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#1 2011-09-18 14:38:53

gkaefer
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rendering only some marked details of a bigger pano to verify CP error

sometimes I ran into a dilemma taking a lot of time

following scenario: imagine a pano shot with 85mm lens with 78x5 bracket images on a FOV of 180x40 (3three rows a 26 imageposition with 5 brackets =390 images)

1. if you render at 5-10 percent its horrible fast and in general such rendering is sufficient to verify. But stiching errors like steeples you cant detect, at 10% its looking perfect at 100% rendered you see the steeple 5m misaligned.
2. so you can go to 30% rendering in hope you can verify your CP corrections are giving the desierd correction, but 30%-100% renderings than take 1-5 hours - a timeconsuming process...

my wish herefore would be a tool/option in APG where I can define an area of my pano I want to render with 5-100% of outputsize. Hereby I could render some parts of my pano to verify if stiching errors are corrected at 100% and when satisfied I could render 100% of my pano at 100% of outputsize...

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Georg

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#2 2011-09-18 20:40:06

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Re: rendering only some marked details of a bigger pano to verify CP error

Could you not crop (to) the area you wish to render, and then having started the render go back in the history to undo the crop?


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#3 2011-09-18 21:22:04

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Re: rendering only some marked details of a bigger pano to verify CP error

Have a zoom function on my idea of a seperate preview window http://www.kolor.com/forum/t13052-preview-window-editor
and you are done.


Regards,  Hans Keesom
I stitch and render for other photographers see http://tinyurl.com/brxvlhg for details

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#4 2011-09-23 11:15:12

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Re: rendering only some marked details of a bigger pano to verify CP error

mediavets wrote:

Could you not crop (to) the area you wish to render, and then having started the render go back in the history to undo the crop?

Can I? did not try it. but my fear is with 300 images or more crop&history could be slow with danger of loosing my pano...
Georg

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#5 2011-09-23 11:22:04

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Re: rendering only some marked details of a bigger pano to verify CP error

HansKeesom wrote:

Have a zoom function on my idea of a seperate preview window http://www.kolor.com/forum/t13052-preview-window-editor
and you are done.

Pessimist as i am... The current preview and the render result are two different pair of shoes, it can be very challenging with current engine to get render that looks like preview...
So your suggestion is ok if the current preview would always reflect the final render...

Georg

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#6 2011-09-23 11:52:13

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Re: rendering only some marked details of a bigger pano to verify CP error

We will introduce a first version of this concept in beta 4.

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#7 2011-09-23 12:02:35

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Re: rendering only some marked details of a bigger pano to verify CP error

gkaefer wrote:

HansKeesom wrote:

Have a zoom function on my idea of a seperate preview window http://www.kolor.com/forum/t13052-preview-window-editor
and you are done.

Pessimist as i am... The current preview and the render result are two different pair of shoes, it can be very challenging with current engine to get render that looks like preview...
So your suggestion is ok if the current preview would always reflect the final render...

Georg

Having graduated from University on imaging, long time ago though, I am pretty sure this is impossible to get 100% right. There will always be differences, otherwise the speed difference would not be so big. That s why I pledge for a preview that is automaticly going on if there are no changes in the editor, shower better and better result over time.


Regards,  Hans Keesom
I stitch and render for other photographers see http://tinyurl.com/brxvlhg for details

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#8 2011-09-23 13:45:28

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Re: rendering only some marked details of a bigger pano to verify CP error

To HansKeesom :
your mail box is full, I cannot asnwer directly to you.

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#9 2011-09-23 14:23:02

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Re: rendering only some marked details of a bigger pano to verify CP error

HansKeesom wrote:

gkaefer wrote:

HansKeesom wrote:

Have a zoom function on my idea of a seperate preview window http://www.kolor.com/forum/t13052-preview-window-editor
and you are done.

Pessimist as i am... The current preview and the render result are two different pair of shoes, it can be very challenging with current engine to get render that looks like preview...
So your suggestion is ok if the current preview would always reflect the final render...

Georg

Having graduated from University on imaging, long time ago though, I am pretty sure this is impossible to get 100% right. There will always be differences, otherwise the speed difference would not be so big. That s why I pledge for a preview that is automaticly going on if there are no changes in the editor, shower better and better result over time.

ok got it. but my problem is much more basic... I very often have an excellent preview, sky and water elements in perfect skin... and in final render result I've an mosaic of several bluetones...
so as Alexandre did mention it here and on another thread too in beta 4 a new "preview rendering engine" will solve this...
... you got the point ;-) not having bad previews and random good render results I'm struggling with but excellent previews and random bad and with really many tries and errors figuring out the fitting options getting acceptable or again real good render results...

Im confident the kolor team can do it ;-)

to combine your and mine focus... why not having an option lets say I can mark an areas on the pano preview (free, square, quadrat, circles etc.) and this marked
area get opened in an new editor window where the area is getting previewed (online preview of render result of this area) in more and more details as you suggested. In this way I could avoid rendering all pano taking long time to find out if one small church peak has some ghosts or is rendered perfectly....

Georg

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