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Thank god i did this tour for free. I am not happy with it at all. Please feel free to pick and poke at the bad parts of photography and assemblage mes amis.
This is the first PTP and i am struggling in number of areas. I wish I had a friend who was close by to help me out!
I used a sony N50 compact pro + inter-changeable lenses: 16mm+fisheye
http://www.panthrough.com/real_estate/p … d/tour.swf
1. Objects seem to fly past my cheek when they get to the edge of the tour window-Bedroom 3 makes me particularly dizzy. Is this normal? I have played around with the fov a bit to no good result
2. Colours are uneven -especially in one of the door frames in the entry. I tried the dynamic range adjustments but they just blew every light out. Seemed to work well in APT
Questions:
1. I was using the aperture setting and the camera was setting the shutter speed. am i supposed to set the shutter speed too? I use manual focus and set the WB+ISO[img][/img]
2. what should I focus on improving now?
Any advice is welcome... keep it basic i am an amateur photographer and wannabe computer nerd:)
Marianne_ perth_downunder
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Bathroom 1 was only supposed to be a partial pano with 5 photos. ptp has stitched the seam. perhaps i need to veryify the control points here
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Hello Marianne... oh wow.. well, you get what you pay for 
First thing.. you have to setup your npp, it is out..
Second, some will say use full automatic but what I do is leave the wb on auto and then just concentrate on the aputure and shutter speed... you can worry about setting up your wb to manual later when you have other things down pat... If I was you I would set between f7+ and f8 and they play with your shutter from that...
Thirdly... oh why are you using hot shots like that!! oh yuck... you can create beautiful arrows etc as 24bit pngs and use them.. its under 'other' you can even use animated gifs..
Do not get disappointed.. I made my very first Pano about 2 weeks ago... I have experimented and experimented like you would believe..
I have never used the equipment you have but I am certain it can do much better... just look at your nadir point.. get that right and then play with it.. There are some good people on the forum who know heaps and have some great links.. check out past forums.. they are all there...
Klaus, Georg, mediavets and others will probably be online soon .. they are a wealth of info and more than happy to help...
you can check out my first pano's at my web site.. I really really need to make a tour... Stop all this experimenting...
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marianne wrote:
I used a sony N50 compact pro + inter-changeable lenses: 16mm+fisheye
Marianne_ perth_downunder
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What is this camera? - a Google search finds no information about any camera with this model designation.
Did you mean a Sony NEX5 - like this?:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/SonyNex5Nex3/
Last edited by mediavets (2011-02-18 12:22:12)
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me too.. I am confused.. the N50 is a notebook computer.. or did you use the inbuilt cam from that.. LOL..
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Hi Marianne!
1) align your camera/lens/head carefully - use a NPP head. Like NodalNinja and so on.
2) always use manual settings - WB, focus, aperture, time: NO automatics.
3) if it´s bright outside use bracketing and tonemapping.
4) give your links a name - and use ONE kind of linking: fields or arrows or spots . . but only ONE kind for all.
It´s logically irritating not to know where a link will lead to and it´s visually bad looking to use different kinds of link-symbols in one pano.
I suggest to use a good DSLR camera/lens/head combination if you do panos for money.
Using a fine camera/lens/head combination and carefully setting the whole thing saves lots of time - and therefore money - in producing panos, if you´re doing it commercially.
Doing commercial/professional work without using an appropriate equipment leeds to too much work for too few bucks . . 
best, Klaus
Last edited by klausesser (2011-02-18 12:06:14)
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mediavets wrote:
marianne wrote:
I used a sony N50 compact pro + inter-changeable lenses: 16mm+fisheye
Marianne_ perth_downunder
je me arracche mes cheveuxWhat is this camera? - a Google search finds no information about any camera with this model designation.
Did you mena a NEX5?
perhaps one of this one:
http://www.google.at/images?hl=de&q … mp;bih=748
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I think this is the kind of setup?:
http://sonyalphanex.blogspot.com/2010/1 … n-and.html
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marianne wrote:
2. Colours are uneven -especially in one of the door frames in the entry. I tried the dynamic range adjustments but they just blew every light out. Seemed to work well in APT
I've no idea what this means.
APT meaning Autopano Tour? The predecessor to PTP Panotour Pro?
What dynamic range adjustmenst are you referring to? And in what software?
Last edited by mediavets (2011-02-18 12:45:57)
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Judging by the first pano in the tour where one can see the tripod and NN panohead your setup appears not to be correctly set at the NPP.
This may help:
http://www.easypano.com/forum/display_t … picID=4162
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How many shots are you taking and what pattern of shots?
If the Sony NEX5 plus 16mm 'pancake' lens + the fisheye convertor ends up emulating a 15mm FE on a fullframe sensor then the images it produces should be similar to those I get with my Nikkor 10.5mm FE on a DX body and I would shoot one row of 6-around at about -10 degrees pitch and a second row of 6-around at about +50 pitch when shooting domestic interiors.
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mediavets wrote:
How many shots are you taking and what pattern of shots?
If the Sony NEX5 plus 16mm 'pancake' lens + the fisheye convertor ends up emulating a 15mm FE on a fullframe sensor then the images it produces should be similar to those I get with my Nikkor 10.5mm FE on a DX body and I would shoot one row of 6-around at about -10 degrees pitch and a second row of 6-around at about +50 pitch when shooting domestic interiors.
Oops - didn´t see the first Nadir. Seems like she used only 2 shots . . . .
best, Klaus
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Thanks everyone for your feedback. Although I feel overwhelmed, I have important improvements to focus on now.
Yes the camera is a Sony NEX5. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/SonyNex5Nex3/ After being a non working mum for 4 years I am working with what I already have. I am using Nodal ninja 5 .
I agree the hotspots are awful. Now that you told me other possibilities exist I will experiment!
I am confused about the NPP- i thought I had set it up right... I will have to re-adjust it.
Although I know what bracketing is, i don't not know where the images are merged. Do you use photoshop or another HDR program or can they be merged in APG. I have experimented in PS but my images look a mess!!
I am take 6 round shots, 1 zenith and ...about my nadir... oh dear- I used 6 nadirs with the tripod head at the base of each image... this is the only way that I wouldn't get the ugly tripod head/arm in. i believe that in APG there are possibilities to choose which image is the top layer... i haven't figured out how to do this yet.
Thanks everyone
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marianne wrote:
Although I know what bracketing is, i don't not know where the images are merged. Do you use photoshop or another HDR program or can they be merged in APG. I have experimented in PS but my images look a mess!!
you can do enfuse the images before using the resulting images within APG:
http://software.bergmark.com/enfuseGUI/Main.html (free max/windows...)
or you can take all taken images and import them in one group inside APG 2.5. than you can mark all images and with right mousklick (on windows PS, dont know the key-combination for mac) you can group all images by x (if you took 3 images per position, than 3.....) and as index images than take 1 (0,1,2 is possible with 3 brackets - allways take the middle exposue....) and as preset within APG select HDR output or Exposure Fusion as Blending preset...
Georg
Last edited by gkaefer (2011-02-22 09:07:35)
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Hi Marianne,
Not bad at all for a first tour. You should have seen mine when I started out. Took me about a year to get things to work.
All the errors I made.......and still I am finding things to improve.
The most important things is that your tour gives a good impression of the house. We see a few details but they are still details. Keep improving and you will get there soon.
Reently I found simple trick for the nadir shot.
My normal shots are 2 rows of 6 using a 10 mm lens on a Canon 40D, the same pattern as mediavets indicated.
On the lower row of shots you see nothing of the nodal ninja or the tripod legs.
After the 12 shots are made I slide the tripod about 1 meter in the direction of one leg. I choose the leg depending on how the shadow of the legs is, I don't want any of it on the nadir shot
I then make that leg about 5-10 cm longer so everything tilts over the nadir. I must hold the tripod to prevent from falling over. The shot I then make, delivers a good nadir shot almost everytime, even when using long exposures
good luck,
Hans
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