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#1 2012-03-26 05:20:09

360Kolor
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Auckland Skyline

I appreciate your honest feedback. Thank you.
http://www.auckland-skyline.co.nz

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#2 2012-03-26 11:40:07

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Re: Auckland Skyline

360Kolor wrote:

I appreciate your honest feedback. Thank you.
http://www.auckland-skyline.co.nz

absolute - I like it!
in special your elegant solution embedding the social sharing ;-) simple & perfect.
I also like that tumbnails are opended and on top placed - but the pulldownmenu so is covered... on bottom left would be free place
The only I less like is the pulsing default spot. You did invest manpower in an individual menubar... why not creating an fitting hotspot (maybe less nervous blinkgin) e.g. in design of your fullscreenbutton?

the link to the 6am/foggy pano is great, sunshine looking to fog and follwoing the link going to a fog pano. perfect continuity ;-)

I suppore you did bracketing... why not doing each shot with same settings tripple... and using tools like oloneo or others to raise sharpness or denoising (in maximum pano zoom level)
Liebe Grüße,
Georg

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#3 2012-03-26 22:06:17

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Re: Auckland Skyline

Hi Georg,
You also confirm what a friend of mine told me before (e.g. blinking hotspots). To use the design of the full screen button is a good idea.

I was hiding the pull-down menu since I didn't won't to have to many information visible on the front page. Besides I don't like that the pull-down menu shows only a part of the text. Do you know if there is a way to define the length of the pull down menu and the background colour?

I did take bracketing photos. But at that time my virtual machine had not enough memory to run oloneo with triple panos. I tried to use oloneo for the partial panorama photographs, but then app is not able to stitch them properly. Maybe further down the track when I will extend the Auckland tour I will compile them again.

Viele Grüße aus Auckland,
Dirk

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#4 2012-03-26 22:36:04

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Re: Auckland Skyline

360Kolor wrote:

Hi Georg, you also confirm what a friend of mine told me before (e.g. blinking hotspots). I did take bracketing photos. But at that time my virtual machine had not enough memory to run oloneo with triple panos. I tried to use oloneo for the partial panorama photographs, but then app is not able to stitch them properly. Maybe further down the track when I will extend the Auckland tour I will compile them again.
Viele Grüße aus Auckland, Dirk

Hi Dirk,

i rather thought about following workflow:

shooting (from each single shot you took) 3-5 images with absolute same settings (focal,exposure,wb etc.) and each of this set I would merge to one sharper/denoising in oloneo.
than you get your set of 3 bracketed images.
I would do the bracketing with photomatrix (I have oloneo, but didnt use it until now - because photomatix can handle ghosts much better).
so you get four final set of images to create one layer in autopano. so you also can avoid needing more resources for RAM,CPU etc.
Alternativley I would also give autopano a try to load the bracketed images into stacks.
dont to forget to copy the exif data from your +-0 imageset and apply it to the final created set of images. (ExifToolGUI can do this in seconds)
...its timeconsuming thats clear - but less hardware intensive.

Liebe Gruesse,
Georg

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#5 2012-03-27 08:48:02

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Re: Auckland Skyline

Hi Georg,

Thanks for your workflow suggestions, which I really would like to try out. But I didn't quite understand the description on how to obtain the 3 bracketing images with photomatix. The way I understood it is:
1) take 5 identical photos in a row with bracketing settings
2) merge 5 photos with the same settings (e.g. only the +2 ones, then +/-0, then -2) in oloneo and enhance sharpness/reduce denoising and export it to a final image (hdr, tif format) ?
3) process photos with photomatix - don't understand why (I am not familiar with photomatix)
4) load all images (4x3) into app to ceate final panorama
5) copy exif data from one single +/- 0 image into final panorama (what is the reason behind this?)

Thanks for your help.
Dirk

PS: Loading the bracketed images in autopano into stacks is my normal workflow. After that I usually combine 3 brackets in oloneo.

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#6 2012-03-27 12:14:50

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Re: Auckland Skyline

Hi Dirk,

I suggested 2 solutions combined.
first creating enough images to obrain more sharpness or reduced noise. To achieve this take from each shot you're taking 3-5 images. Dont change Camera settings for the images, same wb,same exposue time, same focal length, same aperture.
so you create 3-5 identical images. The trick is they are never identical. Oloneo can take the 3-5 images and make one image with reduced noise.

now you can combine the above with the bracketing... so do the above for the -2, the 0 and final for the +2 image.
now you get 3 bracket images you can handle in photomatix (but also in oloneo) for creating bracketed images, or if you like also HDRI or even HDR images. the 3 brackets get reduced to one single image (per pano position).

these pano images can now loaded into autopano...

or you can load the 3 bracketed images directly into autopano to create a stack before detecting the pano...

so lets assume a fisheye pano where 6 images for the sphere and 1 image for the nadir is needed:

5 images for denoising x 3 bracketed images x 7 pano positions = 105 images in total needed.

To be honest the extra step to create increased denoising is less interesting when
100% sunshine panos are shot like in your case ;-) in combination with less focal length, because user finally do not zoom into the pano to deep.
But the fog pano, and also in sunset/sunrise panos, night panos, >85mm focal etc this extrawork gives you extra result.

PS: lol - if you would do a macro pano than you could add one more step, doing focusstacking so factor 5-10x images ;-))

Liebe Gruesse,
Georg

PS: how is your experience with using 3 layered single pano images to load them into oloneo. Is there not the danger of non overlapping areas because of non identical stitched panos? Did not try it myself really... the 1-2 test I did were not really good...

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#7 2012-03-27 20:57:27

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Re: Auckland Skyline

Hi Georg,

Now everything falls into place. Next time I do a pano inside with bad light conditions I will apply your workflow. But for the macro focus-stacking I have to wait till I retire not knowing what to do with my time. By then I might also have better computer power. wink

Using 3 layered single pano images with oloneo works fine for me. But it requires that the nadir is also taken with bracketing shots. Usually I would take a hand held nadir without the tripod and bracketing. But that will show colour mismatch and noise in the final hdr panorama.

Viele Grüße,
Dirk

PS: I might post an example by the end of the week.

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