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#1 2009-02-05 21:19:22

Peter
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How to keep specific "moving" objects using smartblend?

Hello APP user,

I've made a pano with me in several positions. So i'm the moving object.

http://www.space.peterhuck.de/panos/htm … r_dom.html

To solve this problem I've made the background areas in every connected image transparent (alpha layer). This was a lot of work. Depending on the alpha layer areas I got some stitching problems.

Is there a better way to get a pano like this? Can I protect specific areas to be in the pano?

Thanks Peter


Canon IXUS 40 and CANON EOS 450D 28-55mm Lens and Panosaurus Panohead

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#2 2009-02-05 22:13:16

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Re: How to keep specific "moving" objects using smartblend?

Did you try it without any alpha layer using Smartblend?


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#3 2009-02-06 07:37:34

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Re: How to keep specific "moving" objects using smartblend?

Yes, in this case smartblend removes me 6 times, 2 times  half and 2 times are OK.

Peter


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#4 2009-02-06 10:50:43

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Re: How to keep specific "moving" objects using smartblend?

Peter,
What camera and lens did you use and how many shots etc?

It appears you may have managed to position yourself in the overlapping areas of the shots more often than not?

Last edited by mediavets (2009-02-06 11:49:41)


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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#5 2009-02-06 11:04:03

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Re: How to keep specific "moving" objects using smartblend?

Peter wrote:

Hello APP user,
Is there a better way to get a pano like this? Can I protect specific areas to be in the pano?

APP have a "Layers editor" accessible from the pano editor.

This is how I would use it for the kind of pano you describe:
- group all the background source images in a layer (you could change its name to background_layer if you wish)
- group all the other source images in an other layer (you could change its name to me_me_me_layer if you wish ;>)
When rendering the panorama, select the Embeded option and add %L to the output file name (in the example I used TIFF format but PSD or even JPEG with the One per file option are possible and often preferable.)

In the resulting multilayer file the "bottom" layer produced by Multiband or Smartblend is useless and to be ignored (alas, it's not possible to avoid it) but using any of the "multi-layer" capable image editor (PS, Gimp, etc) it is very easy to get the "photomontage" you want (see the corresponding chapter in Martin Evening's Adobe Photoshop for photographers for details.)

Main point: using a fuzzy mask rather than a precise and difficult to draw selection is the way to go  because the images in the two layers are aligned (provided the RMS is good enough.)

Using a multi-layer image for the APP output and a multi-layer capable image editor is both easy and powerful ! Few peoples do that but I believe this is because it's so powerful that they are afraid of this power...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photomontage
http://www.estorickcollection.com/exhib … _Paste.php


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#6 2009-02-06 17:26:17

Peter
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Re: How to keep specific "moving" objects using smartblend?

@ mediavets

This was my first pano with my new camera. A Canon EOS 450 D with the KIT lens 18-55mm (in this case 18mm). 80 shots. Maybe I've been in the overlapping area...

@ GURL

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I'll try to do it in this way. I'm a beginner in photomontage. I have some experience in Corel Photopaint. I'll try to use GIMP, because my Photopaint PNG files make some trouble with the alpha layer.

I've got a lot of homework to do smile keep you informed

Thanks

Peter


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