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#1 2012-01-28 13:40:43

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Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

Hi!

I have big expectation to the APG versiom 2.6.1, after reading that You are decided to develop comletely new blender to solve the blending problems.
Because of unkown reason today I did not may to find that sentence in the description of version 2.6.1. Did I have imagination?

But my experiences are not positive also this time. See on  the picture:

http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/APG261_blending_not_so_good_as_in_209..jpg

Hopefully I do not have to explain. on the picture is shown zenith area of the panorama.

I do not think that level of result is that You would like to reach.

And first of all is not that quality level, which is expected from the software having ambitions to be leading panorama software. Or I am wrong having expectation on the higher level than the Autopano Giga is able to give at several latest versions?

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#2 2012-01-28 14:55:23

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

zbigi wrote:

I do not think that level of result is that You would like to reach.

Right. And it´s not the level of results what you get when you´re doing things right. tongue cool

You need to have an exactly 2:1 image to avoid such issues. You definitely don´t have that.
To get it you have to shoot (!) a full sphere using a pano-head.

Can you post the whole image please so that we can see the dimensions - and show the editor-settings regarding the stitch?

best, Klaus

Let me say it this way: the problem here definitely is not in the software . . . wink wink


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#3 2012-01-28 15:46:00

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

klausesser wrote:

...You need to have an exactly 2:1 image to avoid such issues. You definitely don´t have that...

Sorry, Klaus, but the problematic image has of course 2:1 relation of with and height. Exactly: 12510px x 6255px.
There is the image (I have only converted TIFF o JPG). Sorry for not to interesting image, its not my picture. It is a panorama stitched for one of my coleagues.

http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/pano1.jpg

The settings:

http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/settings.jpg

The pano file is to download from here: http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/[Group 1]-DSC01185_DSC01196-12 images.pano

By the way. Klaus, I know the basics of the panorama knowledges. Please believe me. You may check it viewing my works - if You likie - on my website, on viewat.org and on the 360cities.net.,

klausesser wrote:

...Let me say it this way: the problem here definitely is not in the software . . .

I am not so much sure as You.

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#4 2012-01-28 16:57:13

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

zbigi wrote:

By the way. Klaus, I know the basics of the panorama knowledges.

That´s fine. Then you know that this issue looks typical for incorrect proportions and not for a blending-problem.
That´s because in PanoTouPro - with which you generated your Zenith image i guess - no blending tooks place at all.

Do you have this issue with your own panos also?

best, Klaus

P.S.: did you retouch the sky in any way?

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#5 2012-01-28 17:11:12

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

zbigi wrote:

It is a panorama stitched for one of my coleagues.

So i think that your collegue didn´t align his set properly: besides of several offsets in the pano you can realize in the Nadir that his head´s footprint is asymmetrical.
That indicates he didn´t match the NPP exactly.

In the meaning of the issue this might be the reason. The sky shows a fading of several different density - and if there is minor mismatch  some fading in the middle of the Zenith maybe uneven.
This could result in exactly that issue.

Do you have this issue with any of your own images too you did with the latest version of APG?

best, Klaus


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#6 2012-01-28 17:41:04

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

Thanks, Klaus, for Your answer.

klausesser wrote:

zbigi wrote:

It is a panorama stitched for one of my coleagues.

... Nadir that his head´s footprint is asymmetrical.
That indicates he didn´t match the NPP exactly.

In the meaning of the issue this might be the reason. The sky shows a fading of several different density...

You are right concerning the setting of the NPP. I am fully agree with You.

But I don't think, You are right concerning the sky-blue. As You for sure know, the paralax for  more distant object is not nociteable and You can forget about paralax for that objects. There are the people making panos from free hand and for sure You have seen such made panoramas. Are You noticed the "cone effect" on the sky on such panoramas! That would be a contradiction of the theory of parallax.
A general Question: whats for ist the blending implemented in stitchers, if not also for that reason: to blend the shades in the adjacent zones?

The version 2.6.1 I have downloaded just one or thre days ago, and I did not stitched any from my own panos containg claean blue sky. If I do some test with my pown pictures I let to know about it.

Generally: I have a filling that the problem I have signalized a few months ago is not interesting to much anyone expect of You. Especially is not interesting the developers of Autopano. Isn't it?

Or they are knowing that in that point they did not  make any progress and therefore the item about new blending module has been remooved from the description of the version 2.6.1.

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#7 2012-01-28 17:53:01

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

zbigi wrote:

But I don't think, You are right concerning the sky-blue. As You for sure know, the paralax for  more distant object is not nociteable and You can forget about paralax for that objects.

Right. But that´s a different thing. I meant the color-grades. It´s obvious in my eyes that the issue is very minimal - that indicates a color-issue rather than a geometrical one. But a color-issue very well can result (!) from a geometrical one.

zbigi wrote:

There are the people making panos from free hand and for sure You have seen such made panoramas. Are You noticed the "cone effect" on the sky on such panoramas! That would be a contradiction of the theory of parallax.
A general Question: whats for ist the blending implemented in stitchers, if not also for that reason: to blend the shades in the adjacent zones?

You issue relates to the borders of the images. They are "folded" together in PanpTourPro - not in AutoPano. If the colors along the borders are not completely matching you´ll get such an issue - which looks loke a geometrical issue at first glance.

zbigi wrote:

The version 2.6.1 I have downloaded just one or thre days ago, and I did not stitched any from my own panos. If I do some test with my pown pictures I let to know about it.

Take an existing one you already did without issues!

zbigi wrote:

Generally: I have a filling that the problem I have signalized a few months ago is not interesting to much anyone expect of You. Especially is not interesting the developers of Autopano. Isn't it?

These guys have a lot to do these days!

And honestly: this is not a software issue! Guess that´s why the answers rare . . wink

best, Klaus

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#8 2012-01-28 18:51:14

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

klausesser wrote:

...You issue relates to the borders of the images. They are "folded" together in PanpTourPro - not in AutoPano...

I am not using at those picture Pnotour. It all test have been made using DevalVR viewer. Could it be a problem this software? I have to make some tests. This program will never have disappointed me.

klausesser wrote:

...that´s why the answers rare . . wink

And if the even answer the tip was: the dimension of the panorama shoul be a power of two, that means - according that rule - width of panorama should be in pixels 2^something, for instance  s^23=8388608 or  2^24=16777216. You should not have panorama with width (just one example) of 12000px.

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#9 2012-01-28 20:28:07

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

zbigi wrote:

I am not using at those picture Pnotour. It all test have been made using DevalVR viewer. Could it be a problem this software? I have to make some tests. This program will never have disappointed me.

I tested your image in PanoTourPro - same issue as you can see in my screenshot. It´s in the image. Along the long side above.

The color is a bit uneven here when the image is "wrapped" around the sphere and the sphere is "closed" in the Zenith.

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#10 2012-01-28 22:34:59

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

Klaus, many thanks for Your investigation. I am doing another  things important in that moment, therefore I am not able to participate enough deeply in investigating the problem at that moment. Sorry for that.
A you mentioned, perhaps the problem is because the Autopano giga is not discovering the focal length of the lens properly? The pictures has been taken with Sony Nex + 16 mm lens equiped with oryginal Sony fisheye adapter. According my knowledges that adapter is changing the lens focal length with the factor 0.62, what is meaning that the effective focal length is equal 9.92. If the value calculated by the Autopano program (which is - as I know - trying independently to find the best  focal length value)  will be different, AP can wrap the picture a little bit ot the top? Perhaps You are right. I noticed also that a one large building on the panorama has a concave roof line instead of straight, what confirms Your supposition about wrapping.

I will try to stitch the images again with the different focal length declared and maybe tha will give bestter result?

Thank You again, Klaus, for your interest and conclusions.


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#11 2012-01-28 22:45:52

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

zbigi wrote:

A you mentioned, perhaps the problem is because the Autopano giga is not discovering the focal length of the lens properly?

In that case you unlikely would have get an exact 2:1 pixelratio i guess.

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#12 2012-01-28 22:58:06

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

Iteresting is, that the program itself have given for that output (equirectangular) picture this 2:1 dimensions ratio.

I am not having any idea at that moment how should I  stitch such pictures to rach a 'normal" result. I did force the dimension of the panoram.
Actually I have had In the settings (tab Panorama, group Panorama layout): Preferred projection: Automatic, Preferred Extend: Maximum projection range.
Meybe it will better to set explicit Preffered projection as Spherical?

I had not any problems with my canon pictures.

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#13 2012-01-29 00:39:58

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

zbigi wrote:

I will try to stitch the images again with the different focal length declared and maybe tha will give bestter result?

Check also that the lens type is set to fisheye.


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#14 2012-01-29 23:51:35

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

The lens type has been set as fisheye, of course.


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#15 2012-01-30 11:55:45

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

We did our job and solved the bug on the other panorama you had reported to us ( issue 597, 1085, quoted in this post : http://www.kolor.com/forum/t11316-ap-2. … a?id=11316 ). This has been done and the sample that you sent us works now perfectly ( it was a blending issue around 360°, left or right edge ).

This post here is another issue about blend on the nadir zenith. So, again, provide us the images and we'll look at them to see what can be done. Issue 1138 opened

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#16 2012-01-31 19:51:39

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

Hello!

Sorry for perhaps to late answer, but I was busy with important task and I have rare looked on that forum.

The TIF pictures (copressed) in ZIP Archive is huge: about 0,5 GB. Therefore I have not decided to upload that file trough my 4 MBps link  and I have ziped the JPG's, (having the same content), with hope that they can be heplpful for diagnosing the problem.

Source pictures are accessible to download form that link: http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/ap_error/DSC01188.ZIP

The pictures have been taken with Sony Nex camer with 16 mm lens + Sony Fishe eye converter (x 0.62), thea means effecti focal lens (nomianly) is 9.92 mm.

Here http://www.panoguide.com/forums/qna/9196/ it is explained, that the converting factor of the Sony fish eye attachement is simply not true. It should be used a factor of 0.64, but I did not know about it duriing stitching those pictures. As I know AP is calculating proper focal length themselves (?).

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#17 2012-01-31 20:34:28

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

zbigi wrote:

The pictures have been taken with Sony Nex camer with 16 mm lens + Sony Fishe eye converter (x 0.62), thea means effecti focal lens (nomianly) is 9.92 mm.

Here http://www.panoguide.com/forums/qna/9196/ it is explained, that the converting factor of the Sony fish eye attachement is simply not true. It should be used a factor of 0.64, but I did not know about it duriing stitching those pictures. As I know AP is calculating proper focal length themselves (?).

CONVERTER? How would any application calculate that? The manufacturers would have to provide exact parameters therefore! Afaik they don´t.
Fisheye distortions are not linear - especially when a converter is used.

Sorry: this is a not-so-good combination. Try PTGu - i bet it can´t do better.

best, Klaus


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#18 2012-01-31 20:37:54

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

zbigi wrote:

The pictures have been taken with Sony Nex camer with 16 mm lens + Sony Fishe eye converter (x 0.62), thea means effecti focal lens (nomianly) is 9.92 mm.

Regarding the use of a converter the result is brilliant!

I downloaded your pics an will try.

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#19 2012-01-31 20:55:12

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

zbigi wrote:

Source pictures are accessible to download form that link: http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/ap_error/DSC01188.ZIP

Download it here:

http://www.s341703522.online.de/Pan.zip

best, Klaus

P.S.: i didn´t care for the Nadir. You can see a remaining distortion in the grey building (unless it´s really curved . . )

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#20 2012-01-31 22:06:28

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

Thanks, Klaus!
Your result is fully satisfied.
That is meaning, that perhaps  I've made a mistake somewhere. But I don't know where...
My version is here: http://fotopano.pl/katowice/.
Thanks for demostration of Your knowledges. I am really impressed.
But believe me, I have in the matter of fact met difficulties with the sky blue area. And I have done everything the same way as usual.
In my oppinion tere is in fact a problem withe the blender...
I have asked the people living in Katowice and I know, that the building which seems to be concave is realy not flat!


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#21 2012-01-31 22:10:48

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Re: Autopano 2.6.1 - blending errors

zbigi wrote:

I have asked the people living in Katowice and I know, that the building which seems to be concave is realy not flat!

Oops! cool ok, good to hear in terms of the lens big_smile

best, Klaus


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