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so, I've got this three image pano - beach, looking a sunrise with bride and groom (actually a dozen of these panos to do). There was a slight movement of the subjects between shots and of course, what we all love, waves. So, I mark the mask red and green (dropped spots over the couple), hit the green check and try to stitch. If I use cutting, with the slider to ghost side - I get a nice clean couple of I use cutting to the long focal side - I get no double couple. Pretty much anything else other than cut+ghost, I get ghosting on the couple. I need to use a lot of mixing to get the waves to blend. I just figured that the masking would work no matter how the other settings are - apparently, masking only works when Cutting+ghost. True? At this point, my only solution is to output images with the pano, then use PS to put a clean copy of the couple back into the pano.
Second question: There are blend settings in Preview and in Preferences - which don't appear to be in sync. Are Blend settings in Preview only used for Preview or are they used for render to - or are the one in Preferences? Its not clear, but from practice seems to be the ones in preferences (that is what seems to be saved in the file). But if the whole idea of Preview is to see what the final looks like - shouldn't the Preview settings be used for Render - or am I missing something?
Also - I really like this program, but I've not made a dime off my pano's yet - and 99E upgrade price? That's rough. I just had to buy DX0 to deal with vignetting and fisheye lenses. If I have to do manual masking in PS, I'll be thinking long and hard about upgrading. The other changes are nice, but they aren't 99E nice.
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mgg
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mgg wrote:
so, I've got this three image pano - beach, looking a sunrise with bride and groom (actually a dozen of these panos to do). There was a slight movement of the subjects between shots and of course, what we all love, waves. So, I mark the mask red and green (dropped spots over the couple), hit the green check and try to stitch. If I use cutting, with the slider to ghost side - I get a nice clean couple of I use cutting to the long focal side - I get no double couple. Pretty much anything else other than cut+ghost, I get ghosting on the couple. I need to use a lot of mixing to get the waves to blend. I just figured that the masking would work no matter how the other settings are - apparently, masking only works when Cutting+ghost. True? At this point, my only solution is to output images with the pano, then use PS to put a clean copy of the couple back into the pano.
Yes, if you don't use cut, it doesn't use mask.
mgg wrote:
Second question: There are blend settings in Preview and in Preferences - which don't appear to be in sync. Are Blend settings in Preview only used for Preview or are they used for render to - or are the one in Preferences? Its not clear, but from practice seems to be the ones in preferences (that is what seems to be saved in the file). But if the whole idea of Preview is to see what the final looks like - shouldn't the Preview settings be used for Render - or am I missing something?
The quick preview ( the green Q letter ) is exactly what you have at rendering. The settings that you can adjust in this mode with affects the output produced and can be modified in that tool or in rendering dialog box ( same settings ).
In main windows, you have all settings but these are global default settings : if you change something there, any new panorama will start with these values as default values.
mgg wrote:
Also - I really like this program, but I've not made a dime off my pano's yet - and 99E upgrade price? That's rough. I just had to buy DX0 to deal with vignetting and fisheye lenses. If I have to do manual masking in PS, I'll be thinking long and hard about upgrading. The other changes are nice, but they aren't 99E nice.
If you already have autopano pro, the upgrade price is 39€ only. All details are given here : http://www.kolor.com/updates.html
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ok, getting used to the new interface, I've found more of the bits.
I still have an issue with this particular set of pictures which I imagine are outside the scope of APG. When shooting beach panos - there is a constantly changing wave background which either needs a lot of manual photoshopping afterward or needs a lot of blending. using a lot of blending seems to mean the anti-ghosting doesn't work, even when I use the masking. I have three overlapping shots - I put red dots on the parts I don't want in two of them, green on the third and i still get ghosting. If I pre-edit in photoshop with alpha mask, it works out fine. I've attached an example of two shots. I've tried a dozen perturbations of settings. Anything that removes the ghosting on the couples, leaves sharp discontinuities in the waves. Anything that reasonably blends the waves leaves ghosting on the couple even with masking. Am I still doing something wrong?
Last edited by mgg (2012-07-13 17:01:34)
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well. waves you cant control...
so shoot them when feelling they are on same position... they do come cyclic... this can still cause troubles...
but it would absolute help if the oject which must have CPs does not move (the couple)
and it would absolutley help if the angle from camera AND distance from camera to object does not vary - which in both cases in your images is the case.
so tripod and keeping NPP in optimum position is also here advantageous.
Georg
Last edited by gkaefer (2012-07-13 17:40:26)
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APG anti-ghost will be very efficient if a real good solution exists.
In your sample APG is able to keep one couple without cutting throw. And you can choose the couple you want with V3 anti-ghost markers.
For the waves, the perfect transition does not exist. A smooth transition can be better but it not compatible with anti-ghost which makes binary choices.
You can try to export 2 panoramas, one with anti-ghost preset and one with simple preset and keep the best part of each panorama with Photoshop.
Or export with anti-ghost preset and add pictures in exported data. Individuals pictures can be used for smoothing waves transitions in Photoshop.
In all cases, Photoshop is needed to have a very good visual transition on the waves. My propositions are may be simplest than pre-edition.
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dont laugh...
you could try to find a fake solution by using software creating artificial waves:
sorry - only did find a german language version, but google translator shoudl give a usable translation...:
basic info, demo downlod etc.:
http://www.franzis.de/bildbearbeitung/h … ffects-3.0
a webversion of a recently sent mailing newsletter (with some more screenshots, also about waves):
http://pixxsel.franzis.de/ov?mailing=1V … JE1-V0SFUH
I did not try it myself until now, so I cant state if its only a playing tool or really usable...
(I use the cutout and the photozoom tools from same series, and these are woth the small money...)
Georg
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In the end, I used Photoshop to mask out duplicated images. I still had some issues, because areas masked out, would show through without any blending. I was using multi blend, level 0 with no cutting. The end result was that it blended the sets of waves together - but with the soft light - it looked fine. On render, I have to create the images as well as the pano - then did a bit of touchup between the individual images and the final pano. Rather time consuming, but as far as I could find, the only way to do it. 
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mgg
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