ.) at F/32 (!) and refocused each frame (subject distance varies from 25cm to 50 cm.) The limited DOF of the 135 mm lens is not a problem because the FOV of the stitched image is much larger than the FOV of a single shot. The diffraction resulting from the F/32 aperture is not a problem because the pano is not rendered full-size. APG 2.0.2 is able to find control points between refocused images and, last but not least, Smartblend was really smart!

I believe the camera (Fuji F5) and the lens (Nikon 16-85) don't really matter, provided the lens can focus on a close subject. To find the NPP for the involved focusing distances, I used a carboard pipe, two thin strings at the ends of the pipe and a toothpick as a focusing aid. Panosaurus panohead.

I would be very happy if I could convince some AP users to test the above method: subjects that would benefit of such unusually high DOF proxi-panos are to be found...


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#11 2009-07-20 23:55:55

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

Thanks for wonderfully detailed explanation.

The most, I love you ingenious usage of toilet paper rolls!! :-) :-)

May I suggest using longer kitchen paper rolls for more accurate NPP setup?

Long time ago, I used similar technique to create this view ... of industrial nature .....

        --- I'm sorry the picture better go before someone .... ---

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#12 2009-07-21 01:45:47

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GURL could you upload one of the RAW files you used to stitch the "Zooming in..." picture? I see some demosaicing artifacts, I'd like to try running it through a few different demosaicing algorithms and see if they can be gotten rid of.

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#13 2009-07-21 13:02:25

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

DrSlony wrote:

GURL could you upload one of the RAW files you used to stitch the "Zooming in..." picture? I see some demosaicing artifacts, I'd like to try running it through a few different demosaicing algorithms and see if they can be gotten rid of.

Here is one: http://www.panorama-numerique.com/DSCF2404.RAF (a 25 MB Fuji RAF where half of the pixels are -2 EV "underexposed" and where the pixel grid don't follow the usual row/column arrangement...) BTW, as the above images are the result of several JPEG conversions and as I used a low quality setting for the last conversion, I doubt you still can see demosaicing artifacts.

The folowing is a 100% JPEG from one of the RAW image to show that when using a f/32 aperture the limited DOF is still more important than the diffraction. In my opinion this is an effect due to the high magnification. A shorter focal length than the 125mm equivalent I used would only hide this DOF problem by reducing the magnification but would not solve it.

To my surprise it's not stupid to use apertures like f/22, f/32 or more when shooting panoramas. We often have more pixels than we can actually display so that we can bind those pixels to clear out the diffraction a smaller aperture implies. Panoramas (even landscape) can be seen as higher magnification images and this is often enough to changes the DOF versus diffraction optimal ratio.


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#14 2009-07-21 13:19:40

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

tomask wrote:

May I suggest using longer kitchen paper rolls for more accurate NPP setup?

The first pipe I used was just that, but this time I used a longer one: 15 cm (6"). Shallow DOF hides parallax errors roll


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#15 2009-07-21 17:03:03

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

Ah, I mistook these vertical stripes for demosaicing artifacts because I thought that was a 100% image but it wasn't. They're not present at all in your last 100% jpg, and also there was almost no difference which demosaicing algorithm i used because of the general lack of sharpness in the image. Demosaicing mazes appear in sharp shots, or where moire and small patterns are present.

Take a look here if you're interested:
http://www.rawtherapee.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1399


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#16 2009-07-21 17:24:05

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

Très jolie plante et joliement photographiée. Gurl nous révèle peu à peu tous ses petits trésors...


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#17 2009-07-23 09:49:19

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I love it. Exploring close-up in pano - would be great in a natural setting.

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#18 2009-07-23 13:48:18

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

sunmaster14 wrote:

Exploring close-up in pano - would be great in a natural setting.

I sometimes dream of a shrinked camera + a shrinked motorized panohead to make ant view 360°x180° panos where a blade of grass would look like a tree!


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#19 2009-07-23 14:56:18

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Re: Une plante grasse de ma terrasse a fleuri

GURL wrote:

I sometimes dream of a shrinked camera + a shrinked motorized panohead to make ant view 360°x180° panos where a blade of grass would look like a tree!

A little... like this ?

http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/v … index.html

Flowers were about 15 - 20 cms height... Not far from what you suggested. We can do better, it was a kind of joke as we were only going for a stroll Trekker and I, with just the smallest camera in our bag in  case of...

I must precise that there was not motorized panohead, only trekker's ten fingers...

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#20 2009-07-23 18:23:13

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Ma Trekker wrote:

GURL wrote:

[..] panos where a blade of grass would look like a tree!

[..] like this ? Flowers were about 15 - 20 cms height...

Viewed from the ground by an ant a 20 cm flower should look larger than a sequoia !

4 mm x 3 mm sensors are common and the corresponding tiny lenses are used in cameraphones but, I'm afraid, no fisheye of this size is availlable so that a very small motor driven panohead looks mandatory to shot about 50 images ...without moving the tripod by more than 0.05 mm mm yikes / lol


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#21 2009-07-26 15:29:08

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GURL wrote:

sunmaster14 wrote:

Exploring close-up in pano - would be great in a natural setting.

I sometimes dream of a shrinked camera + a shrinked motorized panohead to make ant view 360°x180° panos where a blade of grass would look like a tree!

Yes, I have often wondered how I could do a macro pano, but get all the way down there, watching ants building, or something in that size, but photograph it so it looks large

anyway, i'll work something out one day

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