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#1 2011-02-20 12:25:14

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AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

It seems to me that somewhere I read about it (maybe even on this forum), but now I can not find it.

In version 2.0.9 Autopano there was no problem with connecting the left and right edges of the panorama. After generating the relevant files to the player it was not possible to notice the place where the left and right edges are joined together.

Yesterday I lost whole day on trying many times to generate only one panorama with Autopano Giga 2.5. I inform You just now, that I have already stitched a number of panoramas using the version of AP Giga and have not noticed that phenomenon, which I describing below. I made many attempts, because every time on the place where left and right edge of equirectangular panorama it was very clear to see the tone difference in the color of the sky, which should be exactly the same on left and right side of the line, along which the edges have been joined together.

For test purposes I have stitched the same images (nearly the same way) with Autopano Giga 2.0.9. As a result I have obtained the equirectangular picture, which have not containing that error.

I attach the screenshots from the preliminary test panorama with DevalVR player.

The panoramas prepared for the krpano player are located here:
http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/ap_error/pano_AP2.5.html - version made in the Autopano Giga 2.5 - the lens flares are retouched, but the error have looked out exactly the same before retouching flares,
http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/ap_error/pano_AP2.0.9.html - version of Autopano Giga made in 2.0.9 - completely not retouched, the erroris  invisible.

Probably previously made with 2.5 Autopano panorama also contained the same error, but did not throw it in the eye.

Has anyone come across this prolemem? Or maybe you know how to remove it?

I am allowing to download also pano file saved with Autopano Giga 2.5. It is here: http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/ap_error/G … mages.pano

The source images are accessible here:
http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/ap_error/source_images.zip


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#2 2011-02-20 12:46:43

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

zbigi wrote:

The source images are accessible here:
http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/ap_error/source_images.zip

This URL does not appear to be valid?


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#3 2011-02-20 12:55:47

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

The link is valid, but the file is just uploaded. In few minutes, most probably in  quarter an hour, the Zip file will be accessible. Sorry for inconenience.

[edit 13:08 Warsaw Time]
The zip file is ready to download.

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#4 2011-02-21 11:04:29

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

Issue 597 opened

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#5 2011-02-21 16:22:15

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

We have detect something for improving the result in your case, but you can already have a better result by changing the rendered width.

We have an approximation on 360 multiband rendering if the width is not dividable by 2 on each level. In other word, with the current version, you can have a perfect result if the width is a power of 2 (you can try with 8196) and a good enough result if the width is dividable by 2 on more than 1 level (I try with a width of 11200)

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#6 2011-02-21 21:11:14

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

Thanks for suggestions concerning panorama size.

But I probably do not understand everything from the explanation correctly. I have supposed, that the width of panorama is the value calculated by Autopano based on size of pictures used to stitch them into panorama, therefore I should not choose it arbitrarily by hand.
Am I wrong?

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#7 2011-02-22 11:12:39

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

You are correct. However, Renan supposes to try a workaround for your issue/problem, by inputing by hand a value for the width which is a power of 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_of_t … ers_of_two


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#8 2011-02-22 12:19:13

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

zbigi wrote:

It seems to me that somewhere I read about it (maybe even on this forum), but now I can not find it.

In version 2.0.9 Autopano there was no problem with connecting the left and right edges of the panorama. After generating the relevant files to the player it was not possible to notice the place where the left and right edges are joined together.

Yesterday I lost whole day on trying many times to generate only one panorama with Autopano Giga 2.5. I inform You just now, that I have already stitched a number of panoramas using the version of AP Giga and have not noticed that phenomenon, which I describing below. I made many attempts, because every time on the place where left and right edge of equirectangular panorama it was very clear to see the tone difference in the color of the sky, which should be exactly the same on left and right side of the line, along which the edges have been joined together.

For test purposes I have stitched the same images (nearly the same way) with Autopano Giga 2.0.9. As a result I have obtained the equirectangular picture, which have not containing that error.

I attach the screenshots from the preliminary test panorama with DevalVR player.

The panoramas prepared for the krpano player are located here:
http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/ap_error/pano_AP2.5.html - version made in the Autopano Giga 2.5 - the lens flares are retouched, but the error have looked out exactly the same before retouching flares,
http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/ap_error/pano_AP2.0.9.html - version of Autopano Giga made in 2.0.9 - completely not retouched, the erroris  invisible.

Probably previously made with 2.5 Autopano panorama also contained the same error, but did not throw it in the eye.

Has anyone come across this prolemem? Or maybe you know how to remove it?

I am allowing to download also pano file saved with Autopano Giga 2.5. It is here: http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/ap_error/G … mages.pano

The source images are accessible here:
http://fotopano.pl/testfiles/ap_error/source_images.zip

Hi!
Sorry, i didn´t read it all - but:

Looks like you simply have one darker and one brighter end of the equirectangular image. Did you work it over in Photoshop or so?
A way might be: convert it to cube-faces and see where the line occurs. Then retouch the face so that there´s no borders of lighter/darker areas where the two ends meet.

best, Klaus

P.S.: use ColorCorrection to equalize darker and brighter areas.

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#9 2011-02-22 20:13:03

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

Klaus! Vielen Dank für Deine Tips.

klausesser wrote:

...Looks like you simply have one darker and one brighter end of the equirectangular image. Did you work it over in Photoshop or so?...

I know why the defference is visible. It is of course because the gridhtness of  left and right edge of equirectangular image are not equal one to another. That was the reason, I have written my first post in that tread on that forum.

If I have been worked on the image in Photoshop or other editor, I will never take the valuable time of Autopano forum  member, because the effect will be probably because of the errors during editing. But Im 100% sure, the reason is malfunction of the new blender, not on my side.

klausesser wrote:

...A way might be: convert it to cube-faces and see where the line occurs. Then retouch the face so that there´s no borders of lighter/darker areas where the two ends meet.
...
use ColorCorrection to equalize darker and brighter areas.

Of course I will to retouche the error area with picture editor, I am using, but I only would like to signalize the Autopano developers, that not everything is OK with the newest version of the blender.

Asking about the way to remove the error effect I have had a hope, that somebody will able to show me what I am (eventually) doing wrong and how to force the blender to work proper way.

Sorry, but I did not reached the success using Collor correction in Autopano 2.5.

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#10 2011-02-22 20:24:07

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

zbigi wrote:

. . but I only would like to signalize the Autopano developers, that not everything is OK with the newest version of the blender.

I doubt that´s the point here. I use it every day - the only time i had such an ussue was when i accidently had the left end darker than the right end by retouching lights and shadows.
I converted the equi to cubefaces and retouched the one with the seam - worked perfectly.

But of course the best way is to strictly avoid darkening/lighting at the borders after (!) rendering. Always keep a distance from the borders of the image.
To do equalization in color or brightness use CC in the stich-editor and not afterwards.

I always work on the rendered images - therefore i know the issue in your picture very well . . cool


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#11 2011-02-22 20:31:02

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

zbigi wrote:

But Im 100% sure, the reason is malfunction of the new blender, not on my side.

I doubt here very much - otherwise other users would report the same issue. Believe me: some of us look at the results very critical . . tonguecool

best, Klaus


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#12 2011-02-22 20:51:30

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

Klaus!

In one place You wrote

klausesser wrote:

I always work on the rendered images - therefore i know the issue in your picture very well . .

Few minutes after:

klausesser wrote:

I doubt here very much - otherwise other users would report the same issue...

Perhaps my not sufficient lauguage knowledges are the reason, that I am not sure are You met the defect in working of blender or not.

As I have written: the blender of Autopano 2.0.9 (Smaltblend) did not puting out the pictures wit such unequvalence of tones on the left and right edge.

I You have ageed with that error, OK.
But in my oppinion the error is existing in new version of Autopano (containing ne blender) and did not exist in older version (containing Smartblend).

Thank You for Your interest. Best regards!


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#13 2011-02-24 10:37:49

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

I confirm the same bug on MacBookPro. Doesn't matter the dimensions of the équi.
As you can see, the colors doesn't match...


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#14 2011-02-24 10:49:35

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

The dimension matter in fact. Do the rendering with a 8000 pixels width and it won't happen. We have found patch and it will be available in v2.5.1.

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#15 2011-02-24 11:23:24

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

In fact! As I couldn't ask for 8000px (100% is at 7504px), I put 4096px that is equivalent of 2^12. And everything is OK.
I hope that your patch will allow to stitch at 100%.
Thanks

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#16 2011-02-25 10:34:03

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

If you round the size at the next multiple of 128, it should work too : 7504 / 128 => 58.625. Then do 58 * 128 = 7424. This value should be okay too.

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#17 2011-02-25 21:46:24

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

Unfortunately, this trick does not work. I had also the issue with a 10000 x 5000 panorama; so, I performed an other rendering with 9884 (82 x 128) instead of 10000, but I got the same result.

The characteristics of the processing were :
- 80 images corresponding to 4 different exposure times (8 x 3 rows; 8 x 3 rows; 8 x 2 upper rows; 8 x 2 upper rows)
- exposure fusion with a multiband level of - 3.

I must say that I have been very impressed (despite this bug and the 7 hours it takes to get the panorama) by the performance of APG. The 80 images were 80 independant handheld shots performed by a camera having no bracketing mode. The stitching is perfect and the panorama after exposure fusion is very nice (except this bad borderline).


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#18 2011-02-25 21:52:54

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

again: take care your image isn´t of different density on both ends. This issue isn´t a bug.

best, Klaus

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#19 2011-02-25 21:59:50

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

To klausesser :

What do you mean by density ? My process is very simple:
- convert raw to tiff
- run APG 2.5
- remove the alpha chanel generated by APG, using Photomatix (just open the tif generated by apg and save it with an other name)
- use fsp viewer (as I always do) to view the generated panorama

At this stage, no image processing has been applied.

Thanks for your explanations


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#20 2011-02-26 11:29:41

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

By density he means that your 1st & last exposure value should be same if they differ then this border line effect comes due to blending the dark & light areas.

This often happens if you take images on auto exposure mode but the bug you describe has been noticed by me too but i didn't spend much time on that as it was a test pano only.

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#21 2011-02-27 09:30:42

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

Thanks

In this circumstance, it appears that  the answer is YES: 24 images @ 1/20 s; 24 images @ 1/80 s, etc...

Even with the definition you give, there is obviously a bug : while different exposures anywhere else in the panorama will be correctly corrected, different exposures at left/right border would not ! Unacceptable.


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#22 2011-02-27 15:26:37

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

hermer-blr wrote:

Even with the definition you give, there is obviously a bug : while different exposures anywhere else in the panorama will be correctly corrected, different exposures at left/right border would not ! Unacceptable.

I did now some dozens of panos using 2.5 - NEVER had this issue even with clear blue skies. I definitely doubt it´s a 2.5 bug.

best, Klaus

Oops! I just realized you´re talking of AP and not APG. Sorry.

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#23 2011-02-27 17:19:58

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

I confirm I am talking about APG 2.5 and not APP. I had noticed this bug in alpha/beta releases of APG and I thought it had been corrected (it was announced as being corrected and the last panos I rendered were OK).

However, it is the first time I ever use the exposure fusion mode and suddenly the issue reappears. But, as mentioned by AlexandreJ, there should be a patch in the next APG 2.5 release to correct it. So I have frozen my files and .Pano until then...

Best regards - J.M.


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#24 2011-12-18 23:42:33

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

There is a new version, i.e. Autopano Giga 2.6 final released (on 15.12.2011).
During the time ad all Beta and RC versions, starting from my first post concerning blending errors on the left and right edges of panorama, observed by the version 2.5 the error is still existing. Also in that final version. it seems to me, that t\Kolor is satisfied because ot that quality. what for me is -  unfortunately - absolutely not acceptable.
Please work on that problem seriously and solve it.


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#25 2011-12-19 14:14:51

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Re: AP 2.5 Not correct stitching together left and right edge of panorama

Hi zbigi.
Be sure of one thing, we did huge improvement in that part.
This case seems to be unrelated to the bug that was posted first in this topic ( which was a bug related to the closure of the panoram ). This line seems for me part of the zenith, right ?
Could you share this example on the ftp ?

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