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#1 2009-06-17 13:01:04

ahornero
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Edit or create control points

Hello! I'm a newly Autopano user and I have been obtained very good result using this application.

Usually I compose one panorama with five hundred low resolution pictures, and now I have a problem. This problem is caused by approximately four images that I can't establish links between them. Some of you have this problem?

I just try to include links manually but I can not. Any idea? On the other hand, I put "hard link" between these images and tried to move the links, but I can not, any suggestion about it?

Thanks in advance.


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#2 2009-06-17 15:20:34

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#3 2009-06-17 22:28:52

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Re: Edit or create control points

Hi ahornero,

The tutorial from previous reply is a good one;- that's how I always do it and it usually works. There are some settings to play with to make the detection as high as possible (advanced distortion etc.). If you still have difficulties maybe you can attach the photos to your post so we can have a look as well. Good luck!

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#4 2009-06-18 12:15:38

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Re: Edit or create control points

Thanks wjh31 and HDVR for your responses.

I think you don't understand my problem. I saw this video tutorial some time ago (and now again), but it's not resolve my problem, because I want to put control points manually and not automatically in a defined area. ¿Some idea about this case?

I'm using thermal aerial low-resolution photographs, and I attach you two of the complete mosaic (five hundred)(http://ahornero.com/public/LR_080805.zip). If you tried to obtain point between this images, you can, but if you delete all control points and you try to do it again in the two mosaic photo you can't do that I want to (In the complete mosaic, this images are not linked initially). I only get new control point using geometric analysis between them.

Thanks again.

Alberto.


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#5 2009-06-18 12:48:46

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Re: Edit or create control points

Manual control points is not yet possible in APP

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#6 2009-06-18 13:05:32

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Re: Edit or create control points

Well the day AUTOpano Pro gets manual CP editing, I expect Alexandre to rename the product to MANUALpano Pro big_smile


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#7 2009-06-18 13:25:54

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Re: Edit or create control points

AUTOMANPAN pro sounds better.

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#8 2009-06-18 13:34:50

ahornero
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Re: Edit or create control points

digipano thanks for the info, I was going crazy wink... and AUTOPACMAN sounds fun. tongue

I wonder if the manual control points is something that will come in future. Someone knows something? [bo], you know about this?


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#9 2009-06-18 13:45:59

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Re: Edit or create control points

I guess nobody knows for sure, except the guys at Kolor maybe. I'm not really convinced that manual control points are a MUST. It's just that most people see in them a well-known (if old-school and not practical at all) solution to a very specific set of problems.

Regarding "blue sky" images, those with no features - CPs won't help you and in fact SIFT sometimes does a good job with those too. Regarding "pattern" images, those with similar features that can confuse APP, I gather a much better idea is a sort of drag-and-drop area where you kinda sort the images in a loose (or fixed) mesh/grid. There's a topic with similar proposal in the Future forum. That way you'll have a quick way to instruct APP what general placement the images have and there go the manual CPs...


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#10 2009-06-18 13:57:39

ahornero
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Re: Edit or create control points

If you could put images on a mesh would be ideal. I've tried several cases to do it manually, but the result was almost the same as initially with AutoPano.

Either way, thanks for the info [bo]

Alberto.


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#11 2009-06-18 14:12:42

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Re: Edit or create control points

ahornero wrote:

I wonder if the manual control points is something that will come in future. Someone knows something? [bo], you know about this?

http://www.autopano.net/forum/p45316-20 … -28#p45316


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#12 2009-06-18 14:37:04

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Re: Edit or create control points

Thanks mediavets, I'll wait impatiently for new updates... big_smile


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#13 2009-06-19 08:59:21

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Re: Edit or create control points

I confirm that in v2.1 there will be manual control point editor ( and HDR preliminary jobs ). v2.2 is for the full HDR.

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#14 2009-06-19 10:17:08

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Thanks for the confirmation. I am glad to know this. big_smile big_smile big_smile


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#15 2009-06-19 15:44:44

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Re: Edit or create control points

[bo] wrote:

Regarding "pattern" images, those with similar features that can confuse APP, I gather a much better idea is a sort of drag-and-drop area where you kinda sort the images in a loose (or fixed) mesh/grid. There's a topic with similar proposal in the Future forum. That way you'll have a quick way to instruct APP what general placement the images have and there go the manual CPs...

The problem with "patterns" is that APP seems to look at a small area, but ignores the "big picture".  For example, vinyl siding on a house has many patterns that are the same. 

APP could use some sort of overall way to "sanity check" the stitch.  There are several methods to do this, one is  an edge finder. 

Another is to look for clusters of CPs.  An easy way to do this may be to look for peaks in the distribution of CPs -- visually, you can make an XY graph of CPs where X is the RMS and Y is the number of CPs with that RMS.  If you have one peak, the stitch is probably ok, but if you have two or more, there may be an issue with the CPs.  Also, the curve probably should look more or less like a normal curve (ideally, it would be a straight line at 0, but ...)  One disadvantage is that you need a lot of CPs for this to work right.

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