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#1 2008-11-03 15:32:58

Aeriscera
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APP thinks my pano is a 360 when it isn't. Bug?

Hello everyone.

Title says it all really. The pano is something like 180° and the left and right edges are nothing like each other. Initially the preview looked ok but there were some bad links which I fixed. When I optimised the pano APP (1.4.2/Linux) seems to have moved the centre to the left-hand edge and decided it is a 360 even though there are no links between the left and right edge images and it shows the pano with a large gap between the edges.

I can move the centre back to the ... er .. centre manually, but I'd like to know what the problem is.

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#2 2008-11-03 15:49:59

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Re: APP thinks my pano is a 360 when it isn't. Bug?

Were you shooting with the Gigapan Imager pano head?

How many images, how many rows and columns, how much overlap between images?

As I recall 1.4.2 centres panos on first shot in the sequence - which is what you are seeing I think?

Maybe it will be better with next Alpha of APG due month's end?

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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
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#3 2008-11-03 16:05:35

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Re: APP thinks my pano is a 360 when it isn't. Bug?

mediavets wrote:

Were you shooting with the Gigapan Imager pano head?

How many images, how many rows and columns, how much overlap between images?

LOL, no. I was using my Lego robot which fell apart half-way through the pano. It is shot in columns but the left and right halves have different numbers of rows, and on top of that the overlap is way, way too much.

360 images.

mediavets wrote:

As I recall 1.4.2 centres panos on first shot in the sequence - which is what you are seeing I think?

No, it centres on the centre. When I first stitched the pano APP got this right - sorry no screenshot.

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#4 2008-11-03 16:14:20

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Re: APP thinks my pano is a 360 when it isn't. Bug?

Aeriscera wrote:

mediavets wrote:

Were you shooting with the Gigapan Imager pano head?

How many images, how many rows and columns, how much overlap between images?

LOL, no. I was using my Lego robot which fell apart half-way through the pano. It is shot in columns but the left and right halves have different numbers of rows, and on top of that the overlap is way, way too much.

360 images.

mediavets wrote:

As I recall 1.4.2 centres panos on first shot in the sequence - which is what you are seeing I think?

No, it centres on the centre. When I first stitched the pano APP got this right - sorry no screenshot.

A

I'm out of ideas - other than that excessive overlap often seems to cause problems for APP's auto CP detection - sorry.

You do still have a Gigapan Imager pano head? Last I heard about it you'd sent the first one back for a replacement.

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Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#5 2008-11-03 16:23:39

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Re: APP thinks my pano is a 360 when it isn't. Bug?

Thanks for your help anyway.

mediavets wrote:

You do still have a Gigapan Imager pano head? Last I heard about it you'd sent the first one back for a replacement.

Oh sure! They replaced it within two days (from Ohio) for free and with no questions asked. I am now 100% involved in gigapanography (as I call it). This shot has been in the top 10 for over two weeks, and I have more panos with explore scores of over 100 than anyone else.

Aeris

PS At gigapan I am known as "Kilgore661".

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#6 2008-11-03 16:40:30

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Re: APP thinks my pano is a 360 when it isn't. Bug?

Aeriscera wrote:

Thanks for your help anyway.

mediavets wrote:

You do still have a Gigapan Imager pano head? Last I heard about it you'd sent the first one back for a replacement.

Oh sure! They replaced it within two days (from Ohio) for free and with no questions asked. I am now 100% involved in gigapanography (as I call it). This shot has been in the top 10 for over two weeks, and I have more panos with explore scores of over 100 than anyone else.

Aeris

PS At gigapan I am known as "Kilgore661".

So you are very happy with ten Gigapano Imager pano head and would recommend it to others?

Which camera are you using on it now?

Are you now mostly using the Gigapan stitcher rather than APP?

Last edited by mediavets (2008-11-03 16:43:22)


Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Nodal Ninja 4 with R-D16, Agno's MrotatorTCS short.
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket, Agno's MrotatorA.
Merlin/Orion robotic pano head + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800/N810 and Windows 8/XP/2K.

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#7 2008-11-03 17:37:09

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Re: APP thinks my pano is a 360 when it isn't. Bug?

Well, I have no experience of any other pano head, robotic or otherwise (apart from the Lego thing obviously). Generally speaking I'd say it does what it says on the box. Very easy to use, works with many (if not most) compact cameras and some bridges like my Sony DSC-H7. It can be made to work with smaller DSLRs but it was not designed for this, and it requires some skill to get everything working.

Yes, I am very happy with it. It's cheap and basic so that means it is accessible. Whether a pro would use it is another matter. Someone described it as "like a toy" compared I think to the Merlin. It's definitely not a toy even if it looks like one.

Incidentally, if you or others are interested you can simply buy one now - you don't have to be invited to apply to buy one any more! If you are in the UK watch out for the £56 import duty - ouch!

Re stitchers, the GP stitcher is only any good if your photos don't need pre-processing. You can post-process the image but there are problems with this, so APP/APG are definitely preferable on that count. On the other hand the GP stitcher is to be preferred on the grounds that it works. All the time. Give it as many files as you like and provided you have the memory/disk space and it just works. This is not my experience of APP and certainly not of APG. It is a constant source of frustration that I have to stitch using one version of AP[PG], switch operating systems and program/version to do the editing, then yet another version to do the rendering. Madness.

Having said that, I must say the Linux version of APG rocks as a large-group stitcher. I am regularly using it for panos with 1000+ images.

A

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